Second Galactic Empire (Independent Project)

[Admiral Felire]

One of the things that I don't think should happen is the existence of official political parties. There won't be anything like the Democratic or Republican parties in terms of organizations. What there could be is haphazard philosphical blocks based on particular political issues and concerns. Members crisscross into multiple blocks as their interests change.

Things like the COMPNOR-analog is a grass-roots, non government supported, non halls of power organization that tries to influence the way people think. They probably harkon back to the Grand Old Days of the First Galactic Empire for their organization and purpose, though they are not official.

Your points work as philsophical blocks within the greater legislaative apparatus.

[Darth Raptor]

It only makes sense for the Senate to have political parties. Some will be quite large and influential, but none will be able to muster a majority or a relevant opposition on their own. I do expect that they will be numerous and based on relatively narrow ideologies and they will have to form coalitions of convenience to get anything done (or prevent something from being done). According to our own in-house canon (Publius), this is how it was in the First Empire and the Galactic Senate of both Republics. In fact, this is how it is in most modern republics. The two-party system of the United States is exceptional and not even the Palpatinic Empire was a one-party state like modern tyrannies.

[Admiral Felire]

I just don't think that there will be direct political organizations in sense of fully powerful parties. Coalitions of senators are all well and good, but I doubt anything like a galactic-wide political party should exist.

Maybe its that we are saying the same thing, or that I am misreading you. And if so, could you explain it a little more.

By the way, what do you think about the history brief that I created?

[Darth Raptor]

I just don't think that there will be direct political organizations in sense of fully powerful parties. Coalitions of senators are all well and good, but I doubt anything like a galactic-wide political party should exist.

They should and do exist. I think you're interpreting this backwards. All politics are local, but in a society as culturally unified as the Empire there's bound to be a lot of similar ideas on every world. It's only natural for these parties to form interstellar organizations in order to expand their influence. Senators and elected governors are going to be beholden to some party or another, and there will be like-minded representatives from compatible parties in the various regional assemblies all the way up to the Imperial Senate itself. In order to pass (or filibuster) legislation, you'll need a majority, and Senators are going to want to vote as a bloc. Senators that are ideological matches for each other are going to form parties, and parties with more or less compatible platforms are going to form coalitions in order to strengthen their position relative to their opponents. The individual platforms are going to be either really broad and vague (thus with common appeal throughout the galaxy) or extremely narrow, almost single-issue and thus allied with one of the larger parties.

You're right however in that it's the coalitions of parties and independent Senators that wield real influence. IIRC, the New Order Coalition pretty much ran the show in the early Imperial Senate, whereas the New Order Party was really small and extremist. In the New Republic, the Rationalist Party could "split the Senate in half". That doesn't mean that over half of the Senators were Rationalists, but rather that the Rationalist Party led a majority coalition. In that case, the Rationalist Party WAS an interstellar political party. There would be a "Rationalist Party of Corellia", etc.

around a thousand post current - Due to galactic crisis xyz the Galactic Senate gives imperium to one of its Senators, who uses that power to recreate the Galactic Empire. This Senator is also a fully trained Light Side Jedi. This happened after a period of resurgent love of the Palpatine Era (kinda like how we honor the Romans, despite them being quite barbaric).

My idea is for the Second Empire to be the direct constitutional descendant of the Pellaeon Remnant, which was incorporated into the New Republic/Galactic Alliance/Whatever at the end of the NJO Crisis. It can be rapid or gradual, but the gist of it is that the Empire, while a full, enfranchised member of the Republic, was allowed to maintain a lot of autonomy. To the best of their ability, they maintained the political, military and aesthetic traditions of the Palpatinic Empire. During Crisis XYZ, (most of) the Republic collapsed, and essentially the faction left holding the cards was the Imperial Remnant, so they swept back in, reestablished the Galactic Empire, solved Crisis XYZ and there was much rejoicing. Given what we know about the structure of the Pellaeon Remnant, the first Emperor (who can still be a Jedi or some kind of light-sider) would probably be a Moff or a military dicator ala Thrawn. Not a Senator, because the Senate is indefinitely recessed during Crisis XYZ.

The beauty of this is that history does NOT come full circle like it does in the canon Legacy timeline. Not really. The Second Empire didn't renege on the Alliance. A dark pall of tyranny and oppression did not return to undue everything Luke Skywalker and his friends accomplished. The Second Empire is actually the legitimate successor-state to BOTH the Republic AND the Empire. Therefore Republican and Imperialist loyalists alike can collaborate with a clean conscience.

Also, let's keep the precise timeline vague. A lot of this will depend on what the galaxy looks like after the NJO, which we haven't figured out yet. I'll address the "what", but not the "when".

The first Emperor of the Second Empire realizes that he has only a few years left to live so he voluntarily sets down from the Throne. He has it so his son, also a Jedi, becomes the Emperor. The Writ of Succession is created detailing the laws and practices of making a person an Emperor.

Ideally, the succession thing would be worked out before the gun barrels cool. The lack of provisions for succession or even emergency regency was the critical flaw in the first Empire which ultimately led to its demise (a "flaw" so far as the State itself was concerned, it was actually deliberate).

I have no problem with a hereditary monarchy however. It fits the mind-bogglingly elitist setting like a glove.

The succession rules are followed to the letter for all these years. Some problems development but most enjoy the fact that the empire exists and most nobles work for its betterment (and their own, but their own is based on the empire's survival).

Agreed.

the Emperor is getting old but before he can name his successor from amongst his two sons he dies under mysterious circumstances. Before one of the sons can get back to Coruscant the other son manages to force his claim to the Throne. Through the use of force, gile and other political nonsense he is declared the Emperor.

Are they twins? I intended to have a similar succession crisis between Jaina and Jacen Solo in my Jedi Empire fic. It's kind of dependent on nobody knowing who's the eldest. Otherwise, it could definitely be interesting.

What nobody knows is that the man who is actually the Emperor does not really rule. The actual powerhouse behind the puppet ruler is a coterie of Imperial Officers and Sith. They begin turning the various Imperial agencies from their pretty well-to-do state and into that of corruption. A purge happens against those Imperial Knights that refuse to follow the new Emperor.

This is pretty well in keeping with George Lucas' original concept of the Empire, and with Galvatron and IP's ideas.

The Sith have been relegated to the shadows since the death of Darth Sidious, but from those shadows have amassed a great deal of clandestine power. Together with the most ambitious and corrupt members of the Imperial State they make a Faustian offer to the morally inferior prince... You can imagine the rest.

Deep in the Outer Rim, the other son is not sure that anything is wrong at first. But as time goes on he realizes that all is not as it seems. Thus begins the adventures to try and gather support, defeat the forces of the Empire (under his brother's control) and bring back the glory that was his government. But he knows that he needs to be careful because he doesn't want to shatter the Empire, he wants it to survive.

High adventure ensues. The War of the Two Emperors. Maybe one twin was born with Force abilities and became a Jedi, while the other was not and was groomed for succession- only upon his coronation, it becomes clear (to the Jedi and "good" Imperial Knights) that he's sold out the Empire for greater power. The Emperor is powerful, but without the help of his evil "benefactors", he can never become a Palpatine. Thus, he sells his soul (figuratively). Sound good?

[Illuminatus Primus]

I think the best origin for the second Empire is the Republic is collapsing and the monarch or leader of the constitutional descendant of the Pelleaonist empire is acclaimed Galactic Emperor by the Galactic Senate. I highly recommend reading Duchess' De Imperatoribus Galacticis for at least inspiration. But I particularly like how Sule becomes Emperor of the Republic, and actually is a dual monarch of sorts. He rules a constitutional principate over the Republic and an authoritarian monarchy over the Empire proper as his demesne. In other words, something like the DH Legacy "Imperial Mission" and such provides support for weak worlds and affiliates and allied powers to the Empire (a member of the Republic) and organizes a League of Monarchies (with a Monarchist Party in the Senate) or something. The Republic suffers a major crisis, and the Imperial Senator successfully gets the Emperor of the Empire elected as Supreme Chancellor or Chief of State or whatever (or the Emperor of the Empire actually serves as Senator through some legal mechanism sort of like Amidala assuming Palaptine's chair in TPM). More crisis and reform later, and he manages to get acclaimed as emperor. The Republic is reformed into a constitutional principate, and the Empire itself absorbs the League of Monarchies and Imperial Mission affiliates and worlds as an authoritarian monarchy.

[Admiral Felire]

Darth Raptor

While I don't know how its done in the Second Republic, in the First Republic a lot of senators were appointed by the sector governments, not directly elected. Palpatine, for example, was choosen by the throne of Naboo which means that he was responsible to them and not to any general political party. Its probably the same for most sectors. I doubt the Corellian Senator is elected, or the Kaut Senator or the Alderranean Senator (if it still existed). They were probably appointed by their home governments.

Thus bypassing the nature of polticial parties.

But I don't have a problem with the idea that even the largest Party is small its coalitions that allow them to act. And that its the coalititons that make policy.

But I do think that both parties and coalitions are more adhoc groups rather than permanently existing official parties, in most cases. There are always exceptions.

I figure that while the bascis of succession probably existed already because the Emperors were the Pellaeon Empire Emperors, the stepping down and the giving power to the heir was done to make the succession in the new galactic state smooth and easy. And comfortable and efficent to the galaxy at large. It probably was as much a show of politics as it was law.

I like the idea that they were twins. I think it is kinda cool if both sons were the same age.

Your point about hte Sith, the delegation of powers and the use of the inferior prince, makes sense and I like.

I like the idea of this timeframe being called the War of the Two Emperors, its got a nice ring to it. And it is a far cry from the Galactic Civil War that occured during the main plot of the origional trilogy.

I think that they should be both Force Sensitive but I think that the 'bad' son should have been quite low in the Force. Not capable of doing much or showing that great promise. The other son, the 'good' son was a prodigy when it came to the Force. Understanding it and mastering it quite rapidly (in a way, not like chosen one level, but hugly). This bred problems between the two brothers so while the 'good' brother was off at the Rim saving the galaxy or going on adventures or whatever the 'bad' brother made a deal with the devil, had his aging father killed and then forced the throne onto himself.

I like the idea.

Also, let's keep the precise timeline vague. A lot of this will depend on what the galaxy looks like after the NJO, which we haven't figured out yet. I'll address the "what", but not the "when".

I agree and disagree with the vague timeline. I completely agree that we shouldn't state exactly when this takes place compared to the current part of the universe. Which is why I say something like "a thousand years from now" But I think that once the Republic becoems the Second Empire that the dates should be firmed up. To make it sumple for us we could just use a new calendar dating system, with 0 being when the Empire came again. Some negatives before it will exist refering to the immediate pre-Empire period. But again, none of that will reference the exact amount of time between the 'current' day and the Skywalker-Palpatine era.

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Imperial History

The ideas of both Darth Raptor and Primus are pretty similar to each other, make sense, and I think work. They are different enough from current history that they are not rehashing of the same thing, but at the same time they present the same possibilities.

I very much support the idea that the nucleus of the Second Empire would be the Pellaeon Empire. I also agree with their establishment of the Imperial Mission and other such assistance and development agencies. It would be interesting to see that as the crisis started the Imperial forces were the only ones relatively untouched due to the nature of their system.

I also like the idea that as a means of representing the Empire, the Emperor of the Empire serves as a Senator. I think that would be a nice touch. I mean he probably would delegate most of his day-to-day senatorial duties to a registered second (like Amidala did to Jar-Jar in canon) but he is the Senator. Giving him certain duties, responsibilites and powers in the legislative apparatus of the Republican state.

I really like the idea that nobody can say that the Empire broke the treaty or the alliance. That at no point in time did they renegade on their promise. The fact that nobody could say that means that both Repblican and Imperialist factions would support the new government with no mental problems. So yeah, Darth Raptor, I completely agree on this issue.

[Illuminatus Primus]

The senator's means of selection is unclear. However, the soveriegn entities of the Union are not the sectors. They are the member states themselves (of which there are about 1 million). They appoint 1 million senators. Only a thousand or so of them actually conduct business on a frequent basis. This was solved by Publius' innovation that the 1-million-senators elect a presidium of a thousand to represent their interests. Therefore, Palpatine is a "senior Senator." He's appointed by the Kingdom of Naboo but he must enjoy the support and confidence of enough junior senators in order to remain in the presidium. His support is the other 35 member worlds of the Chommell Sector. He's the Senator for the Kingdom of Naboo, and the Senior Senator for the Kingdom of Naboo and the Chommell Sector. Other Senators represent whole regions. I think its totally unrealistic that there'd be no political parties if both Republics and the Empire had them in spades. I vote that proposal down.

I don't think the Emperor of "Pelleaonia" (for lack of a decided formal name, just a place holder) will need to be elected Senator. In the SW system, the Senate seems to be as a basic legal level, nothing but the common will of the sovereign states of the galaxy. Therefore a state ruled by a monarch sovereign in his own right should be able to represent his state to the Union at will; his Senator is nothing but his representative to the Union anyway.

The New Order Party is never described in detail, Raptor. However, going by in-house canon, the Group of the Interstellar Renewal Union and Neo-Democrats (IRU-ND) is the formal coalition of which the New Order Party is the majority member (and the largest single party in the Senate). Both the IRU and the NOP have their own secretariats. The NOP is the political/electoral arm of the pan-social/societal COMPNOR apparatus (the NOP is the fraction of the movement which actually campaigns and participates electorally in the political process, COMPNOR is an Ersatzstaat which occupies every other aspect of associational and official life). The IRU-ND's predecessor in the Republic was the Group of the Core Worlds' Peoples' Party and the Neo-Democrats (CWPP-ND).

[Admiral Felire]

Fine, there are political parties. But they better be in the order of hundreds and not a dozen or a few score. They need to be huge things but at the same time do not individually have that much power.

And yeah, the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of sectors and only a thousand or so senators causes a problem. But not one that isn't insurmountable if we use various sources. Though I do think that the Second Republic would have to find a way to provide more balance then the First Republic in terms of senatorial representation.

And that is fine that the Emperor isn't the senator but that he can choose to speak for it any time he wants. By the way, does this mean that if the Empire has a hundred sectors that they could technically have a hundeed votes if they choose, or must they unite to form one senator that oversees the interests of the entire Empire - and is appointed by the Emperor.

[Darth Raptor]

Ah, gotcha.

Felire, I mean let's not do a timeline until the NJO is worked out, because this will all depend on what the galaxy looks like at the end of that. Once that's done, we can plot it out down to the day if we want.

The Remnant would be represented by multiple Senators, as it consists of multiple sectors and a few relatively influential worlds. Bastion, Yaga Minor and Muunilinst are nothing to sneeze at; the latter alone would warrant the Empire a non-trivial amount of influence in the Galactic Senate. The Emperor should be running the Empire, and when the Senators from the Empire are left with a supermajority by default, they make the intuitive move.

[Illuminatus Primus]

I'm thinking that Pelleaonia should maybe be an associated state, but not a member in of itself. Something like the Centrality or Senex Sector. The Republic is just on the brink of collapse and Pelleaonia has steadily been gaining members from the Republic and a combination of Pelleaonian-affiliated monarchists and opportunists succeed in proposing a constitutional amendment, and the desperate Republic ratifies it, naming as their Emperor the Emperor of Pelleaonia. Shortly thereafter, many of the most pro-Pelleaonian monarchies and Imperial Mission affiliates or observing members leave the Republic for Pelleaonia. So at the top would be the Emperor, who rules both an Empire which is mostly authoritarian with a more consultative legislature, less federalism and more unitarianism, and such and on the other hand rule as a relatively limited (but still participatory) constitutional monarch in the Republic-come-Empire. The Pelleaonia would be something like 5-10% of the size of the Republic-come-Empire in this scheme. Basically he'd get to rule the old Empire directly with a strong hand, but have to contend with the Senate and Republican institutions more in the rest of the galaxy. Basically, this is more of a rise of the Bismarckian Empire scheme than retreading the PT and OT (the Pelleaonian old Empire is the Prussia to the Republic' Reich).

[Admiral Felire]

I'm all for leaving most of the timeline broad and completly non-specific. But I don't see how fleshing out the timeline of the Second Era era (and the very tippy end of the Second Republic era) actually effects what we are doing in the NJO thread. But, of course, if it does we will try to modify things on either end to make it work as one.

But I like basics and figuring out how the change works and all that. Its fun for me actually.

I like the idea that the Empire has multiple senators but that they all technically speak for the Emperor (and they do, they are probably appointed by him as well).

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I like the idea of an associated state, though I think they should have a Senator and a vote as such. Actually, that is why I always framed it as them being an allied member state. They are not fully subsumed but they are a part of it nontheless.

While I don't have a problem with your inital setup, I do think that once he becomes Emperor he should become Emperor of a galaxy spanning empire in its entirety. I don't think there should be a divsion between the Pellenon Empire area and the Republic Empire area.

Though, I don't oppose the idea of making it so that when the events that occur that see the Empire falling to a Sith pawn that the other brother finds himself shackled with plaents that decided that they are serving him rather than the other brother. They declare that the Throne was not legally approved because Right xx was not observed. Thus, its not a campaign of an empire versus a small planet-less force but between two brothers (though one is controlled by forces he barely understands) and the forces that flocked to their banner.

But I don't think that there should be an Imperial Empire and a Republic Empire.

[Darth Raptor]

Pell. Aeon.

I know, it's a bitch to spell and it wasn't until I discovered that mnemonic that I started spelling it correctly. Don't feel bad, IP. At least you're consistent, if consistently wrong. I was all over the place until I realized it was actually two words.

Basically, this is more of a rise of the Bismarckian Empire scheme than retreading the PT and OT (the Pelleaonian old Empire is the Prussia to the Republic' Reich).

Sounds good. As long as the Second Empire is the constitutional successor to both the New Republic and the Imperial Remnant. As you said, avoiding a straight-up rehash of the PT and OT is important. Also, it gives off nice Rome-Byzantium vibes.

Felire, it wouldn't be two empires until your succession crisis. It would be more like the British Empire with "Pellaeonia" as Great Britain and the rest of the galaxy as the colonies. It will have tighter control in those old, "home" sectors, but it will still control everything.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Actually, it'd be more like the "Imperial" and "Senatorial" provinces of the Augustan Empire (with the "Imperial" provinces in this system being in the definite territorial minority). He'll have seperate administrations for each, with the Empire basically being his private kingdom and him having the administrate the all-galaxy Republic level with more respect for the Senate and traditional ruling class. There's just the Empire, with most of it much more like the Republic and constitutional (what Palpatine's goons probably promised a lot of fence-sitting Republicans), and a part which is composed of the old Pelleaon state and later annexations which he has a free-er hand in, and much stronger, like a personal fiefdom.

[Admiral Felire]

I don't like the idea of splitting the galaxy into the Senatorial provinces and the Imperial provinces. I think that there is no reason for such a thing, that having a central Imperial administration govern all of the galaxy as a single unit is enough.

The Imperial Structure on top of the Pellaeon Empire would serve as addon on top of the former Republic administration.

I don't think there should be two units. I don't think we get anything from it that we wouldn't be able to have with just the singular structure.

At the same time, I don't have a problem with their being a split the moment that the War of Two Emperors occur. That some sectors join visibly and outwardly with the Jedi Emperor while the others join with the Core Emperor.

But I also don't have a problem with the idea that some secotrs are treated with kinder gloves than others. This makes sense when one considers the nature of the galaxy and its power blocks.

I also have to support Darth Raptor when he says that the Second Empire must be the constitutional successor to both the First Empire and the Second Republic.

[Illuminatus Primus]

There already is a kind of division in the political estates. The Galactic Republic consists of the Republic Authority, and two catagories of other political components it oversees: both the Member States (with the consent of the Senate) and the non-enfranchised territories. The The Galactic Empire consists of the Imperial State, and two categories of other political components it oversees: both the Dominions (with the consent of the Senate) and His Imperial Majesty's Other Territories. All I'm saying is that the Emperor in this system would retain control of his previous territories with their own prerogatives and relationship to him worked out before he became Galactic Emperor as well. Basically, he rules them as Emperor of Pellaeonia or whatever, directly, without having to respond to the Senate.

[Admiral Felire]

As a note for any newcomers, Primus is using Pellaeonia as a catch-all term until an actual term becomes fully supported. Its the same with my use of Pellaeon's Empire.

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But that sort of division, if it exists, is a normally unseen one. What I am not saying is that what I read from your previous posts was that the division seems to actually be 'real' in that there are some territories that are Imperial and others that are Republican.

If we use your idea then its one gigantic territory, just some of it is owned by the Emperor directly while others are operated by the Senate in the name and authority of the Emperor.

I very much see no reason for this division to have much impact or special mention. In the normal state of affairs, as well as trade and travel, such political divisons have no effect.

[Pelranius]

As another suggestion, perhaps we could also have Neo Imperial factions which are opposed to the Pellaeonists?

There could be a faction in the Deep Core or the Senex Sector favoring the New Order ideology, and another one in the Core with support from the aristocrats and established pre New order interests.

It would make the development of the ideological underpinnings of the Second Empire to be more interesting, and could provide an opening for Sith control.

[Admiral Felire]

While I don't have a problem, and generally agree on the concept of multiple facets of its formation as well as political thoight, I don't think that anything related to the Sith should be at the core of the Second Empire.

I think its foundation should be pure and only centuries later does the corruption set in.

But yeah, Pellaeon Imperials, Neo-Palpatinists, Imperial Aristocrats, Democratic Imperials (go figure what they want, but it would be an interesting politcial idelogy) and on and on should all exist and compete for poltiical power and representation.

[Darth Raptor]

If this is one or two thousand years after the "present day", should there be any technological advances of note? I understand that advances in science and engineering have more or less plateaued, but what kind of extrapolations can we draw from existing tech? What kind of derivative refinements would be reasonable? I don't mean stuff like transporters or working time machines or any more handwavium than Star Wars already has. But maybe things that were bleeding edge have been perfected and are commonplace now. Those that were rare because the working principles were esoteric, not because the components were hard to come by. Like maybe cloaking devices and human replica droids.

We should also show how the older stuff is decidedly NOT obsolete. I fully expect some of the capital ships we're familiar with to still be in use, with only minor aesthetic or internal differences (maybe bridge towers went out of style or something). They shouldn't laugh at an Executor because it's two thousand years old, and modern ships shouldn't be able to brush it aside like an Iowa versus an ironclad.

[Admiral Felire]

I want to post on your second point before I post on your first. I completely and totally agree that things like Executor classes or stand up Imperial Star Destroyers should not be laughed at or ignored. In fact using and honoring ships a thousand years old wold probably be very much in line with our thought that they remember the past and respect and love it. Well, their view of the past. So yeah, I think standard classes as well as new classes that build on the standard classes should exist.

As to you first point, I think that very few new technological innovations should be there. I think that the look and appearance and aesthetics of some areas in the society of the Second Empire should be chalted and made new, but I don't think they should have that many new technologies. Though, they might have some new toys they gathered from the Yuuzhan Vong.

Though I don't object to some new things, or modified things, being introduced. If it fits the story and the concepts we are working with then they should be includied. Technological stasis does not mean lack of innovation or modifications.

But because the Second Empire is a revivalist movement to try and restore the honors and glory fo the First Empire, I think we should emphasis how similiar uniforms, ships and other such things are to the Imperial technologies of the movies. While new models of star destroyers should exist, I think many of them would have a very similar appearance to the current ones.

[Illuminatus Primus]

If this is one or two thousand years after the "present day", should there be any technological advances of note? I understand that advances in science and engineering have more or less plateaued, but what kind of extrapolations can we draw from existing tech? What kind of derivative refinements would be reasonable? I don't mean stuff like transporters or working time machines or any more handwavium than Star Wars already has. But maybe things that were bleeding edge have been perfected and are commonplace now. Those that were rare because the working principles were esoteric, not because the components were hard to come by. Like maybe cloaking devices and human replica droids.

I think that cloaking devices are just hard-to-come-by tech which has real limited access. Its not nanotechnology to us, its uranium enrichment. Thrawn's luck was finding working models, schematics, and tooling in Tantiss, saving him the trouble of pouring credits and industrial infrastructure and intellectual capital into a bit application. I agree with Saxton. Except for genuine freak cases of uber-genius engineers who literally think of something no one ever thought of, everything is simply changing fashions, culture, preferences, and climate. I do think we should portray a transition consistent with that, definitely. Mix it up a bit.

We should also show how the older stuff is decidedly NOT obsolete. I fully expect some of the capital ships we're familiar with to still be in use, with only minor aesthetic or internal differences (maybe bridge towers went out of style or something). They shouldn't laugh at an Executor because it's two thousand years old, and modern ships shouldn't be able to brush it aside like an Iowa versus an ironclad.

Whole-heartedly agree.

[Admiral Felire]

On the issue of using old and ancient starships, what do people think about using the Chimera as the capital command ship of the good Imperial Jedi son.

To the people of the Empire the Chimera was the honored command ship of the leader of Pellaeon Empire and it could be one of the few surviving upper class ships of that period of time.

[Darth Raptor]

One of the things that bugged me about Legacy was how everyone was using all new weapons, fighters and capital ships and that was what, only a hundred and fifty years after Endor?

Except for genuine freak cases of uber-genius engineers who literally think of something no one ever thought of, everything is simply changing fashions, culture, preferences, and climate. I do think we should portray a transition consistent with that, definitely. Mix it up a bit.

I had an idea to make civilization more civilized. Cyborgs and first degree droids have been emancipated. Piracy, slavery and smuggling are (mostly) a thing of the past. Wealth redistribution by the Republic has brought a greater standard of living to the Rim, etc. Basically, they would look on the "now" as we look on the Middle Ages; a dark period of violence, barbarism and ignorance. They'd draw no distinction between the Palpatinic Empire and its contemporaries, just as we today don't find Rome all that atrocious given the times. Less apologetics and more whitewashing. Then, when everything goes to shit, reminiscent of those dark times in the popular psyche, they clamor for the appropriate response.

I'm not married to this idea, just throwing it out there.

[Admiral Felire]

One of the things that bugged me about Legacy was how everyone was using all new weapons, fighters and capital ships and that was what, only a hundred and fifty years after Endor?

That is because most authors don't realize that very few things change. They forget that the society has existed for 25,000 years without that much change. A few centuries is meaningless.

That said, I personally don't have a problem with a new Ship Class. While they won't be radically new technologies, they would have incremental advances and new design thoughts - such as more hull armor or no longer command towers. This would allow for such things as the Pellaeon Star Destroyer or new TIE fighter designs.

As to you second point, its interesting and quite possible. I have to think about it.

But I do agree with the general concept that I think the Outer Rim of the Second Empire should not be as forgotten or barbaric as the Outer Rim of the Palpatine Era.

[Illuminatus Primus]

One of the things that bugged me about Legacy was how everyone was using all new weapons, fighters and capital ships and that was what, only a hundred and fifty years after Endor?

Except for genuine freak cases of uber-genius engineers who literally think of something no one ever thought of, everything is simply changing fashions, culture, preferences, and climate. I do think we should portray a transition consistent with that, definitely. Mix it up a bit.

I had an idea to make civilization more civilized. Cyborgs and first degree droids have been emancipated. Piracy, slavery and smuggling are (mostly) a thing of the past. Wealth redistribution by the Republic has brought a greater standard of living to the Rim, etc. Basically, they would look on the "now" as we look on the Middle Ages; a dark period of violence, barbarism and ignorance. They'd draw no distinction between the Palpatinic Empire and its contemporaries, just as we today don't find Rome all that atrocious given the times. Less apologetics and more whitewashing. Then, when everything goes to shit, reminiscent of those dark times in the popular psyche, they clamor for the appropriate response.

I'm not married to this idea, just throwing it out there.

I disagree. You don't stick with a single regime and body politic for that long unless the "societal" trends we're talking about have long ended. Besides, who says non-memory-wiped droids and borgs are unemancipated in our Fic? Basically what I'm saying is look how radically political and social organization has changed since the Middle Ages, and think of what I mean when I say you wouldn't have a galactic union and a capital on Coruscant anymore. Not to mention it begs the question of what people were thinking the previous 25k years. SW is about a Great Man concept of history, and discards these kind of Marxian historical trends. I follow the Saxtonian concept of the "big picture" view of SW culture and civilization. There are oscillations about a general mean which doesn't move; the further off norm history goes, the greater the "pressure" exerted long-sorted out equilibrium back to the middle. But I am definitely willing to see how a concept of "societal fashion" and "cyclical transitions" affects SW. Maybe the galaxy of SW 2000 years after Palpatine is something like it was 5000 years before, with a touch of 2000 years after the Union.