Lucas has no interest in SW after events of ROTJ

[Revy]

I know I'm probably being stupid for not seeing this, but can someone explain what was wrong with the PT era Jedi?

[VT-16]

We saw too little of them and they came off as boring?

[Tiriol]

I know I'm probably being stupid for not seeing this, but can someone explain what was wrong with the PT era Jedi?

They were a rigid organization, fascinated with orthodoxy and frowning upon almost any deviation from the norm (even clothing divergent from the norm was apparently avoided). They had decided that training young ones from infancy was the way to go so that they could avoid the dangers of the dark side, but apparently if someone had gained a couple of years under one's belt, it was too old to be properly trained (and thus possibly opening them to other forms of temptation) and discarded those younglings who were not chosen by Jedi Knights and Masters for apprenticeship. They downright looked down upon other Force traditions and had become arrogant and couldn't imagine that they wouldn't be justified in whatever they were doing (something that Master Yoda remarked upon in AotC). There are more faults, but those are the ones that stick out of the rest, at least for me.

[Imperial Overlord]

Don't forget the Death Star sized blind spots. "Count Dooku is a political idealist. He was a member of our order. Assassination is simply not in his character."

[ExarKun]

Interestingly, Lucas defines "his" part of the story by the period in which events take place, rather than the format in use (unlike the situation with Star Trek, where one format is canon and the other one isn't). It's pretty clear he doesn't intend to restrict "his" core part of the story to just the 6 filmed live-action movies.

This seems like a retcon since I watched a CNN interview where he said that 6 films is all that there will be and he doesn't want it to turn into some kind of Star Trek where there are new things coming out every few years.

The lure of the money seems to be too much for the old man

[Oskuro]

^ Or the lure of "I'm bored and I can't really write about anything else"

[Havok]

I know I'm probably being stupid for not seeing this, but can someone explain what was wrong with the PT era Jedi?

Triol has a good explanation, but I think the one that works best and is easiest to explain, is that we were expecting Jedi KNIGHTS and what we got was Jedi MONKS.

[TK-984]

I know I'm probably being stupid for not seeing this, but can someone explain what was wrong with the PT era Jedi?

They weren't the Shaolin Monk / Samurai / John Wayne hybrids I was expecting.

When I was a kid, I had always thought they were a rare and decentralized group who wandered the galaxy seeding help along the way (like the hero of a Western). There would be several kinds of Jedi and Jedi sects. Maybe there was a sect which used unarmed combat, or one which used exclusively force powers.

The PT gave us something utterly monolithic and boring.

^ Or the lure of "I'm bored and I can't really write about anything else"

Yeah, didn't he say he was going to go into making "personal films" after RoTS? Where the fuck is that shit?

[FuncoWilkerbean]

Wait, so does this mean that he doesn't give a shit about the timeline prior to the movies?

[Havok]

Yeah, didn't he say he was going to go into making "personal films" after RoTS? Where the fuck is that shit?

I believe he is in post production on a movie about the Tuskegee Airmen.

[Elfdart]

I know I'm probably being stupid for not seeing this, but can someone explain what was wrong with the PT era Jedi?

Triol has a good explanation, but I think the one that works best and is easiest to explain, is that we were expecting Jedi KNIGHTS and what we got was Jedi MONKS.

Isn't that your problem?

Besides, real-life Templar Knights were monks.

[Havok]

I know I'm probably being stupid for not seeing this, but can someone explain what was wrong with the PT era Jedi?

Triol has a good explanation, but I think the one that works best and is easiest to explain, is that we were expecting Jedi KNIGHTS and what we got was Jedi MONKS.

Isn't that your problem?

No. I liked the PT Jedi. That is a general answer to the question that I have had for a while and have heard a few times. I should have used "people" instead of "we".

Besides, real-life Templar Knights were monks.

Even if the Templars were monks, that is one group of knights and hardly the commonly thought of idea of a Knight and certainly not the common idea of a monk.

[Darth Hoth]

I know I'm probably being stupid for not seeing this, but can someone explain what was wrong with the PT era Jedi?

They were a rigid organization, fascinated with orthodoxy and frowning upon almost any deviation from the norm (even clothing divergent from the norm was apparently avoided). They had decided that training young ones from infancy was the way to go so that they could avoid the dangers of the dark side, but apparently if someone had gained a couple of years under one's belt, it was too old to be properly trained (and thus possibly opening them to other forms of temptation) and discarded those younglings who were not chosen by Jedi Knights and Masters for apprenticeship. They downright looked down upon other Force traditions and had become arrogant and couldn't imagine that they wouldn't be justified in whatever they were doing (something that Master Yoda remarked upon in AotC). There are more faults, but those are the ones that stick out of the rest, at least for me.

This is much of what eats at me in general with their portrayal. I would add a few things, such as war crimes, e.g. use of underaged combatants.

[Darth Hoth]

Yeah sorry, but if Lucas wants to control his own creation and changed the licensed products as he sees fit, no matter the reason, he isn't fucking anything up, everyone else has to fall in line with him.

Why does this come up every time this is discussed? I cannot stress enough how he has every right to do whatever he pleases with anything in the franchise, no matter how stupid, tasteless or counterintuitive it might be. Just as Traviss does, only even more so, as she is merely licensed. If he chooses to interfere only erratically, however, or changing things on the fly that were established earlier, that is poor continuity management, and he should expect to have that pointed out.

Actually, Hoth, that's not my point. It makes sense for the order to change from time to time, like you describe it, it's actually interesting to see the norms go back and forth.

Oh, I have no problem with this in principle; it even makes good sense. What irritates me is the sudden and total reversal to "prequelism" in place, what, fifty years after TotJ, with everyone accepting it as normal and thinking that is has always been like that.

[Illuminatus Primus]

I know I'm probably being stupid for not seeing this, but can someone explain what was wrong with the PT era Jedi?

Triol has a good explanation, but I think the one that works best and is easiest to explain, is that we were expecting Jedi KNIGHTS and what we got was Jedi MONKS.

Isn't that your problem?

Besides, real-life Templar Knights were monks.

Yeah, that totally justifies making the heroes a bunch of assholes who clearly deserve what's coming to them (and not making the movie self-aware of this fact, therefore implicitly supporting their dysfunction). And of course, none of that changes the fact that having Obi-Wan's hermit robes be the Jedi uniform (which Obi-Wan insisted on still wearing while hiding from extermination!) is fucking stupid.

[VT-16]

Actually, given the increased (retconned) impact of the Sith War, and the presumed revelation of the tightly-knit Jedi Covenant a few years prior to the KOTOR games, it makes even more sense why the order would come to shun families forming or close friendships.

Not having played the games, I've only read about them and it seems to make sense.

Also, Obi-Wan's clothes and it being the uniform is apparantly justified in-universe as making it easier to blend in a crowd, since a vast majority of people (outside the Core, presumably) wear that kind of clothing. He certainly didn't look out of place on Tatooine.

[Elfdart]

Yeah, that totally justifies making the heroes a bunch of assholes who clearly deserve what's coming to them (and not making the movie self-aware of this fact, therefore implicitly supporting their dysfunction). And of course, none of that changes the fact that having Obi-Wan's hermit robes be the Jedi uniform (which Obi-Wan insisted on still wearing while hiding from extermination!) is fucking stupid.

I guess the whole Tragic Flaw thing went over your head.

In the OT, Obi-Wan and Yoda were the only Jedi Knights left in the galaxy. Now, if anyone can be a Jedi (rather than just a few thanks to a rare genetic quirk), and the Jedi are allowed to procreate, AND they are alert to every danger, that isn't possible. There would be no point in trying to wipe them out because it couldn't be done. Under those conditions, the enemy would have a hard time making a dent in their numbers.

Ben didn't change into new garb because he didn't need to. His robes blended in just fine with the natives on Tattooine, and he lived like a hermit. The only people who know of Ben Kenobi are Luke, Owen and Beru -none of whom are going to run to the authorities.

[Darth Hoth]

Actually, given the increased (retconned) impact of the Sith War, and the presumed revelation of the tightly-knit Jedi Covenant a few years prior to the KOTOR games, it makes even more sense why the order would come to shun families forming or close friendships.

Not having played the games, I've only read about them and it seems to make sense.

So someone managed to retcon half the pre-KotOR universe and actually make some sense of the Lucas-directed forced changes. Yay hooray for him, then. The problem still should not have been there for arbitrary reasons in the first place. Lucas quiping in here and there in the timeline with his latest "cool" thought is irritating at best to the canon-minded Talifan.

Not having read the KotOR comics, I can only comment on what I have read about them.

[NecronLord]

Besides, real-life Templar Knights were monks.

Even if the Templars were monks, that is one group of knights and hardly the commonly thought of idea of a Knight and certainly not the common idea of a monk.

To be fair, catholic military/hospitaller orders is probably the best of the medieval european knight patterns to follow; though with the Republic, instead of the Pope. They certainly shouldn't be provided in a more fuedalistic way.

Though a more obvious Samurai influence would probably have been fitting.

Of course, if Anakin had been a Hospitaller or a Templar, there'd at least potentially be dispensation for getting married (albeit once, and to a 'maiden').

[DrStrangelove]

Nope if GL actually cared for the EU he wouldnt have let half the crap get published

[TK-984]

Nope if GL actually cared for the EU he wouldnt have let half the crap get published

Maybe the other way around.