Trouble in South Ossetia escalates

Norseman · Post by **Norseman** » 2008-08-08 02:20pm

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:May we see the Russian Army finally put the line down on the pathetic attempts of NATO to encircle, constrict, and destroy what remains of Russia and the Russian people--a decisive war which will shatter once and for all the pathological hatred of the Russian people and Russia spread by such purveyors of hate as Zbigniew Brzezinski and their continuous efforts to destroy all things Russian.

How odd the Norwegians with extreme right-wing views are all enthusiastically supporting Russia in this. Mind you they also want the Russians to invade us, execute the Labour Party government, and kick out the muslims so... Yeah...

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2008-08-08 02:27pm

Wonder if the Chechen separatists will pull something now that Russia is being distracted...

Pelranius · Post by **Pelranius** » 2008-08-08 02:39pm

Most of the Chechens are now in Russia's pocket, since Putin paid for and installed one of the rebel leaders (now the son, senior got killed a while back) as President of Chechnya. He has most of the fighters, and he probably wouldn't do anything since he obviously wants to continue receiving Moscow's petrorubles.

nickolay1 · Post by **nickolay1** » 2008-08-08 02:49pm

As far as I know, most of the actual separatists have been killed by now, with less than a few hundred remaining.

Ubiquitous · Post by **Ubiquitous** » 2008-08-08 03:02pm

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:May we see the Russian Army finally put the line down on the pathetic attempts of NATO to encircle, constrict, and destroy what remains of Russia and the Russian people--a decisive war which will shatter once and for all the pathological hatred of the Russian people and Russia spread by such purveyors of hate as Zbigniew Brzezinski and their continuous efforts to destroy all things Russian.

Yeah, and fuck the Georgian civilians that get in the way, eh? Snap back to reality instead of your pitiful parallel universe that you alone exist in. This has nothing to do with NATO expansionism, and everything to do with yet an other power-play by the Russians in their typical manner: attack a puny foe that will doubtless be pulverised into submission al la the Chechans as a message to the west that 'Russia is powerful' once more. It's a shame that such dick-waving has to result in the destruction of a sovereign nation.

Russia is the playground bully that I always wanted to punch in the nose back at school. Lets hope that the western world marginalises them even more after this latest clusterfuck.

fgalkin2 · Post by **fgalkin2** » 2008-08-08 03:06pm

Ubiquitous wrote:
The Duchess of Zeon wrote:May we see the Russian Army finally put the line down on the pathetic attempts of NATO to encircle, constrict, and destroy what remains of Russia and the Russian people--a decisive war which will shatter once and for all the pathological hatred of the Russian people and Russia spread by such purveyors of hate as Zbigniew Brzezinski and their continuous efforts to destroy all things Russian.
Yeah, and fuck the Georgian civilians that get in the way, eh? Snap back to reality instead of your pitiful parallel universe that you alone exist in. This has nothing to do with NATO expansionism, and everything to do with yet an other power-play by the Russians in their typical manner: attack a puny foe that will doubtless be pulverised into submission al la the Chechans as a message to the west that 'Russia is powerful' once more. It's a shame that such dick-waving has to result in the destruction of a sovereign nation.

Russia is the playground bully that I always wanted to punch in the nose back at school. Lets hope that the western world marginalises them even more after this latest clusterfuck.

What Georgian civillians? What loss of independence? So far, the only civillians who have been killed were the 1400 Russian citizens who have been murdered by mass artillery bombardment.

Russia has not launched a full scale invasion, you grot. So far, the battle is limited to South Ossetia.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-08-08 03:09pm

Ubiquitous wrote:Yeah, and fuck the Georgian civilians that get in the way, eh? Snap back to reality instead of your pitiful parallel universe that you alone exist in. This has nothing to do with NATO expansionism, and everything to do with yet an other power-play by the Russians in their typical manner: attack a puny foe that will doubtless be pulverised into submission al la the Chechans as a message to the west that 'Russia is powerful' once more. It's a shame that such dick-waving has to result in the destruction of a sovereign nation.

Russia is the playground bully that I always wanted to punch in the nose back at school. Lets hope that the western world marginalises them even more after this latest clusterfuck.

I smell Russophobia here. Why, too much propaganda fed into you over the last few years? Or has the fact that many of the people in those separatist regions have Russian passports completely flown past your head, along with the racist policies enacted by the Georgian president aimed squarely at these "rebels". What, the United Kingdom hasn't bullied anyone in history?

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2008-08-08 03:15pm

Ubiquitous wrote:Yeah, and fuck the Georgian civilians that get in the way, eh? Snap back to reality instead of your pitiful parallel universe that you alone exist in. This has nothing to do with NATO expansionism, and everything to do with yet an other power-play by the Russians in their typical manner: attack a puny foe that will doubtless be pulverised into submission al la the Chechans as a message to the west that 'Russia is powerful' once more. It's a shame that such dick-waving has to result in the destruction of a sovereign nation.

Russia is the playground bully that I always wanted to punch in the nose back at school. Lets hope that the western world marginalises them even more after this latest clusterfuck.

Do you suck Georgian dick for breakfast?

The fucking Georgians attacked an independent region first, with massed indescriminate rocket bombardment of civilian targets which has killed 1,400 innocent people, most innocent civilians and almost all with Russian passports and Russian citizen, in one single motherfucking day. And that is Russia's fault--how? Oh, right, it isn't. Go fuck yourself, you cunt.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2008-08-08 03:19pm

Besides, with "recent events", the Western World has absolutely no claim to any righteousness or virtue in this matter - because everyone has already seen that great Spartafreedomerica is no different from any of these animals.

Will there be great international outrage? On one hand, these aren't brown people killing each other, these people are actually white - and old and (possibly) rich. On the other hand, they're Slavs, so what does the West care, right?

Why is there any outrage, anyway? Things like these have happened, has just happened, and will continue to happen. No one should be surprised when this stuff starts happening in their backyard.

Norseman · Post by **Norseman** » 2008-08-08 03:21pm

A greek friend of mine had great fun replacing the references to Georgia with Serbia, and South Ossetia with Kosovo. Funny that innit? It's almost like there's some kind of double standard at work.

Pelranius · Post by **Pelranius** » 2008-08-08 03:25pm

What does one call a double standard practiced by both sides?

fgalkin2 · Post by **fgalkin2** » 2008-08-08 03:26pm

Norseman wrote:A greek friend of mine had great fun replacing the references to Georgia with Serbia, and South Ossetia with Kosovo. Funny that innit? It's almost like there's some kind of double standard at work.

Nah, the forces of Freedom would never do that. Because they're, you know, free.

Right?

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2008-08-08 03:49pm

Nah, the forces of Freedom would never do that. Because they're, you know, free.

Right?

Talking about Russia or the US, there?

I love taking sides and getting jingoistic. Oh, and look, the End Times/NWO freaks are coming out of the cyberwalls again. This time it's really gonna happen, honest!

Kane Starkiller · Post by **Kane Starkiller** » 2008-08-08 05:18pm

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:May we see the Russian Army finally put the line down on the pathetic attempts of NATO to encircle, constrict, and destroy what remains of Russia and the Russian people--a decisive war which will shatter once and for all the pathological hatred of the Russian people and Russia spread by such purveyors of hate as Zbigniew Brzezinski and their continuous efforts to destroy all things Russian.

Gotta love when people on the other side of Atlantic get all trigger happy. Yes that's what we need in Europe, another "decisive" war. War to end all wars!!

Siege · Post by **Siege** » 2008-08-08 05:42pm

I don't agree with the 'oh noes encroachment' sentiment (what, Russia should have a monopoly on military-political influence on Georgia now?), and I do feel that there's an atmosphere of entrapment involved with Russia's prepping up of a separatist movement that was continually poking Georgia until they pretty much had to react...

But on the other hand, NATO probably shouldn't've been so eager to recognize Kosovo as an independent state. Russia warned beforehand that if that precedent was to be set, they'd use it to support the independence movements in South Ossetia and Abkhazia who were making similar moves. And lo, thus it was done.

In that light, Western jabbering about 'territorial integrity' sounds like fraudulent posturing to me: it's 'respect these internationally recognized borders!' when it's a nation we like, but if it's an international pariah (like, oh, Serbia), then 'self-determination' is suddenly the preferred buzzword.

Basically this is Russia acting like dicks, and Georgia falling into the hole dug for it by the West.

Post by **Coyote** » 2008-08-08 05:49pm

Kane Starkiller wrote:Gotta love when people on the other side of Atlantic get all trigger happy. Yes that's what we need in Europe, another "decisive" war. War to end all wars!!

Heehee.... Europe... fighting. A war. *snicker*

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2008-08-08 05:54pm

Coyote wrote:
Kane Starkiller wrote:Gotta love when people on the other side of Atlantic get all trigger happy. Yes that's what we need in Europe, another "decisive" war. War to end all wars!!
Heehee.... Europe... fighting. A war. *snicker*

What's the joke?

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2008-08-08 05:58pm

Bounty wrote:
Coyote wrote:
Kane Starkiller wrote:Gotta love when people on the other side of Atlantic get all trigger happy. Yes that's what we need in Europe, another "decisive" war. War to end all wars!!
Heehee.... Europe... fighting. A war. *snicker*
What's the joke?

The Russian gas supply to Europe guarantees your balls are in a burdizzo over this issue.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2008-08-08 06:05pm

Well, Russia needs the EU just as much, if not more, than we need them. They're just convenient for that gas and counterbalance to the States. Were the EU to actually have a set of cojones, they'd still not bother interfering simply because this is Russia's problem and they can do what they like as with Chechnya. Strangely, most on the continent are sick of war, even to the point of not getting dirty when one can be prevented elsewhere.

And anyway, the Olympics are on. You want to miss all that glitz?

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2008-08-08 06:07pm

The EU hasn't done more than urge both parties to cease fighting at this point, unless something changed while I was out. What else can they do?

Siege · Post by **Siege** » 2008-08-08 06:09pm

Even without Russian gas there's no-one in Europe who'd send troops to frackin' Georgia over this. Outside of the obvious pacifists (Germany), most nations don't have the means to get any noteworthy number of boots on the ground there, and those nations that have the means to get troops there are either busy policing Afghanistan or, oh I don't know, strolling about some hole in Africa the French have taken an interest in for some unfathomable reason. And even if the means were there, why the hell would anyone want to involve themselves in a clusterfuck like this? It's a bunch of Caucasian nations in a shoot-out. Georgian hopefulness notwithstanding, no-one cares enough to get their hands dirty.

nickolay1 · Post by **nickolay1** » 2008-08-08 06:09pm

SiegeTank wrote:Russia's prepping up of a separatist movement that was continually poking Georgia until they pretty much had to react...

Yeah, they had to react by indiscriminately shelling a city and possibly murdering over a thousand civilians.

But no, it's BIG BAD RUSSIA at fault!

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2008-08-08 06:09pm

Sweet fuck all. And why should they even bother with anything? Who, frankly, wants to get into a land war with Russians when all sorts of other problems plague the nations of the world today?

Hey, I hear total war is a great way to make people forget about mortgage repayments and food inflation.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2008-08-08 06:12pm

Who is the Georgian President trying to fool with the EU flag standing by him? Georgia doesn't even have the rank of potential candidate for membership.

Siege · Post by **Siege** » 2008-08-08 06:16pm

nickolay1 wrote:Yeah, they had to react by indiscriminately shelling a city and possibly murdering over a thousand civilians.

But no, it's BIG BAD RUSSIA at fault!

Who the fuck is saying Russia's at fault? Are you a fucking ass? I said Georgia was pretty much forced to react, not that they had a right to shell the fuck out of Tskhinvali, you incomparable twit. Russia's proxies poked Georgia, Georgia lashed out in an extremely stupid and destructive fashion, thus giving Russia exactly what it wanted: a legitimate reason to pound the fuck out of Georgia and establish de-facto control over South Ossetia. That's it. Now take your strawman and kindly shove it up your ass.