Non Space Marine Chaos Forces

[Zor]

This is something i was wondering about but could not find much information about.

As we all know, during the Horus Heresy it was not just space marines that betrayed the Emperor, but a bunch of other guys including Techpriests and Guardsmen. As such, the CSMs are going to make up a rather tiny minority of the Human Chaos Forces, but never-the-less, i see very little on Chaos Guard Forces. I see a few Slim references here and there, but never that much. Can i get some information on Non Space Marine human Chaos Forces?

Zor

[Peptuck]

Gaunt's Ghosts is replete with them. The Sabbat Worlds Crusade guidebook goes into some detail on the Chaos-worshipping tribes that invaded the Sabbat Worlds and their organization, and the vast majority of them were ordinary cultists or Blood Pact.

[Venator]

You've got all kinds of traitors and heretics; sometimes Guard or PDFs recently "defecting" and stocked with all manner of current military hardware.

Other times, mobs and cultists with whatever they have at hand who overthrow planetary governments.

Then there's the Dark Adeptus, traitor AdMechs, and the associated bizarre constructs (and Titans).

[Shroom Man 777]

In the Ciaphas Cain novel, The Traitor's Hand, the primary Chaos antagonists were also regular forces - with Chaos Marines comprising a more elite bunch of dudes.

Cultist: "Blood for the Blood God!"

Cain: "Harriers for the cup!" *shoots*

[Falkenhayn]

This is something i was wondering about but could not find much information about.

As we all know, during the Horus Heresy it was not just space marines that betrayed the Emperor, but a bunch of other guys including Techpriests and Guardsmen. As such, the CSMs are going to make up a rather tiny minority of the Human Chaos Forces, but never-the-less, i see very little on Chaos Guard Forces. I see a few Slim references here and there, but never that much. Can i get some information on Non Space Marine human Chaos Forces?

Zor

The Blood Pact are a Guard Analogue. The recruit exclusively from IG defectors, and have a drawn out initiation ritual involving a whole lot of scarification on the hands. The final act is dashing your hands against the Shredder like armor of the Blook Pact's leader.

Tactically, they echo guard organization, and employ combined arms tactics. So ten man squads, which may or may not be divided into fire teams, platoons, companies, etc. They also have specialized supporting arms, like armor, heavy weapons, combat engineers, and assault units to name a few.

All ranks are distinguished by what's called a gorget, but is closer to a Samurai Menpo, most often worked into a leering grin. The different officer ranks are signified by different colors of Menpo, while the troops have a dull metallic/matte black color. All ranks decorate their armor, which is debased guard fatigues and flak vests, with gory trophies and copious amounts of dry blood.

They featured heavily in Anakawar Sek's Chaos Army in the Sabbat worlds, though only about 750,000 were present. They employed specialized "Stalk Tanks", a sort of medium combat walker associated with them, along with Superheavy armor during the Siege of Vervunhive. They also employ Loxatl, who are quadrapedal alien mercenaries highly resistant to las fire. The Loxatl have back mounted mind controlled flechet cannons and smell like bad fish.

[Falkenhayn]

This is some official Blood Pact stuff from Black Library. Got most of the salient details in my post, but there's some additional goodies here.

+http://www.blacklibrary.com/articles/blood-pact.asp

[Peptuck]

They employed specialized "Stalk Tanks", a sort of medium combat walker associated with them, along with Superheavy armor during the Siege of Vervunhive.

Blood Pact weren't at Vervunhive. Those were corrupted Zoicans under Heritor Asphodel.

[Darth Tanner]

Although they did have super heavy armour for their invasion of Herodor, or a single Baneblade at least.

Cultist: "Blood for the Blood God!"

Cain: "Harriers for the cup!" *shoots*

Funniest moment ever.

I've always wondered why seeing as the Chaos Marines represent such a tiny percentage of the Arch enemy of mankind then why does Games Workshop provide almost nothing other than Chaos Marines in their army.

[andrewgpaul]

Forgeworld's Imperial Armour volume 5: The Siege of Vraks part 1 details an Imperial invasion of a world turned to Chaos, and has quite a lot of detail on the corrupted PDF units defending it.

[[R_H]]

They featured heavily in Anakawar Sek's Chaos Army in the Sabbat worlds, though only about 750,000 were present. They employed specialized "Stalk Tanks", a sort of medium combat walker associated with them, along with Superheavy armor during the Siege of Vervunhive. They also employ Loxatl, who are quadrapedal alien mercenaries highly resistant to las fire. The Loxatl have back mounted mind controlled flechet cannons and smell like bad fish.

How do the Stalk tanks compare to Sentinels or Dreadnaughts? Are Stalk Tanks anti-personnel or anti-vehicle? Or are there different patterns, like with Sentinels and Dreadnaughts? Are the Loxatl Chaos worshippers as well?

Thanks

[Darth Tanner]

How do the Stalk tanks compare to Sentinels or Dreadnaughts?

As far as I know their more like heavy sentinels than anything else but they must be much larger as they have more legs (6 I think). They’re usually armed with multilasers.

Are the Loxatl Chaos worshippers as well?

I've only read up to Sabbat Martyr but the Loxatl are never shown to be chaos worshippers, although if they have spent any real length of time in the service of Chaos they likely worship it in some form. The fact that three of them are members of the 'Nine' probably means their more than simple mercenaries too.

[Setzer]

In the Ciaphas Cain novel, The Traitor's Hand, the primary Chaos antagonists were also regular forces - with Chaos Marines comprising a more elite bunch of dudes.

Cultist: "Blood for the Blood God!"

Cain: "Harriers for the cup!" *shoots*

Unfortunately they lost that year.

A lot of social organizations can sometimes turn out to be Chaos cults. By the time people figure it out, they're so warped they don't care.

[[R_H]]

How do the Stalk tanks compare to Sentinels or Dreadnaughts?

As far as I know their more like heavy sentinels than anything else but they must be much larger as they have more legs (6 I think). They’re usually armed with multilasers.

Are the Loxatl Chaos worshippers as well?

I've only read up to Sabbat Martyr but the Loxatl are never shown to be chaos worshippers, although if they have spent any real length of time in the service of Chaos they likely worship it in some form. The fact that three of them are members of the 'Nine' probably means their more than simple mercenaries too.

Ok, that answers those questions - what are the 'Nine' though?

[Cykeisme]

I've always wondered why seeing as the Chaos Marines represent such a tiny percentage of the Arch enemy of mankind then why does Games Workshop provide almost nothing other than Chaos Marines in their army.

The reason for that is the name of the army: Chaos Space Marines.

For 5th Edition, a new Codex has been released, detailing the fielding of armies consisting of nothing but warp-spawned Chaos Daemons.

Mad cults, mutant mobs turned to Chaos worship, traitor Guardsmen/PDFs etc etc are so varied, that it would do a disservice to all the rest of Games Workshop were to make models for any particular one.
For example, for traitor Guard or PDF regiments, you can simply use the Imperial Guard Codex and convert/paint your army to what you envision your Chaos regiment should look like.

For an example of non-traitor Astartes, non-daemon Chaos forces, perhaps this Wikipedia article can help shed some light:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lost_and_the_Damned

[Darth Tanner]

The reason for that is the name of the army: Chaos Space Marines.

An important fact that.

Apparently there are some conversion kits for turning standard guard models into chaos cultists available from the Forge World.

what are the 'Nine' though?

Just a bunch of elite monsters and killers that want to pull your internal organs out of your nose.

[Peptuck]

Ok, that answers those questions - what are the 'Nine' though?

Nine specialist assassins sent to kill Saint Sabbat. They consisted of a Blood Pact sharpshooter, three loxatl soldiers, a Dark Eldar Mandrake, Pater Sin and his two pet psyker children, and a Chaos Dreadnought.

Yeah, they used a Dreadnought as an assassin. He is very quiet.

[Falkenhayn]

Blood Pact weren't at Vervunhive. Those were corrupted Zoicans under Heritor Asphodel.

You have me, Sir.

They Blood Pact may also employ a their own brands of non-Imperial armored vehicles (thanks to rogue Forgeworlds), like AT-series light and heavy tanks, and SteG4 assault guns.

[Shroom Man 777]

Ok, that answers those questions - what are the 'Nine' though?

Nine specialist assassins sent to kill Saint Sabbat. They consisted of a Blood Pact sharpshooter, three loxatl soldiers, a Dark Eldar Mandrake, Pater Sin and his two pet psyker children, and a Chaos Dreadnought.

Yeah, they used a Dreadnought as an assassin. He is very quiet.

The Dreadnought was the one who got closest, too!

[Block]

Ok, that answers those questions - what are the 'Nine' though?

Nine specialist assassins sent to kill Saint Sabbat. They consisted of a Blood Pact sharpshooter, three loxatl soldiers, a Dark Eldar Mandrake, Pater Sin and his two pet psyker children, and a Chaos Dreadnought.

Yeah, they used a Dreadnought as an assassin. He is very quiet.

The Dreadnought was the one who got closest, too!

Well he did somehow manage to come in through the water system.

[The Grim Squeaker]

Ok, that answers those questions - what are the 'Nine' though?

Nine specialist assassins sent to kill Saint Sabbat. They consisted of a Blood Pact sharpshooter, three loxatl soldiers, a Dark Eldar Mandrake, Pater Sin and his two pet psyker children, and a Chaos Dreadnought.

Yeah, they used a Dreadnought as an assassin. He is very quiet.

The Dreadnought was the one who got closest, too!

Technically, Pater sin and his children came closest (In two senses of the word) .

[Ziggy Stardust]

One of my friends (back when we used to play 40K) made a chaos Imperial Guard army. The homemade rules he made were excellent in how balanced they were, and representative of available fluff. If I can find his write-up on it I will post it.