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The wealth gap in America isn’t the only growing dichotomy in our melting pot of various demographic slices. An intellectual gap is asserting itself in dangerous levels as these demographic slices form battling coalitions over differing priorities. While the Internet is a fascinating equalizer, providing information and education to those who seek it, the increasing vilification of education and intellectualism is alarming. And the 2008 Election, with its record-breaking participation, has brought illustrations of the growing smart gap to the forefront of mainstream media - even if the media doesn’t understand or acknowledge exactly what they’ve got their hands on.

The most recent example of the degradation of education in America is the difference in voter groups in the Democratic Primary. We are continuously reminded that educated Americans lean more toward Obama and blue-collar (they hardly ever say “uneducated”) voters side with Clinton. In an effort to celebrate these blue-collar Americans, the media and the candidates repeatedly refer to them as “hardworking Americans” - which should seem offensive to white-collar workers who undoubtedly work just as hard whether it’s in the operating room or on the trading floor.

Obama’s opponents readily reach for the “elitist” attack, however, simply because educated voters choose him more than any other candidate. How ridiculous. How backwards. How indicative of the anti-intellectualism that seems pervasive even in our most top levels of government.

It is not far-fetched to assume that educated voters are more informed, know more about current events, and are more familiar with the global effects of our national decisions and, thus, can apply critical analysis - even in the voting booth - better than their uneducated counterparts. This is not to say that a college-educated voter will always make a better decision than an uneducated voter. Intellectualism has more to do with the seeking of knowledge than the attaining of a piece of paper in the form of a degree. Smarter, more educated decisions, however, lead to a better - even longer - life and benefit not just the educated, but society as a whole.

Hillary Clinton began to solidify a political base as she began to pander to the uneducated, as Republicans do in most of their campaigns. In a fantastic blog entitled “In Defense of Being Educated” on The Huffington Post, Robert J. Elisberg writes that Hillary Clinton thinks she should be president because her voters are less educated than those of her opponent. He’s simplifying for effect, but the message is clear. The uneducated, potentially poorer-decision making voters who have always been courted by Republicans, are being celebrated and lauded. Yes, this may just be a political tool to get ahead, but the message it sends to America is a very dangerous one indeed.

I’m reminded of the 60 Minutes Report “All Eyes On Ohio” during which Kenny Schoenholtz, a worker at the Glatfelter paper factory (which was shutting down) told Steve Kroft about Obama, “Well, I’m hearin’ he doesn’t even know the National Anthem, you know. He wouldn’t use the Holy Bible. He’s got his own beliefs, got the Muslim beliefs. Couple issues that bothers me at heart.” Now, I don’t know anyone who saw that report and were not - too put it lightly- gobsmacked by the stupidity of such a person.

Now, that may seem a harsh judgment, but it is difficult to watch as voters just like Schoenholtz are routinely courted as the Holy Grail among voting blocs. He is the perfect constituent for Republicans or Clintons, who salivate at the opportunity to use unreasoned and illogical attacks. He is the audience for Willey Horton ads and Swiftboat campaigns. He is the voter to whom it will matter that Barack Obama’s middle name is Hussein. He is the voter who most likely voted for Bush a second time.

Why is he this type of voter? Because he is uneducated.

The pat-on-the-back for those who opted out of higher education or choose not to seek information and enlightenment will have grievous results beyond the quality of our elected leaders. With the diminishing appreciation of education - specifically science and math (largely due to religious fundamentalism) - the U.S. will continue to lose its stronghold as hegemonic power and falter economically, technologically and culturally. I recommend reading Susan Jacoby’s “The Dumbing of America” on The Washington Post for further statistics and examples of our rapid intellectual back-sliding. Jacoby has also recently written published “The Age of American Unreason“.

As the media and political parties request audience with uneducated voters using sugar-coated labels of importance, one must remember that lack of education and information encourage crime, teenage pregnancy, poverty, obesity, disease and more. Autocratic regimes and dictatorships prevent instruments of knowledge from reaching the masses as a tool with which to construct their oppressive governments.

I know many people who have not had access to a college education, yet are still very much intellectuals. The seeking of information, arming oneself with the ability to make enlightened decisions and the understanding of the importance of knowledge are all that is required to be intellectual.

As a nation, however, we glorify the rejecting of education to our own detriment.

There a fewer shames I can think of that the anti-intellectualism movement has produced than those presented by Nicholas D. Kristoff of The New York Times in his Op-Ed “With a Few More Brains…“:

“A 34-nation study found Americans less likely to believe in evolution than citizens of any of the countries polled except Turkey.

President Bush is also the only Western leader I know of who doesn’t believe in evolution, saying “the jury is still out.” No word on whether he believes in little green men.”
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Seems to sum up the sistuation I've seen in tons of other political debate boards.
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I'm not sure where I read it. But I'm sure it was a blog entry by conservative Australian journalist.

It was along the lines of "We can't trust the scientists when it comes to big scientific issues" (the general debate was about Global Warming).

I shit you not. I think it was Andrew Bolt or Ackkerman, or one of the ones with a fairly large readership in the newspapers. Couldn't believe people listen to these shitheads.

Some people think that being fucking stupid is some sort of badge of honor. Anti-intellectualism isn't a particularly unique American trait. We have our share of tools over here. I think it is a bit more pronounced over in the States because of all the fundies.
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Hopefully this will not come to singapore...even though I have a feeling anti-intellectualism is gaining popularity here as well...
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For as long as the intellectual "elite" are a minority there will probably always be distrust of them.

People who think they are important don't like being told what to do, and the sheep go with it if the message suits them.
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Anti-intellectualism is often another way of saying, 'fucking lazy'.

Being lauded for lacking something is easy; you just never work hard to get that thing in the first place, then wait for someone who wants your support to enshrine the virtues of making do with only simple, traditional things while demonizing people (often, like themselves) who dared aspire to more as frenetic, materialistic, money-grubbing, soulless elitists. Suddenly, you're not poor and rural, you're down-to-earth and hard-working. These are the people who made 'simple' a lifestyle compliment. I remember when it was a polite way of saying, 'retarded'.
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Anti intellectualism I think is an outgrown of a large middle class with access to all the goodies a first world nation can give them. In America, middle class people can get McMansions and drive really nice cars and trucks that are little more than status symbols. They have four big screen tv's and all the bells and whistles, including motor boats and other luxuary items.

They have all that, and a huge debt, and look at the 'elite' with scorn since they could get all that without being elite and stayed with their 'down home roots and traditions'.
They say, "the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots." I suppose it never occurred to them that they are the tyrants, not the patriots. Those weapons are not being used to fight some kind of tyranny; they are bringing them to an event where people are getting together to talk. -Mike Wong

But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
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I think it has far more to do with a general breakdown of the educational system. There really is no reason why ordinary people cannot be taught sufficiently to have a sound, fundamental grasp of the issues and a layman's understanding of science and technology, or have fostered in them the desire to seek information and understand why intellectual achievers are important to society. There was a time, long ago, when this was seen as essential to having a working democracy. For fuck's sake, back in the 50s, Warner Bros. put out a Sylvester the Cat cartoon featuring mice who discuss the American capitalistic system and the fundamentals of supply and demand and how they affect profit and industrial production, and this was made as entertainment for a general moviegoing audience and predicated presumably upon the ability of the crowds to comprehend the subject. Walt Disney put out TV cartoons on a number of scientific subjects for children, including Mars And Beyond which included a discussion of Wehner VonBraun's Mars exploration plan. For kids! Nobody even tries to do something like that today. It is that the level of public education has fallen so low that the GOP or Hillary Clinton can get away with basing entire campaigns on bashing intellectuals and pandering to mass ignorance.

There are other societies in which their people have access to the general wealth an advanced, technological civilisation can grant, yet the people living in them are far more educated to understand politics and the vital issues affecting their lives, to a level which puts the Amerian polis to a well deserved shame.
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I can agree with that, however I'll add that the social and cultural influences I talked about probably add to what you talked about. If you can have all that and not worry about your lack of education (or want of one) then it makes the lack of education easy to dismiss.
They say, "the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots." I suppose it never occurred to them that they are the tyrants, not the patriots. Those weapons are not being used to fight some kind of tyranny; they are bringing them to an event where people are getting together to talk. -Mike Wong

But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
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Anyway, is it possible to justify that anti-intellectualism grows out of the ideas of free speech for example?

Take the internet discussion board policies as an example. Boards like SD.net can ensure that being clever or at the least be more knowledgeable about world issues is not frowned upon...and you have to provide reasonable evidence and articles in defending your viewpoint.

Other boards for example, where the rules are not too strict in regards to providing good evidence (aka lifting materials from ANY websites) usually end up having more people are is against intellectualism...and view it as elitist.

I mean, while there are things that prevent things like defamation under the right to have a freedom of speech, no one has thought of regulations to prevent anti-intellectualism. On a individual basis, the harm is still more...but when certain ideas gain popularity, it can't be good.

The real trouble is when people started to preach their beliefs and ideas, given that there is no clear distinction between voicing your opinions without any will to convert others to your side, and having the will to do so.

In a democractic nation, it can be abused even easier, given that you are allowed to talk rubbish as long as you SOUND impressive. You don't even need to back up your claims, as long as there is enough people that is impressed by your words and belief.

Is it even possible to regulate anti-intellectualism? I'm not sure about this though...


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ray245 wrote:Anyway, is it possible to justify that anti-intellectualism grows out of the ideas of free speech for example?
I don't see how. Anti-int is really just anti-elitism in essence. You can certainly have people pissed off at the perceived elite without freedom of speech. I'm curious what agenda brought this argument up?
Take the internet discussion board policies as an example. Boards like SD.net can ensure that being clever or at the least be more knowledgeable about world issues is not frowned upon...and you have to provide reasonable evidence and articles in defending your viewpoint.

Other boards for example, where the rules are not too strict in regards to providing good evidence (aka lifting materials from ANY websites) usually end up having more people are is against intellectualism...and view it as elitist.
Well yes, when everyone is said to be equal in opinion then everyone can buy into the notion that they are equally smart. That isn't really freedom of speech though, rather a perversion of it. True freedom of speech is saying what you want but not protected from being told your an idiot for saying it.

SDN is closer to freedom of speech than the boards you elude to. Here you say what you want but there is no protection for being flamed for being an idiot (you're familiar with this procedure). The other boards you mention (Miss Manner types) are closer to the bans you talk about below. In an effort to make everyone 'equal' they actually squash dissent.
I mean, while there are things that prevent things like defamation under the right to have a freedom of speech, no one has thought of regulations to prevent anti-intellectualism. On a individual basis, the harm is still more...but when certain ideas gain popularity, it can't be good.
Which I would say is what happens on the Miss Manners type board.
The real trouble is when people started to preach their beliefs and ideas, given that there is no clear distinction between voicing your opinions without any will to convert others to your side, and having the will to do so.
I actually think they want to convert due to weight of numbers.
In a democractic nation, it can be abused even easier, given that you are allowed to talk rubbish as long as you SOUND impressive. You don't even need to back up your claims, as long as there is enough people that is impressed by your words and belief.
That would be both the lack of education Degan spoke of an cultural comfort I spoke of.
Is it even possible to regulate anti-intellectualism? I'm not sure about this though...

Just my two cents...
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But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
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Knife wrote:Anti intellectualism I think is an outgrown of a large middle class with access to all the goodies a first world nation can give them. In America, middle class people can get McMansions and drive really nice cars and trucks that are little more than status symbols. They have four big screen tv's and all the bells and whistles, including motor boats and other luxuary items.

They have all that, and a huge debt, and look at the 'elite' with scorn since they could get all that without being elite and stayed with their 'down home roots and traditions'.
I don't think that's the root cause, since anti-intellectualism only increases as you go down the economic class ladder.

I think the root cause is more like this:
  1. Religion. Religion has always been aggressively anti-intellectual. There are countless religious editorials ranting against the evils of university education. That's not to say that all religious people are necessarily stupid, but if you want to devoutly religious, it certainly helps to be stupid, or to at least act like a stupid person by refusing to apply principles of critical thinking. I believe this is by far the biggest factor, but it is not the only one.
  2. Sports. The obsession with sports, from the grade-school level right up into the adult world, tends to produce a culture which is obsessed with macho athleticism and which scorns academic achievement. It is a running joke that most college football players are morons who are given a free pass by the faculty, and nobody even seems to find that offensive. Most of the big-name universities in America are better-known for their football programs than their academic programs.
  3. Youth. The video-inundated generation has produced an obsession with youth, and to put it bluntly, youth culture is stupid. It has always been stupid. It was stupid in the 1950s, and it is stupid today. The difference today is the huge profusion of media outlets to publicize and glorify this stupidity, since youths look good onscreen. Even as recently as 20 years ago, there was not the huge variety of video media outlets that there are today.
  4. Romanticizing the Past. America's tendency to look upon its past with murky rose-coloured glasses naturally benefits anti-intellectualism. After all, our forefathers knew only a tiny fraction of what we know today, and they were such wonderful people compared to our modern "society in decline" that all our modern science and technology and fuddy-duddy university learning must not be good for much, right? That's the idiot reasoning involved here.
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I tend to think that while the issues gone over above are part of the problem, the current frequency of anti-intellectualism has its roots much farther back. Three historical factors have laid the ground work for this disturbing trend.

1. The populist movement of the early 1900s
Starting the William Jennings Bryan and going from there, the populist movement extolled the virtues of the common man, untainted by things like an actual working knowledge of the subject, to make decisions. The uneducated masses of blue collar workers became morally superior to educated people.

2. Anticommunism
The anti-communist movement that started about the same time specifically targeted universities. Communist revolutions in europe started in university campuses, and because in some departments there were some communist sympathies, the entire university system was targeted by the government, and populist demagogues.

3. The religious fundamentalist movement.
Playing within the populist movement was the religious fundamentalist movement which started in the 20s and thirties. They targeted with surprising effectiveness places of learning that taught sciences and philosophies that did not conform to their religious worldview.
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I can see those as factors just like the lack of education, however I would still maintain that an easy lifestyle that mimics wealth that the middle class can get produces the contempt for the 'elite'. Why do all that when I can stay blue collar and still get all that?- type attitude.

Sports would just be another vehicle for this; why get educated when I can play a game good enough and become rich? Why better myself and my society when I can scam, hustle and get lucky and get rich? Seems to be the American dream anymore.
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But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
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Knife wrote:
I don't see how. Anti-int is really just anti-elitism in essence. You can certainly have people pissed off at the perceived elite without freedom of speech. I'm curious what agenda brought this argument up?
Well...it is mainly due to the fact that I have see tons of debates ,the policy on wikipedia and what my teachers have been teaching us, that as long as it is a 'big' and popular media, your source is more or less reliable.

Other than that, I was holding the idea that freedom of speech encourage tons of pesudo-scientist/historican/experts...who dare to call themselves experts without any formal 'training' and disproving those that have a creditinals in certain areas, for example, scientist in science.

Well yes, when everyone is said to be equal in opinion then everyone can buy into the notion that they are equally smart. That isn't really freedom of speech though, rather a perversion of it. True freedom of speech is saying what you want but not protected from being told your an idiot for saying it.

SDN is closer to freedom of speech than the boards you elude to. Here you say what you want but there is no protection for being flamed for being an idiot (you're familiar with this procedure). The other boards you mention (Miss Manner types) are closer to the bans you talk about below. In an effort to make everyone 'equal' they actually squash dissent.
What I meant was...sites like SD.net bans people for not bringing up any evidence or credible evidence in a debate. While other sides do not require you to bring up PROPER evidence.

The worse thing is adding a poll to decide the debate on a forum. All one side needs to do is to spam the threads without misconcpetions without reading about the issue, or bringing up any evidence to justify their stand.

Even if a person is allowed to flame, in the end, the impact of flaming the other person will be small, and the correct opinion will simply be buried under tons of false ideas...or the person will just gave up on that debate which cannot be won, and thus, giving the false impression on which stand is the correct one.

In such a board, this isn't a miss manner board, but another type of board altogether. All they need to do is to impress a person with no real standing, and they can easily get another loyal member.

Which I would say is what happens on the Miss Manners type board.
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I actually think they want to convert due to weight of numbers.
Oh ok...

That would be both the lack of education Degan spoke of an cultural comfort I spoke of.
The thing is, what is preventing society as a whole to ensure proper education is given? Technically, freedom of speech CAN mean that you are allowed to teach anything you want.


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Darth Wong wrote: Sports. The obsession with sports, from the grade-school level right up into the adult world, tends to produce a culture which is obsessed with macho athleticism and which scorns academic achievement. It is a running joke that most college football players are morons who are given a free pass by the faculty, and nobody even seems to find that offensive. Most of the big-name universities in America are better-known for their football programs than their academic programs.
I don't thing sports have such a huge impact though...I mean take singapore's society as an example. I mean sure, we are still obessed with sports...but usually, doing well in academic achievement is the thing that allows you to be respected.

Doing well in sports is considered a secondary achievement.

Yet at the same time, people is starting to critise the idea that there has been too much focus on academic achievement alone, and we should follow what the US education system is like...and to allow more creativity.
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ray245 wrote: The thing is, what is preventing society as a whole to ensure proper education is given? Technically, freedom of speech CAN mean that you are allowed to teach anything you want.
Only to freedom of speech wankers who think it means you can say whatever you want with no consequences. What most idiots don't realize is that freedom of speech really only means that you won't be punished for speaking out against the government.
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I think a very apt point made by several people was that of the middle class, and I'd like to expand upon it a bit. Stated succinctly, I feel the issue of the middle class is this: you can be ignorant and still expect an excellent standard of living. In the past, if you were ignorant, you could only get a job designed for ignorant people that really didn't get you much in the way of material wealth. I'm sure the ignorant people grumbled about the intellectual elite back in the day, but with it came, I feel, an inherent desire to improve one's station through education, or, failing that, vault one's children into the world of the intelligentsia, so that they could reap its benefits. In other words, ignorant people didn't like smart people, but they realized that education was the vector by which they could attain a better life.

Today, though, it's different. It doesn't really matter if you're ignorant, because there are plenty of jobs that you can do which will grant you an excellent standard of living, especially if you bolster it with cheap credit. At the same time, the material benefits of education, while still present, are necessarily reduced because of this condition. Therefore, the desire to work hard to become educated is reduced, and the resentment of intellectuals by ignorant people can become more pronounced, and it allows this resentment to be manipulated by others more easily.

Another thought that occurred to me is this: anti-intellectualism flourishes because there's no downside to it. Despite all the hatred of all things intelligent, ignorant people still reap the benefits of having them in their society. I'm not sure if a brain drain is occurring the United States, but even if it is, it's certainly not pronounced. Were the intellectuals to rapidly abandon the country for opportunities elsewhere in the world, I feel that the trend of anti-intellectualism would begin to reverse itself. Not rapidly, to be sure; after all, shit would take several decades to really fall apart.

I guess, then, that the other points raised by DW and others account for why this is an American phenomenon in large part. After all, Western Europe, Japan, Canada, and Australia enjoy essentially the same standard of living as the US but don't suffer this anti-intellectual trend, so it must fall to factors unique to the US to account for this discrepancy.
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I guess, then, that the other points raised by DW and others account for why this is an American phenomenon in large part. After all, Western Europe, Japan, Canada, and Australia enjoy essentially the same standard of living as the US but don't suffer this anti-intellectual trend, so it must fall to factors unique to the US to account for this discrepancy.
In the UK we have a trend for Anti-intellectualism, it just isn't politicised like in America.

It expresses itself more in the sense of "I don't want to watch that, that's smart people TV/books/news" which makes it sound almost like jealousy of intellect or a fear of not understanding.
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Darth Wong wrote:
Knife wrote:Anti intellectualism I think is an outgrown of a large middle class with access to all the goodies a first world nation can give them. In America, middle class people can get McMansions and drive really nice cars and trucks that are little more than status symbols. They have four big screen tv's and all the bells and whistles, including motor boats and other luxuary items.

They have all that, and a huge debt, and look at the 'elite' with scorn since they could get all that without being elite and stayed with their 'down home roots and traditions'.
I don't think that's the root cause, since anti-intellectualism only increases as you go down the economic class ladder.

I think the root cause is more like this:
  1. Religion. Religion has always been aggressively anti-intellectual. There are countless religious editorials ranting against the evils of university education. That's not to say that all religious people are necessarily stupid, but if you want to devoutly religious, it certainly helps to be stupid, or to at least act like a stupid person by refusing to apply principles of critical thinking. I believe this is by far the biggest factor, but it is not the only one.
  2. Sports. The obsession with sports, from the grade-school level right up into the adult world, tends to produce a culture which is obsessed with macho athleticism and which scorns academic achievement. It is a running joke that most college football players are morons who are given a free pass by the faculty, and nobody even seems to find that offensive. Most of the big-name universities in America are better-known for their football programs than their academic programs.
  3. Youth. The video-inundated generation has produced an obsession with youth, and to put it bluntly, youth culture is stupid. It has always been stupid. It was stupid in the 1950s, and it is stupid today. The difference today is the huge profusion of media outlets to publicize and glorify this stupidity, since youths look good onscreen. Even as recently as 20 years ago, there was not the huge variety of video media outlets that there are today.
  4. Romanticizing the Past. America's tendency to look upon its past with murky rose-coloured glasses naturally benefits anti-intellectualism. After all, our forefathers knew only a tiny fraction of what we know today, and they were such wonderful people compared to our modern "society in decline" that all our modern science and technology and fuddy-duddy university learning must not be good for much, right? That's the idiot reasoning involved here.
All these are merely symptoms. And it is quite possible to have generalised wealth in a society and have that society a properly educated one in which intellectuals are respected; the two are not mutually exclusive.

I should have qualifed my earlier statement: there is no legitimate reason for engineering a stupefied society but there certainly is a darkly Machivellian one: power. A stupefied populace is far more easily manipulated and therefore much easier for oligarchs to control than an educated one. Religion, traditionalism, and mass-media would be tools to that end —to con people into consistently voting against their own interests, sucker them into unpayable debt, rob them of any awareness that anything is wrong, and set the various segments of society against one another so they never unite against the oligarchy and never have the time or personal resources to mount effective opposition even if they could do. False populism designed to turn people hostile to intellectuals and higher learning would also be a means to that end.
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In the UK - I can't speak for the US - the secondary (and a fortiori tertiary) education system forces specialisation at an early age - after 16 you pick three or four subjects with which to continue. So you have a lot of intelligent, literate people who have absolutely no idea about, say, science.

This has the obvious consequence that the sort of people who would decry ignorance about history or current affairs have no problems with homeopathy or not immunising children, and write stories like "Surfer dude discovers grand theory of everything, scientists stunned" :roll:
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Knife wrote:I can see those as factors just like the lack of education, however I would still maintain that an easy lifestyle that mimics wealth that the middle class can get produces the contempt for the 'elite'. Why do all that when I can stay blue collar and still get all that?- type attitude.

Sports would just be another vehicle for this; why get educated when I can play a game good enough and become rich? Why better myself and my society when I can scam, hustle and get lucky and get rich? Seems to be the American dream anymore.
I think you're close with this... warm, but not warm enough.

So far, reading this, I haven't seen any mention of what I think the biggest culprit is-- consumer-oriented corporations.

Let's face it, no company wants a consumer base that is educated and capable of critical thought and making rational analyses. They want morons who'l bust the asses constantly to afford to buy the newest, latest, shiniest crap because some media pop star says it's cool on a commercial.

Religion has its part to play, but really, I think religion these days is just another log on the fire, taking advantage of the stupidity. All those educational TV shows mentioned earlier-- about trips to Mars and market economies-- who sponsored those TV shows? Big-money corporations, who have a say in what shows are produced. They pay for the dumbed-down shows and pull from the educated ones. As an idiot populace, fed on the milk of sponsored consumerism grows to age, they're well-indoctrinated consumer drones out to buy the latest $200.00 Nikes.

Wanna find out why the population is anti-intellectual? Find out who benefits and follow the money...
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Consumerism is religion. It's by far the most successful religion of all time, and it crosses all boundaries unlike Christianity, Islam or Judaism etc.

People worship the almighty dollar, or whatever other currency becomes the one of choice as reserve. Remember, if you die with the most zeroes in your bank balance and the most shit in your house/s, then you win at life.
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Yes, but all western nations have consumerism. It's worst in America because there's this bizarre merging of religion, consumerism, and nationalism there. In other words, Christianity has become intertwined with free-market capitalism and American pride to become a single Holy Trinity. And all three parts of that Trinity are threatened by intellectuals. It is intellectuals who point out the flaws in laissez-faire capitalism. It is intellectuals who scoff at flag-waving jingoism and point out its stupidity. It is intellectuals who point out the glaring weaknesses of religion.
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It is certainly more prevalent in the US because of those factors. On their own, they can be less effective and countered by strong education or leadership or policies. Combine those otherwise lowest common denominator factors, and you've got what is one potent superpower toppling mix.

Why else is the US falling so fast compared to other empires? Jingoists who waste their wealth and resources in the name of sky pixies and wishful thinking will not a legacy of good renown make.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:It is certainly more prevalent in the US because of those factors. On their own, they can be less effective and countered by strong education or leadership or policies. Combine those otherwise lowest common denominator factors, and you've got what is one potent superpower toppling mix.

Why else is the US falling so fast compared to other empires? Jingoists who waste their wealth and resources in the name of sky pixies and wishful thinking will not a legacy of good renown make.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:It is certainly more prevalent in the US because of those factors. On their own, they can be less effective and countered by strong education or leadership or policies. Combine those otherwise lowest common denominator factors, and you've got what is one potent superpower toppling mix.

Why else is the US falling so fast compared to other empires? Jingoists who waste their wealth and resources in the name of sky pixies and wishful thinking will not a legacy of good renown make.
There is a reason why I want to get my Ph.D before american universities collapse and get the hell out....
Why would they collapse? A number of Universities make enormous profits every year.
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