Yet More Police Brutality

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2008-08-13 03:13pm

Just. Wait. For. The. Green.

Its ninety seconds out of your life, and you probably weren't going to use them for something important.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2008-08-13 03:14pm

Shroom Man 777 wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:It might seem like that, but you're taking your sample from one side of the media.

Here's the other side of the coin. Calm Trooper
I wonder how they can record the conversation like that. The camera is inside the car... but how about the microphone? I mean, there's some distance between the car and the cop and the perp, and with the surrounding noise... those must be good tape recorders or something.

I believe the mic is carried on the officer.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-08-13 03:14pm

General Zod wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:Its quite different than Jaywalking; you're running a red light. Its not just a risk to you, what about the poor bastard who has to live with the fact that he killed some moron who ran a red light on a bike? He's screwed up for life.
Even on a road where there's obviously no traffic coming in either direction for quite a bit of time? At least enough to safely get across the street?

Is it OK to run a red light in a car? Even on a road where there's obviously no traffic coming in either direction for quite a bit of time? At least enough to safely get across the street?

Big Phil · Post by **Big Phil** » 2008-08-13 03:26pm

General Zod wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote: Its quite different than Jaywalking; you're running a red light. Its not just a risk to you, what about the poor bastard who has to live with the fact that he killed some moron who ran a red light on a bike? He's screwed up for life.
Even on a road where there's obviously no traffic coming in either direction for quite a bit of time? At least enough to safely get across the street?

Are you really being a douchebag about cyclists running a red light? It's not like agreeing that running a red light is illegal affects the crux of this thread, that the police were way out of line and should be charged and imprisoned.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2008-08-13 03:26pm

Darth Wong wrote: Is it OK to run a red light in a car? Even on a road where there's obviously no traffic coming in either direction for quite a bit of time? At least enough to safely get across the street?

I'm still not seeing how bikes are even remotely comparable to cars in this case. Especially when all someone would have to do to avoid the technicality of running a light would be to get off the bike and carry it across.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-08-13 03:42pm

General Zod wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Is it OK to run a red light in a car? Even on a road where there's obviously no traffic coming in either direction for quite a bit of time? At least enough to safely get across the street?
I'm still not seeing how bikes are even remotely comparable to cars in this case. Especially when all someone would have to do to avoid the technicality of running a light would be to get off the bike and carry it across.

Why the fuck are they NOT comparable to cars, for the purposes of asking whether it's illegal or whether a cop can stop you for it? What the fuck is wrong with you, moron? Are you saying that you disagree with the whole concept of red lights, and that every intersection should be "cross at your own discretion, depending on whether you think your vehicle is massive enough to kill someone?"

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2008-08-13 03:51pm

Darth Wong wrote: Why the fuck are they NOT comparable to cars, for the purposes of asking whether it's illegal or whether a cop can stop you for it? What the fuck is wrong with you, moron? Are you saying that you disagree with the whole concept of red lights, and that every intersection should be "cross at your own discretion, depending on whether you think your vehicle is massive enough to kill someone?"

They're not comparable because they're man-powered. I also never disputed that a cop shouldn't stop them for it, the main thing I had an issue with was some twat in plainclothes doing it. . .because what the fuck is an undercover/plainclothes cop doing stopping people who run red lights? That's what they have regular patrolmen for. It simply seems there was a communication problem somewhere in my posts.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-08-13 04:04pm

General Zod wrote:They're not comparable because they're man-powered. I also never disputed that a cop shouldn't stop them for it, the main thing I had an issue with was some twat in plainclothes doing it. . .because what the fuck is an undercover/plainclothes cop doing stopping people who run red lights? That's what they have regular patrolmen for. It simply seems there was a communication problem somewhere in my posts.

A "communication problem"? That's a nice backpedal, but it's pretty clear that you were convinced it was not a "real" crime to run a red light while on a bicycle. If that wasn't already obvious after your first post, it was pretty goddamned obvious in your attempts to defend it.

If you want to concede, that's fine. But don't lie and pretend that you always agreed it was perfectly reasonable to charge someone with running a red light while on a bicycle, because you very obviously didn't.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2008-08-13 04:09pm

Darth Wong wrote: If you want to concede, that's fine. But don't lie and pretend that you always agreed it was perfectly reasonable to charge someone with running a red light while on a bicycle, because you very obviously didn't.

I'll concede the point, then.

Big Phil · Post by **Big Phil** » 2008-08-13 04:13pm

General Zod wrote:
Darth Wong wrote: Why the fuck are they NOT comparable to cars, for the purposes of asking whether it's illegal or whether a cop can stop you for it? What the fuck is wrong with you, moron? Are you saying that you disagree with the whole concept of red lights, and that every intersection should be "cross at your own discretion, depending on whether you think your vehicle is massive enough to kill someone?"
They're not comparable because they're man-powered. I also never disputed that a cop shouldn't stop them for it, the main thing I had an issue with was some twat in plainclothes doing it. . .because what the fuck is an undercover/plainclothes cop doing stopping people who run red lights? That's what they have regular patrolmen for. It simply seems there was a communication problem somewhere in my posts.

I'll quote from the OP

Heaney was charged with second-degree assault on a police officer and criminal mischief after one of the officer's sunglasses were broken during the arrest. The officers claim Heaney rode his bicycle through a red light at 20th and Blake Streets and then punched Cordova in the nose.

Heaney, who didn't know the men were undercover police officers, says he only flipped Cordova's Rockies hat off of his head.

They didn't identify themselves as cops and stop him for running a red light, they probably told him not to be a fucker and run a red light just because he was on a bicycle. He then knocked the hat off one of the cops heads (that's assault, by the way), at which point the cops beat the crap out of him. Everything up until they beat the crap out of him and busted his teeth was perfectly legitimate. And while I think the cops deserve to be in prison for what they did, I also think this asshole probably got what he deserved.

Post by **Coyote** » 2008-08-13 04:46pm

All wheeled vehicles must obey wheeled vehicle traffic laws, regardless of their mode of power. A bicycle is technically a "vehicle", not a pedestrian.

Invictus ChiKen · Post by **Invictus ChiKen** » 2008-08-13 05:50pm

Correct me if I am wrong, but do most places not have those buttons you can press and change the color of the lights? Especially in large cities?

Of course human laziness is like human stupidity you can make a fortune betting on either one of them.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2008-08-13 06:01pm

Invictus ChiKen wrote:Correct me if I am wrong, but do most places not have those buttons you can press and change the color of the lights? Especially in large cities?

I've never heard of that. I have heard that at certain times of the day (usually late at night), if you trip a "sensor" or something it'll get the lights to trigger (either that or I've just had great timing) but I've never heard of an actual button.

Unless the normal crosswalk button (the one with the green dude walking and then the red hand to stop) will also trigger a light change if you press it late at night. I've never had to do that though so I don't know.

Invictus ChiKen · Post by **Invictus ChiKen** » 2008-08-13 06:03pm

RogueIce wrote:Unless the normal crosswalk button (the one with the green dude walking and then the red hand to stop) will also trigger a light change if you press it late at night. I've never had to do that though so I don't know.

That's the one I mean. There's also some sensors in the road for some distance to make sure one cannot abuse them and be a dick. I.E. hit the button to red light a lot of cars crossing, if they detect nothing they change.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2008-08-13 06:13pm

The way I understood it, traffic lights are on their own pattern which isn't controlled by the button, but unless you push the button the 'walking man' won't appear when the lights change.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2008-08-13 06:29pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:The way I understood it, traffic lights are on their own pattern which isn't controlled by the button, but unless you push the button the 'walking man' won't appear when the lights change.

Only in the US, here the standard crossings are controlled by the button, only those that dont have a pedestrian crossing and exist for flow management at T-junctions and Roundabouts for example dont.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2008-08-13 06:55pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Shroom Man 777 wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:It might seem like that, but you're taking your sample from one side of the media.

Here's the other side of the coin. Calm Trooper
I wonder how they can record the conversation like that. The camera is inside the car... but how about the microphone? I mean, there's some distance between the car and the cop and the perp, and with the surrounding noise... those must be good tape recorders or something.
I believe the mic is carried on the officer.

indeed it is, ours look like pagers from the 1980's.