Star Wars: Clone Wars film (Minimal spoilers)

PSW: discuss Star Wars without "versus" arguments.

Moderator: Vympel

User avatar
VT-16
Sith Marauder
Posts: 4662
Joined: 2004-05-13 10:01am
Location: Norway

Post by VT-16 »

NecronLord wrote:I must admit, when they rescued the huttlet from an apparently uninhabited jungle planet, in an Acclamator, I would have paid the ticket price twice again to have had the Acclamator blow the place to hell. Just to hear the screaming from certain quarters.
The fact that they used an Acclamator for something as simple as a hostage extraction should get the trekkies reeling. Isn't it over twice as along as the Voyager and many times as massive? ;)
Jim Raynor
Sith Devotee
Posts: 2922
Joined: 2002-07-11 04:42am

Post by Jim Raynor »

What the fuck is with this retarded "first female Jedi" talk? There were multiple female Jedi in the movies.
"They're not triangular, but they are more or less blade-shaped"- Thrawn McEwok on the shape of Bakura destroyers

"Lovely. It's known as impugning character regarding statement of professional qualifications' in the legal world"- Karen Traviss, crying libel because I said that no soldier she interviewed would claim that he can take on billion-to-one odds

"I've already laid out rules for this thread that we're not going to make these evidential demands"- Dark Moose on supporting your claims
User avatar
Bounty
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 10767
Joined: 2005-01-20 08:33am
Location: Belgium

Post by Bounty »

Jim Raynor wrote:What the fuck is with this retarded "first female Jedi" talk? There were multiple female Jedi in the movies.
In itty-bitty guest parts. There was that blue chick, and... well... did I miss anyone?
User avatar
NecronLord
Harbinger of Doom
Harbinger of Doom
Posts: 27384
Joined: 2002-07-07 06:30am
Location: The Lost City

Post by NecronLord »

A thing that troubled me about mini-hooker, how old is she meant to be? I'd much rather they suggested that such front line assignments didn't go to padawans until they're at least nearing adult. She seemed about 12.
Superior Moderator - BotB - HAB [Drill Instructor]-Writer- Stardestroyer.net's resident Star-God.
"We believe in the systematic understanding of the physical world through observation and experimentation, argument and debate and most of all freedom of will." ~ Stargate: The Ark of Truth
User avatar
Dooey Jo
Sith Devotee
Posts: 3127
Joined: 2002-08-09 01:09pm
Location: The land beyond the forest; Sweden.
Contact:

Post by Dooey Jo »

She's 12 and forgot to wear clothes? That's just all sorts of wrong...
Bounty wrote:In itty-bitty guest parts. There was that blue chick, and... well... did I miss anyone?
Yoda's girlfriend from TPM.
Image
"Nippon ichi, bitches! Boing-boing."
Mai smote the demonic fires of heck...

Faker Ninjas invented ninjitsu
User avatar
Darth Hoth
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 2319
Joined: 2008-02-15 09:36am

Post by Darth Hoth »

NecronLord wrote:A thing that troubled me about mini-hooker, how old is she meant to be? I'd much rather they suggested that such front line assignments didn't go to padawans until they're at least nearing adult. She seemed about 12.
I think Sansweet said she was supposed to be 14. Not that that is not still an underaged combatant.
"But there's no story past Episode VI, there's just no story. It's a certain story about Anakin Skywalker and once Anakin Skywalker dies, that's kind of the end of the story. There is no story about Luke Skywalker, I mean apart from the books."

-George "Evil" Lucas
User avatar
Mark S
The Quiet One
Posts: 3304
Joined: 2002-07-25 10:07pm
Location: Vancouver, Canada

Post by Mark S »

I saw it today and I really don't see what all the stink is about. It wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it was going to be from all the talk. It was pretty much action from start to finish and fun to sit back and watch, imho. The animation was a style choice and it didn't bother me at all.

That being said, the plot set up is incredibly weak and there are way too many bumbling battledroids. The plot itself was just there to get from one action set piece to another. This is obviously a pilot episode that they got greedy about and put in theaters.

A couple notes:

The 'jazzed up' theme is on at the beginning for all of ten seconds and the music in the rest of the movie is normal old Star Wars with what sounded like middle-eastern style singing every now and then. It's for a tv show and they are obviously trying to distiguish it from the movies. That's not unheard of.

No opening crawl kind of bugged me but didn't at the same time, in context.

The girl is supposed to be young and it is actually a point of contention for a while in the movie that she is so.

They refer to Jabba's "Hutt Clan" (singular) but also refer to his baby son as a "Huttling" (seeming to denote species), say "I hate Hutts" in speaking about the son, and dangle in front of his uncle mastery "of all the Hutt Clans." Take what you will from that.

Jabba's lucky he doesn't get the same treatment his uncle did. They should have landed more troops on his front door at the end to send him a message.
Writer's Guild 'Ghost in the Machine'/Decepticon 'Devastator'/BOTM 'Space Ape'/Justice League 'The Tick'
"The best part of 'believe' is the lie."
It's always the quiet ones.
User avatar
DPDarkPrimus
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 18399
Joined: 2002-11-22 11:02pm
Location: Iowa
Contact:

Post by DPDarkPrimus »

Old Plympto wrote:What happens when Battlestar Galactica VFX wizard Darth Mojo goes to a charity event screening?

First he comments on the event outside.

Then he gives a spoiler-free review.

P.S. Does anyone know who Darth Mojo is? Gary Hutzel? Some Zoic guy?
Darth Mojo wrote:And speaking of this movie’s target audience, please, please, please remember - while the prequels may have only seemed that way, Clone Wars actually is aimed at a younger audience. Just as you wouldn’t watch an animated Batman episode expecting the dramatic complexity of Dark Knight, Clone Wars should be viewed in the same light.
Yeah okay, but BtAS was a pretty fantastic piece of animation targeted at younger audiences. So I guess we'll see if the two should be analogous or not once the series proper starts airing.

Myself, I'm not going to bother paying money to see this in theaters- there are enough films coming out for the next couple months to keep me busy and they'll just show this on television eventually before the rest of the series anyway- see if they don't.
Mayabird is my girlfriend
Justice League:BotM:MM:SDnet City Watch:Cybertron's Finest
"Well then, science is bullshit. "
-revprez, with yet another brilliant rebuttal.
User avatar
Anarchist Bunny
Foul, Cruel, and Bad-Tempered Rodent
Posts: 5458
Joined: 2002-07-12 02:08am
Contact:

Post by Anarchist Bunny »

Eh, as a TV pilot not bad, shouldn't of been in theaters.

Might have potential as a series once everyone gets into the right sort of flow.
//This Line Blank as of 7/15/07\\
Ornithology Subdirector: SD.net Dept. of Biological Sciences
Wiilite
Image
User avatar
Tiriol
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 2038
Joined: 2005-09-15 11:31am
Location: Helsinki, Finland

Post by Tiriol »

Contains some spoilers.

The movie exceeded my expectations. Then again, I didn't expect The Dark Knight -level of of complexity and depth of character and it was pretty clear that the show was aimed at young audience (although the way the clonetroopers conducted themselves in battle was not "child-oriented", they were troopers first and foremost).

I actually smiled and even laughed a bit at the battledroid (type B1) silly little humor. Call me shallow all you want, but sometimes I just like to laugh at Baldrick-esque stupidity freely. It is also noteworthy that the B2 battledroids weren't "silly" - they were brutal and deadly. It seems that there is some type of glitch or error in battledroid programming in the Separatist camp: TPM's battledroids, despite being inefficient, were still "professional" and unemotional. But in RotS, the battledroids had clearly developed personalities and were usually humorous. It would imply that their programming is not up-to-task if they get enough time to develop real personalities. It actually takes away from their level of combat performance (as seen in droid commanders and that droid sergeant). On the other hand, the Separatist general was not your typical cowering and entirely ineffective Neimoidian and was competent enough. It also brought a cackle from me to think that every time the dreaded Asajj Ventress goes against Kenobi OR Skywalker, she utterly and completely fails (Dooku even made hints to that direction).

Although I personally dislike the animation, it was passable and I thought it was also better than the Samurai Jack -style in Clone Wars series. Yes, Dooku's beard was atrocious. However, the space and ground battle eye candy was quite sufficient.

I absolutely hated the little Padawan. Not only is she clearly an underage combatant, she also has all the personality flaws of Anakin in AotC (recklessness, arrogance, show-offness etc.) and the only thing that keeps those qualities in line, in my opinion, is her need to prove herself to be worthy of being a padawan learner. Her outfit also was bad enough that I audibly called her "Mini-Hooker".

All in all, it was entertaining enough. Not too long and certainly nothing near RotS, but it passed time without driving me to boredom. Although I do agree that Padmé was more or less useless (although she did save the Jedi in the end, if only because Jabba was not willing to take his chances that Dooku might still be correct about the Jedi's motives).
Confiteor Deo omnipotenti; beatae Mariae semper Virgini; beato Michaeli Archangelo; sanctis Apostolis, omnibus sanctis... Tibit Pater, quia peccavi nimis, cogitatione, verbo et opere, mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa! Kyrie Eleison!

The Imperial Senate (defunct) * Knights Astrum Clades * The Mess
User avatar
Winston Blake
Sith Devotee
Posts: 2529
Joined: 2004-03-26 01:58am
Location: Australia

Post by Winston Blake »

I liked it, but it squandered a lot of potential. It had many cool things from the 2D series, crammed into a new story without much thought into why they happened. For example, the clonetroopers fighting B1 droids hand-to-hand. IIRC that happened only once in the cartoon, because the trooper's rifle ran out of ammo, and he only did enough buttstroking to give him a chance to grab his sidearm. It was cool though, and I imagine some decision-maker thought 'Let's have more of that!'. R2-D2 (or should I say, 'Artooie', *facepalm*) flying several hundred metres on his jets is probably a similar brain bug. Sometimes less is more.

Overall, events didn't have as much meat behind them as in the cartoon - if Anakin jumped on a giant robot, you could be pretty sure he'd stab it, instead of just standing on top deflecting blaster bolts as in the film. The fight with Ventress at a temple mirrored Anakin's fight with her, although there was actually something at stake there - Anakin was pushed to the brink of the dark side and went from losing hard to kicking ass. In the film, there's just a constant stalemate ending with a draw.

I didn't have a problem with the art style, I thought it helped make clear that this was a 3D-ised cartoon, not virtual-ised live-action. My main gripe is the unprofessional behaviour of Ahsoka - being 'sassy' (read: bratty) and condescending to her superiors in front of their men, for example. Or Anakin and her making a fun race out of a serious operation where some clones were certain to die.

(Spoilers)
There was a small plot hole: if they could detect three life forms coming through the desert, then Dooku should have known that Anakin didn't have the hutlet on him.

I particularly liked how Anakin stole Dooku's repulsorbike - perhaps Anakin got into that position on purpose. Also, it was badass when Obi-wan was calmly dodging Ventress's strikes without his lightsaber.


Tech notes:

Clone jetpacks have great performance.

R2-D2 can fly. Really fly.

B1 droids can be stunned by simply slapping them - their heads spin right round.

Dwarf spider droids appear to have pet-level intelligence (Good shot, boy!)

The Republic appears to be allergic to infantry machine guns. Every clone infantryman is a rifleman - nobody ever digs in with a heavy, long-endurance blaster, even when defending positions.

But yeah, overall I liked it. I expect children would benefit more from the constant restatement of plot points.
User avatar
Connor MacLeod
Sith Apprentice
Posts: 14065
Joined: 2002-08-01 05:03pm
Contact:

Post by Connor MacLeod »

Complexity is overrated. Sometimes you just want a movie for mindless fun and enjoyment and blatantly "over the top" or even "fantastic/unrealistic" stuff can be part of that. I enjoyed the Clone Wars micro-series despite a number of absurdities (biker lancers!) but then again I like 40K and its chainsaw swords.

I havnet seen it, but I plan to soon, and I expect to enjoy it in the sense I might enjoy transformers or a Die Hard/Lethal Weapon movie.
User avatar
VT-16
Sith Marauder
Posts: 4662
Joined: 2004-05-13 10:01am
Location: Norway

Post by VT-16 »

Judging from the extreme reactions I've read for two days now, it's getting pretty clear to me: Noone, not Lucas nor any audiences, know what they want Star Wars to be any more. Prequels? Too much talking. Clone Wars? Too many battles. Original trilogy? ?????

Noone knows what Star Wars is. I'm going to watch this to have fun. :P
User avatar
Ghost Rider
Spirit of Vengeance
Posts: 27779
Joined: 2002-09-24 01:48pm
Location: DC...looking up from the gutters to the stars

Post by Ghost Rider »

Connor MacLeod wrote:Complexity is overrated. Sometimes you just want a movie for mindless fun and enjoyment and blatantly "over the top" or even "fantastic/unrealistic" stuff can be part of that. I enjoyed the Clone Wars micro-series despite a number of absurdities (biker lancers!) but then again I like 40K and its chainsaw swords.

I havnet seen it, but I plan to soon, and I expect to enjoy it in the sense I might enjoy transformers or a Die Hard/Lethal Weapon movie.
Pretty much is what it is.

They shoehorn a plot point near the end, but it was a popcorn flick with lightsaber flashing and blasters with headshots.

For me, I enjoyed that Obi Wan handled Ventress as if she was some lost little girl playing with the big boys.
MM /CF/WG/BOTM/JL/Original Warsie/ACPATHNTDWATGODW FOREVER!!

Sometimes we can choose the path we follow. Sometimes our choices are made for us. And sometimes we have no choice at all

Saying and doing are chocolate and concrete
User avatar
Skylon
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 1657
Joined: 2005-01-12 04:55pm
Location: New York
Contact:

Post by Skylon »

Saw it on Friday, with great trepidation. Initially I was expecting "okay", then the initial reviews had me expecting an utter train-wreak, leaving me leery, but the girlfriend was adamant about still seeing it, so we did. After seeing it, I am back to feeling it was okay.

Like the Clone Wars cartoon it felt more peppy, more fun than the prequels in some way. It wasn't epic, but it was fun. The voice-actors all did well, in some ways better than their counter-parts in the films. Ahsoko, started out annoying, but became less so. The Battle Droids were a bit too dumb. Nothing annoyed me more than Zero the Hutt (someone just gave up in the name department).

Dooku was given more to do, which I liked. The Clone Troopers are always fun to watch. Anakin, was dear God, not annoying. I liked the little touches like the Jawa's clepto tendencies, the 40's big-band feel of Zero's club...that's just some of the things I liked off-hand.

I agree though, there is no reason this couldn't have just aired on the TV. I might have liked it more, and excused some of the more childish moments.

Further, and this is something that I've been thinking since I saw the first trailer, how about doing something in this same vein, set during the original trilogy, with, ya know, characters I'm more into (Luke, Han, Leia, Chewie etc)?

Oh, and the baby Hutt reminded me of a friend of mines pug dog.
-A.L.
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence...Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'press on' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race." - Calvin Coolidge

"If you're falling off a cliff you may as well try to fly, you've got nothing to lose." - John Sheridan (Babylon 5)

"Sometimes you got to roll the hard six." - William Adama (Battlestar Galactica)
User avatar
Terralthra
Requiescat in Pace
Posts: 4741
Joined: 2007-10-05 09:55pm
Location: San Francisco, California, United States

Post by Terralthra »

I saw this last night, and enjoyed the hell out of it. It was a childish romp along the lines of Transformers or G.I. Joe, but it was a well-made childish romp, in my opinion.

The B1 battle droid humor was silly, but it made me laugh. When it comes right down to it, there's no reason for remote-controlled droids to talk vocally to each other at all, so I don't see how them talking to each other in a humorous fashion chafes anyone's willie.

Also, for the FTL speed wankers, Jabba gives them one planetary rotation to get his son back. In that time, Obi-Wan flies from Tatooine to the planet where his son is held, engages in a battle, and then Anakin flies back from that planet to Tatooine, and when he lands there, the time limit hasn't expired.
User avatar
Darwin
Jedi Master
Posts: 1177
Joined: 2002-07-08 04:31pm

Post by Darwin »

Shannon wrote: -The droids attacking Anakin's ship above Tatooine are apparently flying Utapauan P-38s, which seems a bit odd.
Utapau was only liberated at the very end of the Clone Wars, so this isn't TOO odd. Based on Lego and Wookiepedia, the P-38's were the fighter choice of Grievous's droid bodyguards. Have to admit it's a pretty design (though not as 'cool hot rod' as Grievous's B-22)
User avatar
Anguirus
Sith Marauder
Posts: 3702
Joined: 2005-09-11 02:36pm
Contact:

Post by Anguirus »

Utapau was only liberated at the very end of the Clone Wars, so this isn't TOO odd.
Yeah, but according to RotS the novel, it was only conquered at the very end of the Clone Wars. :lol:
"I spit on metaphysics, sir."

"I pity the woman you marry." -Liberty

This is the guy they want to use to win over "young people?" Are they completely daft? I'd rather vote for a pile of shit than a Jesus freak social regressive.
Here's hoping that his political career goes down in flames and, hopefully, a hilarious gay sex scandal.
-Tanasinn
You can't expect sodomy to ruin every conservative politician in this country. -Battlehymn Republic
My blog, please check out and comment! http://decepticylon.blogspot.com
User avatar
Darth Wong
Sith Lord
Sith Lord
Posts: 70028
Joined: 2002-07-03 12:25am
Location: Toronto, Canada
Contact:

Post by Darth Wong »

As usual with recent SW products, most of the people bashing it here haven't even bothered watching it first. It's like a broken record.

No, it isn't going to make you cry or ponder the meaning of human existence or think about the deeper aspects of society or the concept of good and evil. It's a fairly shallow serialized movie, mad primarily for kids. That said, I would watch this movie ten times in a row before I watched last year's Academy Award nominees again*.

People simply subject any George Lucas product to unreasonable expectations. Or to be more precise, incompatible expectations. He never claimed this was going to be anything other than an animated Star Wars movie for kids; why the fuck are people assailing it for failing to be Lawrence of Arabia?

We all know it's basically just a pilot for an upcoming show on the Cartoon Network. No one has even tried to deny it. So why are people angry at it for being nothing more than ... a pilot for an upcoming show on the Cartoon Network? Seriously, what were they expecting? Half the reviews seem to be -savaging it for being nothing more than a glorified TV pilot; that's exactly what it is! What's the point of complaining about a film that is what it was supposed to be? Should people also attack the upcoming Death Race movie for failing to include any deep human emotional stories? That's not what it's supposed to do.








* Technically, I've only seen 4 of the 5 nominees for Best Motion Picture: I saw Atonement, No Country For Old Men, There Will Be Blood, and Michael Clayton. And yes, I would watch happily Clone Wars ten times in a row rather than watch those movies again. I will reserve judgment on the last nominee (Juno) until I see it.
Image
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing

"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC

"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness

"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Mike/RantMode/Blurbs.html
JLTucker
BANNED
Posts: 3043
Joined: 2006-02-26 01:58am

Post by JLTucker »

Darth Wong wrote:That said, I would watch this movie ten times in a row before I watched last year's Academy Award nominees again*.
In my opinion, last year's Best Picture nominations are "one-watch" films, meaning that they are not good enough or are too boring to watch again. And the film that won Best Picture didn't deserve it, in my opinion.

Anyway, I'll watch this when it comes out on DVD. There's other films I want to see later this year.
User avatar
Darth Wong
Sith Lord
Sith Lord
Posts: 70028
Joined: 2002-07-03 12:25am
Location: Toronto, Canada
Contact:

Post by Darth Wong »

JLTucker wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:That said, I would watch this movie ten times in a row before I watched last year's Academy Award nominees again*.
In my opinion, last year's Best Picture nominations are "one-watch" films, meaning that they are not good enough or are too boring to watch again. And the film that won Best Picture didn't deserve it, in my opinion.
Last year's Best Picture nominees (possibly excepting Juno, which I haven't seen yet) were not even one-watch films. They were films where, upon seeing the end credits, I wished I had done something more entertaining instead, like picking lint from my toenails, sorting the recycling, or cleaning the rain guttters.
Image
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing

"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC

"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness

"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Mike/RantMode/Blurbs.html
User avatar
Coalition
Jedi Master
Posts: 1237
Joined: 2002-09-13 11:46am
Contact:

Post by Coalition »

Bounty wrote:
Jim Raynor wrote:What the fuck is with this retarded "first female Jedi" talk? There were multiple female Jedi in the movies.
In itty-bitty guest parts. There was that blue chick, and... well... did I miss anyone?
Jocasta Nu, the librarian
Adi Gallia
Barris Offee
Shaak Ti
Luminara

The librarian would be the key one you missed.

(Also keeping an eye on this thread to see if I should watch the movie at full price, or wait until it hits the cheap theater.)
User avatar
Dartzap
Sith Acolyte
Posts: 5969
Joined: 2002-09-05 09:56am
Location: Britain, Britain, Britain: Land Of Rain
Contact:

Post by Dartzap »

Saw it last night, witha grand total of 12 people in a 300 seat cinema :lol: All of them 20 -30 years old :wink:

I really did enjoy it. The humour was chuckle worthy, the one liners cheesy, the plot simple yet bonkers. Perfect Star Wars, really! and the battles were very purty. I actually found the art style very suitable for the SW universe, and I could almost imagine something similar being done for 40K
EBC: Northeners, Huh! What are they good for?! Absolutely nothing! :P

Cybertron, Justice league...MM, HAB SDN City Watch: Sergeant Detritus

Days Unstabbed, Unabused, Unassualted and Unwavedatwithabutchersknife: 0
User avatar
Darth Wong
Sith Lord
Sith Lord
Posts: 70028
Joined: 2002-07-03 12:25am
Location: Toronto, Canada
Contact:

Post by Darth Wong »

Dartzap wrote:Saw it last night, witha grand total of 12 people in a 300 seat cinema :lol: All of them 20 -30 years old :wink:

I really did enjoy it. The humour was chuckle worthy, the one liners cheesy, the plot simple yet bonkers. Perfect Star Wars, really! and the battles were very purty. I actually found the art style very suitable for the SW universe, and I could almost imagine something similar being done for 40K
Doesn't anybody have kids where you live?
Image
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing

"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC

"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness

"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Mike/RantMode/Blurbs.html
User avatar
Kuja
The Dark Messenger
Posts: 19322
Joined: 2002-07-11 12:05am
Location: AZ

Post by Kuja »

Darth Wong wrote:
Dartzap wrote:Saw it last night, witha grand total of 12 people in a 300 seat cinema :lol: All of them 20 -30 years old :wink:

I really did enjoy it. The humour was chuckle worthy, the one liners cheesy, the plot simple yet bonkers. Perfect Star Wars, really! and the battles were very purty. I actually found the art style very suitable for the SW universe, and I could almost imagine something similar being done for 40K
Doesn't anybody have kids where you live?
If he saw it Sunday night, chances are the kids saw it the day before and are now going to bed for school tomorrow. :)


I thought it was fun. Snips had a good role, I thought she managed to balance being a Jedi and being a normal loudmouth 14-year-old fairly well, without being unrealistically annoying. The battle droid humor made me laugh, I didn't really care how absurd it was.

And thanks to Clone Wars, we now know what a Hutt drag queen looks like. :shock:
Image
JADAFETWA
Post Reply