The un-insane Ship Design Thread

[MKSheppard]

Three Ground Rules:

1.) Nothing over 2,000 ft
2.) No Made-up Weapons
3.) It has to be plausibly sensible.

First Entries:

Howedar's Entry

Misc HELP things

Shipbucket

Things to help Drawing

NOTE: This is based on taking pieces of other folks' drawings, so some note of credit to them for the originals would be nice.

[MKSheppard]

My Entry using parts hacked together from the Albany, Iowa, Virginia, etc etc and miscellaneous parts.

[Venator]

2.) No Made-up Weapons

Does that include weapons in the pipeline, but not yet in use/production, like the USNs railguns?

[darthkommandant]

Are hypothetical modernized ships allowed?
If so here is my entry Modernized Gneisenau.

Hull credit to Colosseum & Hood/Tornado on the Shipbucket link. Missiles and radar to whomever put together the things to help drawing list.

A larger version can be found Here

[phongn]

Does that include weapons in the pipeline, but not yet in use/production, like the USNs railguns?

No railguns, coilguns, etc.

[Venator]

Does that include weapons in the pipeline, but not yet in use/production, like the USNs railguns?

No railguns, coilguns, etc.

Gotcha, I'll work on mine tonight then.

[Venator]

My first try - I don't know much about naval design or modern marine ordinance, so don't kill me .

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c348/ ... e/Ship.gif

Designed for close-medium range support of forces on land, or fleet defense and patrol.

The gunboats are anchored to the hull, recovery and launch assisted by the cranes.

The launch pads of the Harriers rotate to a steep angle and are fitted with takeoff boosters, allowing vertical takeoff without compromising weapons load.

I hacked it together out of the Russian Kirov, hull shortened, and the superstructure from the Turkish Barbaros class, plus some of my own drawing (i.e. all the non-detailed parts).

*Cringes awaiting judgement*

[MKSheppard]

another entry by me

Weee

Hacked together from one of Howies' designs and some shipbucket parts..

[Thanas]

Are hypothetical modernized ships allowed?
If so here is my entry Modernized Gneisenau.

Hull credit to Colosseum & Hood/Tornado on the Shipbucket link. Missiles and radar to whomever put together the things to help drawing list.

A larger version can be found in my Here

That one looks excellent. My congratulations on a job well done.


And of course, the necessary followup - will you do more?

[MKSheppard]

Howie Entry 1

Howie Entry 2

[tim31]

That second one is positively phallic. I like it!

[darthkommandant]

Are hypothetical modernized ships allowed?
If so here is my entry Modernized Gneisenau.

Hull credit to Colosseum & Hood/Tornado on the Shipbucket link. Missiles and radar to whomever put together the things to help drawing list.

A larger version can be found in my Here

That one looks excellent. My congratulations on a job well done.


And of course, the necessary followup - will you do more?

Very well here is a Modernized HMS Hood. Hull Credit to Wakazashi on shipbucket album.

[Alan Bolte]

Is there any benefit to using rail launchers as opposed to VLS?

[phongn]

Is there any benefit to using rail launchers as opposed to VLS?

You can point the missiles in the right direction.

[RogueIce]

So far I think Howedar's first entries are some of the best. They just look like something you'd see on the seas. I know it's all supposed to be plausible but some of the other designs just don't seem like something they'd really go to the trouble of designing and deploying.

[fractalsponge1]

Is there any benefit to using rail launchers as opposed to VLS?

You can point the missiles in the right direction.

Actually rail launchers are fairly inefficient. Low rate of fire, higher risk of mechanical failure, lack of modularity, low flexibility in ammunition, lower density of shot than a VLS. Almost all modern naval missile systems are moving to vertical launch systems now. And bearing is not really an issue; a missile can execute a snap turn rather quickly once it's out of the tube. In fact, if you add a booster to propel the missile out of the VLS, you can have a greater missile range than a rail-launched missile (i.e. VL Sea Wolf).

[phongn]

Actually rail launchers are fairly inefficient. Low rate of fire, higher risk of mechanical failure, lack of modularity, low flexibility in ammunition, lower density of shot than a VLS. Almost all modern naval missile systems are moving to vertical launch systems now. And bearing is not really an issue; a missile can execute a snap turn rather quickly once it's out of the tube. In fact, if you add a booster to propel the missile out of the VLS, you can have a greater missile range than a rail-launched missile (i.e. VL Sea Wolf).

I'm quite aware at the advantages of VLS, though it should be noted that not all missiles can do a snap-turn.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Howie Entry 1

Howie Entry 2

Holy shit. The second one probably emits so much EM energy you could fry an egg or more on it.

[Thanas]

Very well here is a Modernized HMS Hood. Hull Credit to Wakazashi on shipbucket album.

Another job well done.

[Galvatron]

Can we see them in battloid mode?

[The Duchess of Zeon]

Per the concept introduced in Where There Ain't no Ten Commandments and continued in The Aftermath, the first of my Cold War / Modern series of ship designs for Kætjhasti.

Note that RKN stands for Rauhiranya ha Kætjhasti Navasti--"Navasti" being a loan word from the Portuguese (derived from Nãve) which is used for warships in Kaetjh Javanese (which is about to modern Javanese as Romanian is to Spanish), the primary language of the nation, while a different word derived from the name "Star Raft" for the great junks of Zheng He is used for large merchant ships.

The ship is here:



Designed and created by myself with credits to Alexia for hosting it and cleaning it up.

Kamunashjhad-class CBGs,
Kamunashjhad, Sri Rijhada; commissioned 1957 - 1958 respectively.
Dimensions:
Length: 247.2 meters overall
Beam: 30 meters.
Draft: 10.3 meters at full load.
Full load displacement: 41,200 tonnes.
Maximum speed: 33.5kts designed service; 34.5kts achieved in extremely lightened state on trials.
Armament (as designed):
6 x 11.1in/50cal SK L/50 in two triple turrets.
2 x KI-3 Kulkarna twin-arm SAM launchers (4 arms total), 96 missiles in the forward magazine, 56 missiles in the aft magazine.
2 x KI-4 Srimarta twin-arm SAM launchers (4 arms total), 48 missiles in each beam magazine.
8 x 4.1in/65cal SK C/33 in four twin turrets (Dop. L. C/38).
2 x Triple 53.3cm ASW torpedo launchers (prior to the development of lightweight mounts with smaller, dedicated torpedoes, these homing torpedoes were the only ASW armament actually fitted.
2 x ASW mortar launchers mounted right aft were planned but never fitted; the area was instead cleared for a single extremely small helicopter and provision made for carrying fuel and armament for it under the deck where the mortars would have been installed. A collapsible hangar was also fitted but rarely used in practice.
1 x 'midships launching rail for Rikata nuclear cruise missiles with six carried.
Armour: 350mm belt; 140mm deck (over three decks).

Design history: The Kamunashjhad class were conceived as cruiser-killers when WW2 began; after the Japanese surprise attacks on Kætjhasti in February of 1942, the design was ordered into high gear. As originally proposed, the ships were to be armed with 12 x 11.1in/55cal guns of a native design in four triple turrets. It soon became apparent, however, that the design was overloaded for the proposed armament, which was also considered excessive as the harsh experience of the early part of the war guaranteed the need for extensive anti-aircraft requirements; the anti-aircraft battery was revised to 24 x 4.1in/65cal over 16 x 4.1in/65cal, with four additional twin turrets being added aft and the fourth 11.1in turret deleted. Construction on the two ships of this class began by the end of 1942, and proceeded until the end of the war with progressively less and less importance, to the point that the turrets and guns were not fabricated, and construction ultimated halted with the hull complete but the superstructure only partially so.

The hulls were retained for possible other use, and conversion to carriers was considered due to the immense losses in the Kætjhasti carrier fleet in the war; the design was, however, considered unnecessary, with eight fleet carriers both available and the only force the Empire could afford. With the dawn of the missile age, problems multiplied for the RKN. Manning needs were to be reduced where possible, which led CNO Samijha Fernandez (of the famous Fernandez family of 16th century shipwrecks) to conclude that the battleship force was doomed; the two in active service and two in reserve would have to go, but a strong gun armament ought be retained. Design studies on their modification into missile ships faltered on the need to trim manning requirements and their speed being insufficient to keep up with the fast carriers.

Attention turned to the Kamunashjhad class, which promised both the missile firepower required, with two long-range and two short-range launchers, and the retention of some kind of heavy gun capability in the fleet. The design, involving the deletion of 16 of the proposed 4.1in guns--the elimination of eight twin mounts--the seaplane capability, all the innumerable autocannons originally planned, and Turret Bruno, promised the major capability that was greatly desired in the fleet, combining bombardment ship and missile cruiser in the same platform. For the turrets themselves, four would be required, the same number from an old WW1 vintage battleship then being scrapped; the turret rings were compatible in diameter, and so the decision was made to preserve the turrets for installation on the two Kamunashjhad class ships, accepting the reduced range of the lower elevation (ultimately modified to 32 degrees) 50cal's for the reduced cost when the armour and heavy gun industry had largely collapsed in the wake of the end of WW2.

Conversion and completion was accordingly begun as early as 1952, with the completion of the first ship on 2 December 1957, the Kamunashjhad herself, the Sri Rijhada following on 6 June 1958. With the completion of these vessels the very first Kætjhasti missile ships were in service, possessing a comparable firepower to the Albany-class CGs of the USN which were commissioned several years later, but with the retention of an immense gun armament--on a hull, however, 24,000 tons larger and with a substantially larger crew.

Operational History:

The ships remained flagships of carrier forces--designed for that task where the carriers themselves were not--for their entire lives, the premier fleet elements of the RKN. Except for minor refits their service was continuous from 1957/58 to 1974, when the Kamunashjhad was removed from service for two years for an extensive refit including a complete upgrade to her electronics systems and massive modifications to the armament. Once she returned to service in 1976, the Sri Rijhada followed, returning to service in 1978. With these changes the ships continued in active duty service until 1990, when both were placed in the ready reserve on the completion of the last of the Lajhama-class CSGNs which were meant to provide a full replacement for every single class of cruiser in the entire navy (12 cruisers replaced by 5). The ships remained in ready reserve until late 1993, when they were placed in limited preservation reserve until 1997 and decommissioned in that year; both were subsequently acquired as museum ships.

Their only operational combat service was against Indonesia in the 1973 Timor Boundary Incident, when the Sri Rijhada was credited with using a Kulkarna missile to successfully shoot down an Indonesian Mig-17, the only successful operational combat use of these missiles.

Armament after 1970s refits:
6 x 11.1in/50cal SK L/50 in two triple turrets.
2 x KI-28 twin-arm launchers for Samandha medium/long range SAMs.
2 x KI-30 10-cell box launchers for Slikha short-range SAMs.
8 x 4.1in/65cal SK C/33 in four twin turrets (Dop. L. C/38).
4 x WIR-14 anti-torpedo rocket launchers.
16 x Nakama SSM in four quadruple launchers amidships.

Added in the 1980s:

4 x Phalanx; provision for two UAVs aft.

[Atlan]

Meh, made lots of em, but the Type 46 "Tiger" class cruiser I worked up for The Last War is still my favorite. The location of the second VLS group is correct. It was part of a proposal for lengthening the T45, which would also have included moving the second engine room aft. I offset the aft exhaust in order for the gasses to clear the radar.
Forward VLS is supposed to hold 64 cells, the aft 48. The only missile not actually real is the ramjet powered Garfish, but IRL that and the VLS Seawolf would be Aster missiles :

[MKSheppard]

I know it's all supposed to be plausible but some of the other designs just don't seem like something they'd really go to the trouble of designing and deploying.

Actually, you're wrong.

I took heavy design cues for my DLGN and CLGN from the proposed TYPHON ships:




Typhon DLGN SCB 277

As for my "three dome" ship, it was basically around the requirements for putting a navalized NIKE-HERCULES/AJAX site to sea. Each of the three domes covers a land-based radar with a specific task:

Big one on top of Bridge: Large 2D Air Search Radar.

Two ones On either side of launcher: First one tracks the missile, the second tracks the target. They also provide secondary 3D Heightfinding after being cued from the 2D Air search.

[phongn]

CBGN-1

Displacement: ~26000 tons
Propulsion: Nuclear-electric drive
Armament: 128 Mk. 41 VLS cells, 3 'Terminator' CIWS, 155mm AGS, antisubmarine/torpedo rocket launchers

One of Howedar's designs, this ship was inspired by a picture of the Cobra Judy radar used aboard one of the missile test range ships. Armed with 16 KEI, 128 VLS and three combined 30mm/RAM CIWS emplacements along with antisubmarine rockets, this ship is intended as both flagship and missile-defense ship, capable of engaging enemy ICBMs in the boost phase.

[RogueIce]

I know it's all supposed to be plausible but some of the other designs just don't seem like something they'd really go to the trouble of designing and deploying.

Actually, you're wrong.

*snip*

Huh, learn something new everyday.

And yes, I know I'm about two months late in this reply.

I still think Howedar's designs are sexier though.