Orson Scott Card to overthrow US gov't over gay marriage

[Galvatron]

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How long before married people answer the dictators thus: Regardless of law, marriage has only one definition, and any government that attempts to change it is my mortal enemy. I will act to destroy that government and bring it down, so it can be replaced with a government that will respect and support marriage, and help me raise my children in a society where they will expect to marry in their turn.

Is sedition still a crime?

[Illuminatus Primus]

What a fucking clown.

Has he taken a basic anthropology course before? I mean, really. He thinks marriage only comes in the modern Christian format?

[Galvatron]

He's already testing toddlers for his newly established Battle School.

[SirNitram]

Careful, buddy. We god hating liberals still have Calculus. You know we can use that to bring you stupid addition-challenged retards down!

(To make sense of this, he has the conservative, god-fearing, moral government of the US react in shock when 'Liberal guerillas' seize the capital by, get this, calculus. Or as non-morons refer to it, indirect artillery fire and counterbattery fire. What book? Empire.)

[CmdrWilkens]

He's already testing toddlers for his newly established Battle School.

Then after they leave his students will lead a massive Muslim uprising that shatters because those damn dirty arabs don't know how to govern just fuck people over. Oh yes and the Indians and Chinese will kill each other too because if those heathens have a superb military commander they will crush all before them unlike good Christian and meek Armenia.

[Broomstick]

Orson Scott Card is Mormon, a former missionary, and I believe he's a minister in his church.

What the fuck do you expect from him? His religion dictates his view on this issue. He can go to fucking Utah and play Nation of Desseret all he wants to appease the false God of his fraudulent religion.

[Pelranius]

He's obviously been reading Mein Kampf while doing whatever substance that's allowed/not yet prohibited under Mormon strictures.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Is sedition still a crime?

Only when its rabble-rousers and socialists.

[General Zod]

What a fucking tool. I still haven't forgiven him for butchering Iron Man's origin in Ultimate Iron man. . .this just makes me despise him even more.

[Saxtonite]

Orson Scott Card is Mormon, a former missionary, and I believe he's a minister in his church.

What the fuck do you expect from him? His religion dictates his view on this issue. He can go to fucking Utah and play Nation of Desseret all he wants to appease the false God of his fraudulent religion.

I did not know he was a fundamentalist mormon, this was surprising given his sci-fi novels.

[J]

I did not know he was a fundamentalist mormon, this was surprising given his sci-fi novels.

I take it you haven't read Empire yet? Don't rush out to read it if you haven't, it's bad, really painfully bad.

[SirNitram]

Shit, his Mormon blatancy is well before Empire, where evil liberals win via math. It starts with Homecoming Saga, where the thirteenth tribe of Earth returns.

Wish I was fucking making that up.

[J]

Oh god, I thought I had Homecoming permanently repressed, thanks, thanks a lot. I'm remembering things I wish I didn't.

[Saxtonite]

I did not know he was a fundamentalist mormon, this was surprising given his sci-fi novels.

I take it you haven't read Empire yet? Don't rush out to read it if you haven't, it's bad, really painfully bad.

a while ago I read through the first chapter and read the back page, I didn't know he wrote it..

[Stormbringer]

Orson Scott Card is Mormon, a former missionary, and I believe he's a minister in his church.

What the fuck do you expect from him? His religion dictates his view on this issue. He can go to fucking Utah and play Nation of Desseret all he wants to appease the false God of his fraudulent religion.

I did not know he was a fundamentalist mormon, this was surprising given his sci-fi novels.

At one point, he wasn't nearly so rabid and in fact some what liberal. But like a lot of people, he drifted back into evangelical douchebaggery as he got older. By now he's degenerated into a lunatic parody of himself.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

"Laws against homosexual behavior should remain on the books, not to be indiscriminately enforced against anyone who happens to be caught violating them, but to be used when necessary to send a clear message that those who flagrantly violate society's regulation of sexual behavior cannot be permitted to remain as acceptable, equal citizens within that society. The goal of the polity is not to put homosexuals in jail. The goal is to discourage people from engaging in homosexual practices in the first place, and, when they nevertheless proceed in their homosexual behavior, to encourage them to do so discreetly, so as not to shake the confidence of the community in the polity's ability to provide rules for safe, stable, dependable marriage and family relationships."
- Orson Scott Card, 1990

Orson Scott Card uniquely favours anti-gay laws not to ban gay relationships as such, and does not even advocate the fair and even-handed enforcement of laws against gays, but rather wants them so they can be used to terrorize the gay community. This guy is a real piece of work with no respect for the law whatsoever. He also claims this means he's not homophobic because it's more "humane" than indescriminate enforcement of the laws.

[Alyrium Denryle]

"Laws against homosexual behavior should remain on the books, not to be indiscriminately enforced against anyone who happens to be caught violating them, but to be used when necessary to send a clear message that those who flagrantly violate society's regulation of sexual behavior cannot be permitted to remain as acceptable, equal citizens within that society. The goal of the polity is not to put homosexuals in jail. The goal is to discourage people from engaging in homosexual practices in the first place, and, when they nevertheless proceed in their homosexual behavior, to encourage them to do so discreetly, so as not to shake the confidence of the community in the polity's ability to provide rules for safe, stable, dependable marriage and family relationships."
- Orson Scott Card, 1990

Orson Scott Card uniquely favours anti-gay laws not to ban gay relationships as such, and does not even advocate the fair and even-handed enforcement of laws against gays, but rather wants them so they can be used to terrorize the gay community. This guy is a real piece of work with no respect for the law whatsoever. He also claims this means he's not homophobic because it's more "humane" than indescriminate enforcement of the laws.

So I take it this guy is all for giving people a reduced sentence for anti-gay hate crimes so as to terrorize the gay community into the closet as well?

[Kanastrous]

I had no idea Card was such an asshat.

Wow.

[Gerald Tarrant]

Shit, his Mormon blatancy is well before Empire, where evil liberals win via math. It starts with Homecoming Saga, where the thirteenth tribe of Earth returns.

Wish I was fucking making that up.

If that's the saga of the Ships of Earth, it gets worse. It's pretty much the story of the first half of the Book of Mormon. Some Sci-fi elements grafted on, some religious elements hidden, but the basic story is the same.

[Vympel]

The ridiculous formulation of gay marriage being a "threat" to heterosexual marriage has always just killed me. Could these morons even begin to justify how this formulation makes sense? What, are they afraid all of their "traditional" marriages will collapse and the husbands and wives will run out and get gay-married?

[SpacedTeddyBear]

The ridiculous formulation of gay marriage being a "threat" to heterosexual marriage has always just killed me. Could these morons even begin to justify how this formulation makes sense? What, are they afraid all of their "traditional" marriages will collapse and the husbands and wives will run out and get gay-married?

That's exactly why they are afraid of legalizing gay marriage. Every aspect of our society must be defined by their biblical moral standards, otherwise any contrary behavior is a threat to their own way of life.

[Elfdart]

My sig sums up this wanker.

[Elfdart]

Here's more:

http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4424.html

http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4424.html

http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4459.html

http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4465.html

http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6360.html (these are reviews of Empire, Card's Magnum Onan-us)

http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/9271.html (he becomes an amateur Shit Boater in this one)

What a douche nozzle!

[Darth Raptor]

Now I don't feel the crushing nerd guilt over not having read any OSC I felt until five minutes ago.

[Sidewinder]

I didn't know Orson Scott Card was a religious fanatic. (The only work of Card I've read is 'Seventh Son', which I quickly lost interest in and never finished.) The guy makes George W. Bush look like a liberal.

We agree, by law, to make it a crime to take what belongs to others -- even when you need it more than they do. Every aspect of our lives is affected by this, and not for a moment could a society exist that did not protect the right of property.

If property rights were utterly abolished, and you could own nothing, you would leave that society as quickly as possible -- or create a new society that agreed to respect each other's property rights and protected them from outsiders who would attempt to take away your property.

Marriage is, if anything, more vital, more central, than property.

Husbands need to have the whole society agree that when they marry, their wives are off limits to all other males. He has a right to trust that all his wife's children would be his.

Wives need to have the whole society agree that when they marry, their husband is off limits to all other females. All of his protection and earning power will be devoted to her and her children, and will not be divided with other women and their children.

I wonder if he realizes that, by comparing the sanctity of marriage with property rights, he's stating that one's spouse is one's property, i.e., a SLAVE.

Besides, I don't think fidelity to one's spouse is threatened by the legalization of gay marriage; it might even help heterosexuals avoid unhappy marriages with homosexuals, by encouraging the homosexuals to marry each other and remove themselves from a heterosexual's list of potential spouses. (Personally, I don't give a damn if gay marriage is legalized or outlawed; it's not my problem. I don't give a damn if a coworker or close relative is gay or straight, as long as they leave me alone.)

Married people attempting to raise children with the hope that they, in turn, will be reproductively successful, have every reason to oppose the normalization of homosexual unions.

It's about grandchildren. That's what all life is about. It's not enough just to spawn -- your offspring must grow up in circumstances that will maximize their reproductive opportunities.

The Nazis and the Communists also tried to make their citizens "reproductively successful." In the Nazis' case, it served to justify the invasion of other nations for "Lebensraum," while those who comply with the Communist governments' mandate to breed, are often forced to watch their children starve to death because they couldn't provide for the children.

Meanwhile, overpopulation and competition for increasingly scarce resources threaten to put everyone else in the same positions, i.e., to justify the invasion of other nations for those resources, or to watch one's children starve to death.

How long before married people answer the dictators thus: Regardless of law, marriage has only one definition, and any government that attempts to change it is my mortal enemy. I will act to destroy that government and bring it down, so it can be replaced with a government that will respect and support marriage, and help me raise my children in a society where they will expect to marry in their turn.

Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union both criminalized homosexuality to "respect and support marriage, and help [their citizens] raise [their] children in a society where [the children] will expect to marry in their turn." Is any sane person willing to resurrect either government? Is living next door to a gay couple really worse than having the Gestapo, the SS, and/or the KGB spy on you and, at the first sign of dissent, ship you off to a prison or concentration camp, to be executed without due process or to be enslaved until "Arbeit macht frei" in death?

Biological imperatives trump laws.

I've been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome, which researchers believe is due to genetic factors, i.e., BIOLOGICAL IMPERATIVES. One unfortunate symptom is obsessive and/or abnormal thoughts, like the mass murder and cannibalism described in my fan fiction. If Card is right and biological imperatives DO trump laws, does this mean I can get firearms, explosives, and edged weapons and begin murdering and eating people I randomly come across?