Palin Discussion [split]

[Skylon]

Oh, dear Jesus, let's stop hearing "Commander of Alaska's National Guard" right, fucking now. EVERY Governor holds that title for their state. You're not going to be in the field with them in the event "Red Dawn" becomes a reality.

[Max]

Somewhere, the faint pop of Anne Coulter's head exploding can be heard.

I really dunno about this. I know neo-cons were on their knees, praying for Romney, but on the surface, she seems conservative enough for them.

I think it was a brilliant choice, except I'm not sure how formidable she is. It's pretty easy to imagine Biden utterly wiping the floor with her in the VP debate based on what I'm hearing now.

Yeah.. but she's a woman. IIRC, Anne doesn't think women should vote, let alone run our country. On top of the fact that she publicly endorsed Hillary over McCain.

*shrug* It was a joke, it made me giggle.

[Kodiak]

Oh, dear Jesus, let's stop hearing "Commander of Alaska's National Guard" right, fucking now. EVERY Governor holds that title for their state. You're not going to be in the field with them in the event "Red Dawn" becomes a reality.

And that's where you're WRONG! She's been working on the Alaskan bear-cavalry for years now, and she's not afraid to use them against her enemies.

[Skylon]

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Yeah.. but she's a woman. IIRC, Anne doesn't think women should vote, let alone run our country.

So, if I ever see Anne Coulter should I just smack her ass and say "bitch, shut up and make me a sandwich, your place is the kitchen"?

I know she was psycho, I never caught THAT one.

[The Original Nex]

reposted from the other thread

Looking at the other boards and juding at their view for the US elections...I am REALLY afriad that McCain can win...

I am too... At this very moment, I am positive millions of women across america are going "I was going to vote for Obama... But now Im going to vote for McCain! HEhas a women on HIS ticket!"

Because, you can NOT underestimate Americans stupidity

Once it comes out how virulently pro-life she is any woman who wasn't about to vote McCain anyways will come running back to Obama. Not to mention that the REPUBLICANS, the party of sexists and racists, has plenty of it's own voters who will not vote for a woman.

This is a bad and desperate pick by a bad and desperate campaign.

[RedImperator]

How in the world do you pick a VP with an active investigation of abuse of power hanging over her head, one instigated by her own party in the legislature?

[Covenant]

This doesn't make any sense. This is a terrible ticket. Romney or Crist would have been cynical but potent tickets and adding someone like Huckabee would have shored up McCain's flighty Evangelical base while also getting a good public speaker into his staff to deliver the stuff McCain never seems to state with enough enthusiasm.

But Palin? Okay, so, her big merits are ovaries, energy, and overturning Roe v Wade? This isn't going to appeal to women voters or male voters or any voters outside of the demographic that McCain already has locked up. It may energize ultraconservative women voters, but who cares, they aren't Hillary people anyway. When many women wanted to vote for McCain, they cited his neutral stance on abortion as a reason--but they were wrong, McCain is pro-life. Adding Palin to the ticket is going to make it extremely difficult for those women to remain in McCain's camp, let alone attract new ones from the independant and liberal-leaning women's groups.

I think not only is Biden going to chew her up and spit her out while behaving himself like a Yankee gentleman in the V.P. debates, but Hillary herself has many good reasons to come out and absolutely eviscerate this woman. I've got nothing good to say about her yet, since everyone else except McCain in this race also has a lot of kids. Being a mother rather than a father should not be that much greater an appeal to women, and I hope it won't be.

[Dalton]

What was her intro music?

[Mr Bean]

I'd like to congradulation Senator McCain on selecting someone who faces possible corruption charges as we speak, truely there is not greater symbol of the Republican party than a Hard Core Conservative currently being investigate for Corruption(FYI She's not a Neo-Con, Conservative yes, but the We must conqueror the world for the sake of Jesus she is not)

That said she is in favor of
Lower Taxes(To the point at which it makes no sense)
High Defense Spending
Kick-Backs
The War in Iraq(But not in Iran)
"W"
Overturning Roe V Wade
And official corruption(Innocent until condemned by the media and all)

[irishmick79]

Ok, now I fucking loathe McCain. Selecting Palin isn't a cheap ploy to entice Hillary voters at all, it's a cheap ploy to create a sense of victimization amongst more conservative female voters who otherwise would stay home.

I just don't think that there are many Hillary voters out there who would jump to McCain because he picks a staunchly conservative VP candidate who happens to be female. Palin is a cynical pick aimed squarely at turning out the GOP base who for the most part is turned off by McCain. It's an effort to manufacture sexism charges against Obama, so the GOP can use it as a wedge to rally conservative voters to the polls out of a sense of injustice in response to the inevitable democrat attacks on Palin's record.

It's cynical, pandering, and divisive politics at its worst. Fuck John McCain. Goddamn dickhole.

[sketerpot]

They'll still throw around the inexperience shit, but when the Dems try and throw it back they'll cry 'sexism!'

So get Hillary to accuse Palin of inexperience. She practiced that shtick for a long time on Obama, so she damn well ought to be good at it by now.

[Phil Skayhan]

For those (like myself) who were wondering what the abuse of power investigation is:

By Manu Raju
Posted: 08/29/08 11:47 AM [ET]
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R), Sen. John McCain’s (R-Ariz.) running mate, faces an investigation over her controversial firing of a public safety commissioner.

State lawmakers approved an investigation late last month into whether the governor retaliated against former commissioner Walt Monegan for not firing a state trooper entangled in a divorce and ongoing custody battle with Palin’s sister. The investigation will also examine whether Palin or any of her family members pressured Monegan to fire state trooper Mike Wooten because of the messy divorce.

Palin has denied any wrongdoing. But Democrats will undoubtedly use the allegations to attack the “clean-government” reputation of the first-term governor.

The McCain campaign said Palin “did nothing wrong and has nothing to hide.”

“It’s outrageous that the Obama campaign is trying to attack her over a family issue. As a reformer and a leader on ethics reform, she has been happy to help out in the investigation of this matter, because she was never directly involved,” the McCain campaign stated.

“Her sister’s former husband was a state trooper and several years ago was suspended from duty after making threats and using a taser on his stepson. One of her staff members did talk about this episode with the office of public safety, but the governor was not aware of his actions. He was wrong to do so and was later suspended for it.”

Lawmakers approved $100,000 to conduct the investigation, which may pick up steam weeks before the November elections.

Palin, 44, will appear with McCain at an Ohio rally Friday. The first-term governor came into office with a call to clean up the state's politics, which have been dogged by numerous scandals, including the indictment of legendary Sen. Ted Stevens (R) last month. When Stevens was indicted on seven felony counts, Palin said she shared her state’s “dismay” over the turn of events.

[irishmick79]

They'll still throw around the inexperience shit, but when the Dems try and throw it back they'll cry 'sexism!'

So get Hillary to accuse Palin of inexperience. She practiced that shtick for a long time on Obama, so she damn well ought to be good at it by now.

The dems will have to do that. Hillary won't make a difference to the more conservative female voters, though - their storyline will be "first the DNC destroys Hillary, now Palin. Look, Hillary's so broken that she's singing Obama's tune!"

This pick is a drive to turn out the base, pure and simple.

[CaptainChewbacca]

It looks like a something-out-of-nothing to me, especially if they've got a record of the guy tasering his own stepson.

[Pablo Sanchez]

It looks like a something-out-of-nothing to me, especially if they've got a record of the guy tasering his own stepson.

Evidently he begged to be tased.

As for Palin, the only calculated part of her selection might be the possibility of interposing her between Biden and McCain when he goes on the attack, so that they can perhaps make Biden look like a jerk who's being mean to the pretty lady. Other than that it's a pretty transparent and weak declaration that the GOP is diverse, too.

[Skylon]

Okay, I listend to Limbaugh long-enough for me to stomach it. Looks like the neo-cons got no huge issue with her. I figured they would, but considering their lack of rationality, ya never know...

Further, considering how much her "understanding what it's like to pay the bills" crap was touted, I am wondering if she got picked because of that gaff about McCain not knowing how many homes he had.

[Patrick Degan]

Quite surprised me, as I would never have expected the party to overcome its ideology and it's own internal power dynamics to make anything like this choice.

Unsurprising on another level, however, because to do this shows how desperate the GOP are to win this election and they are not sure that even their Diebold-nobbled districts can swing it against Obama/Biden. The Republicans are playing their last card and tossing the rest of their chips into the pot. This is their last chance to keep their death-grip on power and they know it, their last chance to derail what is turning into a generational movement against them. If this fails, they don't get another shot until 2016 at the earliest, and perhaps not for another two decades if an Obama presidency really takes off.

Deeply cynical, as they think Vice Presidential Barbie is going to swing enough young male voters and women (especially disgruntled Hillary supporters) over to their side, and also because it's yet another racist dogwhistle pitting her against Obama —young pretty white woman being menaced by the black man, etc...

[Flagg]

Wow, John McCain has finally joined the now and proven to the nation that he's with it. You know, 1984.

This is a pure desperation move. He's trying to pick up the Hillary supporters by picking a female, not understanding that the whole Hillary supporter thing is a cult of personality.

[Knife]

Hey, Van Halen is always current.

Palin looks like she's being used, pure and simple. Poor girl.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Is it possible Palin gets charged while running? Won't that be.. practically suicidal for McCain?

[CaptainChewbacca]

Oh look, she posed for VOGUE



That's a little unsettling, and not a photoshop.

[irishmick79]

This pick isn't about Hillary supporters at all. That's a red herring.

The only people who are going to be moved by this pick are your traditional conservatives who are otherwise turned off by McCain. Once they can start crying 'sexism' whenever Obama/Biden attacks Palin, the republicans can start drumming out their base conservatives by creating a false sense of outrage.

Just you wait - you'll see stories upon stories of how Palin is just this innocent good mom who is getting savaged by sexists in the DNC. The only people who are going to eat that crap up are the conservatives who otherwise hate McCain, but might hit the polls for him to fight this completely manufactured 'injustice'. They'll attempt to stir up anger amongst their base in an effort to get them to turn out on election day.

[Lonestar]

Is it possible Palin gets charged while running? Won't that be.. practically suicidal for McCain?

You really think a Republican controlled State Legislature is going to help flush the party's Presidential aspirations down the tube?

Say what you will about the GOP, but they have a much tighter "Follow your fucking orders" mentality than the Dems do.

[CaptainChewbacca]

Damn, that IS a shop. I got punk'd.

[Glocksman]

Damn, that IS a shop. I got punk'd.

So did RedState with their 'scoop' of it being Pawlenty.
Then again, RS gets a lot of things wrong.