SD.Net World Redux Comment Thread II

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

SiegeTank, are you still interested in Su-25? I offer the Su-39, but with western electronics.

I am; the Western electronics are actually a plus (because then I won't have to refit them myself). I'd like to take a full squadron (24 aircraft) off your hands.

I could have new builds manufactured in 4-6mths I guess. You will have them by the end of the year? (Game year wise) Training, including how to maintain these aircraft will be included.

[Siege]

I could have new builds manufactured in 4-6mths I guess. You will have them by the end of the year? (Game year wise) Training, including how to maintain these aircraft will be included.

Sweet, I'll have a freighter drop by to pick them up then . What's this going to cost me? $3 billion or thereabouts?

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

I could have new builds manufactured in 4-6mths I guess. You will have them by the end of the year? (Game year wise) Training, including how to maintain these aircraft will be included.

Sweet, I'll have a freighter drop by to pick them up then . What's this going to cost me? $3 billion or thereabouts?

I'm not sure about costs. I guess thereabouts. Since there are smaller than F-16s.

Yeah I will throw spares into the mix. You want to send your pilots over for the training?

[Siege]

Yeah I will throw spares into the mix. You want to send your pilots over for the training?

Yeah, I'll transfer the pilots of the 204th "Flying Octopi" to Byzantium so they can be retrained to fly the Su-39, and have their current Mirage 2000 aircraft distributed across the 202nd and 203rd.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Yeah I will throw spares into the mix. You want to send your pilots over for the training?

Yeah, I'll transfer the pilots of the 204th "Flying Octopi" to Byzantium so they can be retrained to fly the Su-39, and have their current Mirage 2000 aircraft distributed across the 202nd and 203rd.

Cool. They can train at the Air Academy in Thessaloniki.

BTW PeZook, the visit to PeZookia isn't quite done yet. Maybe you could continue from where we left off?

[DarthShady]

What's up with the map of the border regions? PeZook are we waiting for you or Marina? It's hard to have a war if you are not sure where it is.

[K. A. Pital]

Have fun, um... protecting Westchester, yeah

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Coilerburg would like to purchase ten BC-777s and five KCB-777s from the Boeing Company. The current conflicts all across Frequesue have highlighted a need for long-range logistical support aircraft.

BAM has similar aircraft on request. A340s and A330s are available.

[Beowulf]

Coilerburg would like to purchase ten BC-777s and five KCB-777s from the Boeing Company. The current conflicts all across Frequesue have highlighted a need for long-range logistical support aircraft.

BAM has similar aircraft on request. A340s and A330s are available.

Ditto, but KC-767s (designated KC-42A) and KC-777 (designated KC-45A), as well as various tactical airlifters (C-17 and C-130s).

[RogueIce]

It's a good thing I decided to do some last minute changes to my OOB. I had an extra 120 lightweight 4th Generations fighters factored in that weren't actually in use!

[Czechmate]

Oh no you di'int!

Here's some information so you might conduct your unwarranted faggotry accurately;

The People's Republic of Southern Frequesue is an Italian-American neosocialist state. The nation is ruled by the People's Representative Council, and has a population of some seventeen million with a gross national product approximating four hundred billion dollars.

The branches of the People's Armed Forces are as follows;

The People's Navy (PN)

-1 Vikramaditya CVL w/ 18 MiG-29K + 8 Ka-27 Helix
-2 Slava CG + 4 Ka-27 Helix
-5 Sovremeniy + 10 Ka-27 Helix
-6 Neustrashimy + 6 Ka-27 Helix
-11 Kilo-class SSK
-~10 assorted support ships
-1 LPD
-2 LSTs

The People's Air Force (PAF) - Includes naval fighters.

-48 MiG-23
-60 MiG-21
-18 MiG-29K
-18 Tu-95
-6 Tu-22
-24 Su-25
-24 Su-39

The People's Army (PA)

-900 Type 59 MBT
-120 Type 96 MBT
-~1000 BTR-80 APC
-~300 BMP-2 IFV
-~90 SA-6 SPAA
-~50 ZSU-23 Shilka
-~100 ZSU-57-2
-~8000 Professional Infantry
-~70,000 Conscript Infantry

There is no People's Marine branch or People's Coast Guard.

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For the FTO members who have graciously offered help; as of this time I accept fully. I'm going to make a post clearly stating this in the IC thread as well.

I simply request that you don't go do any stupid cowboy shit.

[K. A. Pital]

Man, who the hell said the PRSF was a Crimson client-state?

I did. Look, it's socialist (a), it has old-stock CSR, Byzantium or USSR equipment (and who the hell would supply it if not the Slavic National Confederacy, eh?)

Also, the PRSN is too fucking powerful for, um... 400 billion USD. I mean, two carriers? Russia struggles to keep one afloat, and really, it has 2 trillion.

Oh sure, go ahead and fight the PRSF... it has a Navy more powerful than the Russian Navy and technically some of the most modern Soviet shit.

My ships are leaving. There's no need to protect a power which can whop up most of the hostile navies in the region as I see.

[Karmic Knight]

Man, who the hell said the PRSF was a Crimson client-state?

I did. :twisted: Look, it's socialist (a), it has old-stock CSR, Byzantium or USSR equipment (and who the hell would supply it if not the Slavic National Confederacy, eh?) ;)

Also, the PRSN is too fucking powerful for, um... 400 billion USD. I mean, two carriers? Russia struggles to keep one afloat, and really, it has 2 trillion.

Oh sure, go ahead and fight the PRSF... it has a Navy more powerful than the Russian Navy and technically some of the most modern Soviet shit. :roll:

My ships are leaving. There's no need to protect a power which can whop up most of the hostile navies in the region as I see.

Technically 350 Billion.

[Czechmate]

Man, who the hell said the PRSF was a Crimson client-state?

I did. Look, it's socialist (a), it has old-stock CSR, Byzantium or USSR equipment (and who the hell would supply it if not the Slavic National Confederacy, eh?)

Also, the PRSN is too fucking powerful for, um... 400 billion USD. I mean, two carriers? Russia struggles to keep one afloat, and really, it has 2 trillion.

Oh sure, go ahead and fight the PRSF... it has a Navy more powerful than the Russian Navy and technically some of the most modern Soviet shit.

My ships are leaving. There's no need to protect a power which can whop up most of the hostile navies in the region as I see.

I took away their Kuznetsov.

And I'll enjoy watching you leave.

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

If there's anything unreasonable about this order of battle, please let me know.

Duchy of Langley Preliminary Order of Battle

Langley Navy

Ships

1 x Wasp class amphibious assault ship
2 x San Antonio class landing platform dock
6 x Sachsen class frigate
10 x Braunschweig class corvette
24 x Gepard class fast attack craft
24 x Super Dvora Mark II patrol boat
12 x Super Dvora Mark III patrol boat
8 x Type 209 submarine
4 x Landsort class mine countermeasures vessel
1 x Berlin class replenishment ship
2 x Elbe class replenishment ship

Aircraft

4 x Tupolev Tu-142M Bear-F
48 x SH-60 Seahawk
12 x MH-53E Sea Dragon

Marine Corps

2700 combat infantry [professional training and equipment]
60 x AIFV
60 x LAV-25
30 x M60 Patton
24 x Machbet
32 x Panzerhaubitze 2000
24 x AH-1Z Viper
48 x UH-60 Black Hawk
12 x CH-53E Super Stallion

Langley Air Force

32 x F-4 Phantom II [16 x F-4E Terminator, 8 x RF-4E, 8 x F-4G Wild Weasel]
64 x F-16 Fighting Falcon [48 x F-16C Block 52+, 16 x F-16D Block 52+]
12 x C-27J Spartan
12 x C-130J Super Hercules
4 x KC-130J Super Hercules
4 x MC-130H Combat Talon
2 x AC-130U Spooky
2 x EC-130J Commando Solo
4 x E-3 Sentry
4 x KC-135 Stratotanker
24 x Embraer EMB 314 Super Tucano
24 x TA-4 Skyhawk

Langley Army

Active Service

3 light infantry brigades [professional training and equipment]
2 motorized infantry brigades [professional training and equipment (LAV-25)]
2 mechanized infantry brigades [professional training and personal gear, conscript vehicles (AIFV, IDF Achzarit)]
1 heavy armor brigade [professional training, conscript equipment (M60 Patton)]
1 heliborne assault brigade [professional training and equipment (AH-1Z Viper, CH-53E Super Stallion, OH-58D Kiowa Warrior, UH-60 Black Hawk)]
1 light infantry brigade [special forces training, elite equipment]

Reserves

2 light infantry brigades [professional training and equipment]
1 motorized infantry brigade [professional training and equipment (LAV-25)]
1 mechanized infantry brigade [professional training and personal gear, conscript vehicles (AIFV, IDF Achzarit)]

Other Weapons Systems

Towed artillery: M777 howitzer
Self-propelled artillery: Panzerhaubitze 2000
Rocket artillery: RM-70, M270 MLRS
Anti-air artillery: M1097 Avenger, Machbet, Flakpanzer Gepard, Skyshield
Anti-air missiles: MIM-23 Hawk, MIM-104 Patriot

Small Arms and Other Infantry Weapons

Pistols: Colt M1911A1, Fabrique Nationale Five-seveN, Heckler & Koch USP [USP45, USP45 Compact, USP45 Tactical, USP45 Compact Tactical], SIG-Sauer P220
Shotguns: Benelli M3 Super 90, Benelli M4 Super 90, Daewoo USAS-12
Submachine guns: Fabrique Nationale P90, Heckler & Koch UMP45
Assault and battle rifles: Fabrique Nationale SCAR [SCAR-L in 5.56 x 45 mm NATO, SCAR-H in 7.62 x 51 mm NATO], Heckler & Koch HK416, Heckler & Koch HK417, IMI Tavor TAR-21, Singapore Technologies Kinetics SAR 21, Steyr AUG
Sniper rifles: Accuracy International Arctic Warfare [AW, AWF, AW50, AW50F], Accuracy International AS50, Barrett M82A3, Heckler & Koch MSG-90
Machine guns: Browning M2, Fabrique Nationale MAG, Fabrique Nationale Minimi, Fabrique Nationale Mk 48 Mod 0, Singapore Technologies Kinetics Ultimax 100
Grenade launchers: Heckler & Koch M320, M203 grenade launcher, Milkor MGL, Mk 19 grenade launcher, Mk 47 Striker
Anti-tank weapons: AT4, B-300, Carl Gustav recoilless rifle, FGM-148 Javelin, FGM-172 Predator, RPG-7
Mortars: M224 60 mm mortar, M252 81 mm mortar, M120 120 mm mortar
MANPADS: 9K38 Igla, FIM-92 Stinger, Starstreak

[Czechmate]

Looks good, Shinn.

[K. A. Pital]

350 billion and two carriers? How the fuck did they even amass the money to buy it? India has a GDP of 5 trillion and agrarian infrastructure, and it currently struggles to buy the Gorshkov. The USSR had ~4,5 trillion (current dollars) in 1990s, and it only planned to have the kind of fleet my nation has by 2005.

A 350 billion nation shouldn't field aircarriers, much less over 40,000 ton carriers, especially if it's China or India-level infrastructure.

I wouldn't have sold a fucking Kuznetzov to them, no way (I don't think anyone on the Old Continent would, meaning Byzantium and USSR), and there's no way they could've paid for an over 40,000 ton carrier.

So, anyway, I need to stay in port for like a week or so to replenish my supplies (that's earnest, my fleet's on a round-world trip).

[Czechmate]

As a note, Westchester has a per-capita GDP of $49,209 based on a national GDP of 400 billion (which is what the rules say), well over the First World bar of $35,000. The PRSF has twice the population and a per-capita GDP around $21,000, and a vastly more corrupt system, again based on the 400 billion dollar GDP.

*snip counterpoints to stas' argument*

Y'know what? I just do not care. They have that military cause they've, I dunno, gouged the shit out of their people and kept the average schmuck in line with brutal police-state policies. Dunno, really.

Look forward to your departure in an IC-week's time!

PS: An IC week is, oh maybe 13 or 14 RL hours. I look forward to your departure post tomorrow. The round trip thing is sorta cool though, your urges to interfere aside. Would've welcomed you otherwise.

EDIT: they just have the poorly-kept Vikramaditya-class ship now. if that eases your mind any.

EDIT 2: Are you aware they invaded ME without provocation? Because your actions do not appear to take this into account.

[K. A. Pital]

Ah, but once the game starts, it can't just stop otherwise it won't be fun you know.

Note that I'm just playing power politics and not even close to the GWB policy of just attacking nations which I don't like.

[Czechmate]

Power politics is fine, but you seem to be acting based on this idea that they're in dire need of support and are some kind of victim. They just invaded me, without provocation, and are attempting to sieze my (small) uranium mine and total control of the mountain range and possibly the farmlands beyond.

I think, gentlemen, it's time for a press release.

[K. A. Pital]

Power politics is fine, but you seem to be acting based on this idea that they're in dire need of support and are some kind of victim.

I never said they are a victim.

Their need for support stems from two things:
1) economic problems
2) currently a war on their hands - which exacerbates those problems
3) the war seems to be escalating into a general war with FTO, which is more powerful than they can handle

My offer is aid + blind eye to their war in exchange for a military & naval base on their soil. That's not too bad. Yes, it's kinda assholish, but so?

[Karmic Knight]

I think, gentlemen, it's time for a press release.

You really should have thrown in with the FTO before you became a liability.

Cause I do not want to piss off Stas.

[K. A. Pital]

I warned everyone that my nation is much more powerful and also much more ambitious than last time.

[Czechmate]

I never said they are a victim.

Their need for support stems from two things:
1) economic problems
2) currently a war on their hands - which exacerbates those problems
3) the war seems to be escalating into a general war with FTO, which is more powerful than they can handle

My offer is aid + blind eye to their war in exchange for a military & naval base on their soil. That's not too bad. Yes, it's kinda assholish, but so?

Tian Jiao/'Westchester' is not a member state of the FTO, but the FTO seems to be plenty willing to help them nonetheless. Even their motherland kin from Tian Xia are sending troops to help, since they're besieged by a country that has gambled its' future on securing control of the Leicestershire Range uranium deposit and other precious and mundane materials mined there.

A war for gold, you might say.

And unfortunately for the PRSF, they may have gotten themselves into something that, had their enemy remained alone, they could've won...but now that they've given their enemy the moral high ground, they're on the way to being beaten down by a variety of nations that may or may not even have legitimate reason to help, but are keen on putting down an aggressor state on the continent.

I'm sure you'll get your port, though. The landscape beyond it may be shit for libo and under occupation later on, but you'll certainly be able to gas up there.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

ERm.. what's the game time by the way?