SD.Net World Redux Comment Thread II

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2008-09-02 05:42am

PeZook wrote:Uh, what? Huh?

Here we are giving you the best possible launch site and you say "GTFO" and go for your silly inland launch sites

We will remember this!

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-09-02 05:42am

HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT!

Stas, you just fired an assload of missiles at a MESS CVBG!

You're moving up in the world fuckhole stakes.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-09-02 05:43am

phongn wrote: Here we are giving you the best possible launch site and you say "GTFO" and go for your silly inland launch sites We will remember this!

How about a lot of contracts for the construction of capsules and satellites instead?

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-09-02 05:43am

I am going to start claiming neutrality in this conflict.

phongn wrote:
PeZook wrote:Uh, what? Huh?
Here we are giving you the best possible launch site and you say "GTFO" and go for your silly inland launch sites We will remember this!

Alright, how about I potentially give you a contract to refurbish my air defence systems, on condition that you give me the damn codes and we are going to scrutinise the codes so thoroughly not even a single loop hole will be left.

And if we so much as find a bug put there, we will sue you in court.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-09-02 05:52am

Ah sure, my bad. I meant the brigade and PeZook is right. There are 3 main type battalions in a division, and they constitute a brigade, my stupid.

Anyway, your (and Beowulf's) turn.

PRSFN CVBG:
1x Gorshkov, airwing in-flight

2x Slava in close formation, 24 P-1000 "Vulkan" missiles which I have re-loaded into their tubes at Livorno from my ships are launched, and 6 more yet remain to be launched.

2x Sovremenny in inner shield

3x Neustrashimy in forward (100 km) patrol

All PRSFN ASW/AEW Ka-27s/31s are raised and active in 100-200 km range.

Additionally, 5 Tu-22 Blinders each escorted by 3 MiG-23 planes are running a swarm sortie against Tian Xia CVBG.

4 PRSFN Kilo-class submarines are sailing in the region

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-09-02 05:55am

Wait...did I understand it right? The PRSF missiles those bombers launched were CSR-made?

I'm sorry to say this, but if this blows up in the CSR's face, PeZookia will stay out of this. I hope you understand, dude.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-09-02 05:59am

The PRSF missiles those bombers launched were CSR-made?

No; the bombers launched AS-4 Kitchens which were sold with the bombers themselves (frankly I don't see any other reason to keep a Tu-22 fleet for such a small nation other than to defend against enemy naval assets).

The "Sampson" missiles (P-1000 Vulcan) were re-loaded from the CSR "Slava" cruisers into the PRSF "Slava" cruisers in Livorno naval base.

Basically, I gave them 1 AEW&C plane and 32 supersonic heavy ASMs just to make their chances in the war at least somewhat measurable.

As for Pezookia, as far as I understand you are not in the SNC, so you have no ally obligations in international quarries.

P.S. Oh, and Shep, glad to have some fun at the game

P.P.S. Forgot my last gift of grace to the PRSF, the RVV-AE air-to-air missile. Gave them out of my "Ulyanovsk" stock.

Their MiG-29Ks looked so poor and doomed without them, I couldn't stand it

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-09-02 06:12am

Eh? I thought PeZookia was in the SNC... ok.. Now I am confused.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-09-02 06:14am

Stas Bush wrote: As for Pezookia, as far as I understand you are not in the SNC, so you have no ally obligations in international quarries.

I'm not? That's a first for me

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-09-02 06:14am

Is Pezookia in the SNC?

I thought we have 3 members (you, me and ShadY) and Pezook is an observer nation, kinda like the SCO?

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-09-02 06:16am

Stas Bush wrote:Is Pezookia in the SNC? I thought we have 3 members (you, me and ShadY) and Pezook is an observer nation, kinda like the SCO?

Well, I can agree to this option, unless Byzantium or the USSR really want me in

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-09-02 06:18am

PeZook wrote:
Stas Bush wrote:Is Pezookia in the SNC? I thought we have 3 members (you, me and ShadY) and Pezook is an observer nation, kinda like the SCO?
Well, I can agree to this option, unless Byzantium or the USSR really want me in

Oh no, you aren't going to run away.

But really, I'm in MESS and SNC, and now one of each are potentially at war at each other....

Er... Ok, I have to find a hole to put my head in now.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-09-02 06:27am

Since when supplying weapons to a belligerent party, even a client state, was grounds for war?

That way Russia, USA and Israel would've fought countless direct wars.

Actually I also proposed for Pezook to join the SNC somewhere in the early threads but I guess I missed his agreement or something...

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2008-09-02 06:30am

PeZook wrote:How about a lot of contracts for the construction of capsules and satellites instead?

Oh, I suppose

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Alright, how about I potentially give you a contract to refurbish my air defence systems, on condition that you give me the damn codes and we are going to scrutinise the codes so thoroughly not even a single loop hole will be left.

Sure. Enjoy going through millions of lines of code, though

And if we so much as find a bug put there, we will sue you in court.

/we show your systems engineers signing off on the code and security reviews

And how would you know if the flaw was intentional or not, hrm? All software has bugs

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-09-02 06:31am

Stas Bush wrote: Actually I also proposed for Pezook to join the SNC somewhere in the early threads but I guess I missed his agreement or something...

I must've kinda assumed I joined. Let's say PeZookia is a part of the SNC, mmmkay?

Anyway, I wrote if this blows up in your face, not when. We stil have to see the Tian Xia reaction to the incident, at which point there is still time to mediate.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-09-02 06:34am

phongn wrote: And how would you know if the flaw was intentional or not, hrm? All software has bugs

I suppose if they find a line like:

Code: Select all

If IFF transponder = IRT ; THEN ignore contact AND write "Haha pwn3d!"

They can safely bet it's not a bug

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-09-02 06:34am

phongn wrote:
Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Alright, how about I potentially give you a contract to refurbish my air defence systems, on condition that you give me the damn codes and we are going to scrutinise the codes so thoroughly not even a single loop hole will be left.
Sure. Enjoy going through millions of lines of code, though

And if we so much as find a bug put there, we will sue you in court.
/we show your systems engineers signing off on the code and security reviews

And how would you know if the flaw was intentional or not, hrm? All software has bugs

Well, anyhow, we want some insurance you aren't selling the enemy our systems. Which is why we are going ensure our engineers work with yours and learn what you are doing while you are at it.

What is the size of this contract anyhow.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-09-02 06:35am

Stas Bush wrote:Since when supplying weapons to a belligerent party, even a client state, was grounds for war? That way Russia, USA and Israel would've fought countless direct wars.

Actually I also proposed for Pezook to join the SNC somewhere in the early threads but I guess I missed his agreement or something...

Oh so... just to be clear, the weapons fired are in the hands of the client state, not the state itself?

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-09-02 06:36am

You can always pay IRT subcontractors to design individual subsystems and have them work in Byzantium, and then do integration work yourself. Frankly, unless you pay one megacorp to build the entire system, it's unlikely the IRT will be able to point our any exploitable flaws to the enemy.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-09-02 06:37am

Let's say PeZookia is a part of the SNC, mmmkay?

Okay.

Makes it easier to accelerate our Continental Defense Plan as well as possibly a common Coastal Defense Plan and the space program.

I'll let you, Fingolfin and Shady sort out the Zagor mess (I bombed the hell out of whatever they might have had on my border and stopped at that unless you want me to use my army for an actual ground war).

I could, and would, commit troops to a joint SNC Zagor peacekeeping force.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Oh so... just to be clear, the weapons fired are in the hands of the client state, not the state itself?

No Crimson Star vessels participated in the attack. It was executed by a People's Republic of S.Frequesque CVBG and a People's Air Force wing of Tu-22 Blinders.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-09-02 06:39am

PeZook wrote:You can always pay IRT subcontractors to design individual subsystems and have them work in Byzantium, and then do integration work yourself. Frankly, unless you pay one megacorp to build the entire system, it's unlikely the IRT will be able to point our any exploitable flaws to the enemy.

The trouble is integration. That is a helluva of work. They can sell me incompatible parts for all i know and I'm left with a wreck of a system.

That aside, I am keen for someone to scrutinise my existing systems which aren't too interconnected, and have someone suggest the corrective measures. At the moment, I got my local companies to lay all the fiber optic networks.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-09-02 06:40am

That reminds me ; Is Byzantium co-ordinating the snatch-and-grab with anybody? Because, really, snatching a head of state like that would probably require a lot of support like jamming, real-time reconeissance, air support,transport, etc.

Plus, Shady is kinda pissed and his tanks are charging forward smashing anything that tries to shoot back, and his shadowy intel guys will try to whack Marek.

It would be kind funny if your Varangians got into a firefight with Shadow assassins because of a difference in mission objectives

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-09-02 06:42am

PeZook wrote:That reminds me ; Is Byzantium co-ordinating the snatch-and-grab with anybody? Because, really, snatching a head of state like that would probably require a lot of support like jamming, real-time reconeissance, air support,transport, etc.

Plus, Shady is kinda pissed and his tanks are charging forward smashing anything that tries to shoot back, and his shadowy intel guys will try to whack Marek.

It would be kind funny if your Varangians got into a firefight with Shadow assassins because of a difference in mission objectives

I'm more worried about friendly fire from Shady's rocketry and artillery.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-09-02 06:44am

Just think about it: First Varangians ambush Marek in his palace, killing all the guards and dragging him out of bed in his underwear ; Then Shadow Asassins storm the palace, too, and the Varangians are now trying to protect Marek while using security checkpoints full of his dead bodyguards as cover.

Then Shadows fire a salvo of rocket artillery at the palace for good measure

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2008-09-02 06:49am

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Well, anyhow, we want some insurance you aren't selling the enemy our systems. Which is why we are going ensure our engineers work with yours and learn what you are doing while you are at it.

This kind of work tends to be fairly customized for each customer, for obvious reasons. Furthermore, what if we sell our expertise to someone else? It's not like we're going to give all your signaling crypto and whatnot away (which we probably won't even see)

What is the size of this contract anyhow.

Pretty damn big, especially if it's going to link multiple countries.

PeZook wrote:You can always pay IRT subcontractors to design individual subsystems and have them work in Byzantium, and then do integration work yourself. Frankly, unless you pay one megacorp to build the entire system, it's unlikely the IRT will be able to point our any exploitable flaws to the enemy.

Heh, the IRT was planning on bidding for the backbone of the system. Oh, we'll sell missiles and guns too, but we're more interested in the system than the components of it.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:The trouble is integration. That is a helluva of work. They can sell me incompatible parts for all i know and I'm left with a wreck of a system.

Penalty fees?