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MINNEAPOLIS -- As residents of New Orleans were fleeing Hurricane Gustav, top Republican party officials donned pink boas and swigged vodka shots at a wild whirl of corporate and lobbyist-paid parties this weekend in Minneapolis-St. Paul.

Many corporate sponsors and their lobbyists carried through with plans for lavish entertainment of GOP lawmakers and others despite calls from the campaign of Sen. John McCain that Republicans should tone down the convention festivities.

"We will be contacting corporations and others to ask them to be respectful of events in the gulf," McCain campaign manager Rick Davis said Sunday afternoon.

Yet, last night lobbyists for the National Rifle Association, Lockheed Martin and the American Trucking Association put on a raucus six-hour party at a downtown bar featuring music by the band "Hookers and Blow." There was no evidence of any actual prostitutes or cocaine.

Congressman Bill Shuster (R-PA), a GOP House deputy whip, was seen meeting with a group of lobbyists who bemoaned McCain's call to tone down the parties which had already been paid for.

Shuster said he was praying for the people of the Gulf coast and said, despite Sen. McCain's call to "tone things down," there was no need to curtail corporate parties until after the Hurricane hit land.

Along the Mississippi last night, corporate lobbyists for the chemical industry were entertaining Ohio Republicans on two large yachts.

Sen. George Voinovich (R-OH), one of about 700 guests, said he "could not remember" who paid the costs of the river cruise.

Ohio Republicans later said $21,000 had been raised for relief charities during the evening.

Saturday night, 22 big corporations sponsored a pig roast and "booze cruise" for California Congressmen and delegates on Lake Minnetonka, west of Minneapolis.

There appeared to be no plans to cancel any of the lavish corporate parties planned for Republicans, although some lobbyists said they would invite Red Cross representatives and raise money for its relief efforts.

Many delegates at a party Saturday night for GOP convention CEO Maria Cino said they saw no reason to stop the good time because of events in New Orleans.

"Everyone goes through hard times," said Wisconsin delegate Jeff Larson.

More than a hundred people jammed a Minneapolis restaurant where waiters wore pink wigs and guests danced through the night as they wrapped themselves and their partners with pink boas.

Five pink spotlights were set up outside of the invitation-only party. ABC News reporters were told they could not enter.

Asked about the appropriateness of the gathering, Republican National Committeeman Tony Parker walked away from ABC News cameras, saying, "I don't want to talk with you."

Another Republican guest hid his face from cameras, wrapping a pink boa around his eyes and nose.

The executive director of the National Association of Manufacturers, Jay Timmons, a prominent Washington lobbyist, said, "I don't think it's a legitimate question," when asked if he felt funny attending the gala at a time of crisis in New Orleans.

"I think if the hurricane hits New Orleans there will definitely be a lot of change of plans," Timmons said.

At least 200 parties had been scheduled by corporate executives and lobbyists for the Republican gathering, much as they did last week at the Democratic convention in Denver.
Remember, no evidence of actual hookers or blow, just the band Hookers And Blow. Important distinction!
Many delegates at a party Saturday night for GOP convention CEO Maria Cino said they saw no reason to stop the good time because of events in New Orleans.
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Parties aside, they will be lucky to get any coverage of even these apparently scaled-back convention activities. There is another storm predicted to hit the country by Thursday (Hanna) and even if it doesn't hit the NOLA (apparently it is projected to be heading up the Eastern Seaboard), I won't be surprised if the news continues to stick to the storm stories (no affiliation with The Weather Channel implied). It seems like there has been precious little of actual convention coverage over Monday, even on Fox.
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Yet, last night lobbyists for the National Rifle Association, Lockheed Martin and the American Trucking Association put on a raucus six-hour party at a downtown bar featuring music by the band "Hookers and Blow." There was no evidence of any actual prostitutes or cocaine."

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm sorry but I just can't stop laughing after this line. . .was I supposed to take something seriously?

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Hey man, just cuz NOLA is getting hammered doesn't mean the good times shouldn't keep rolling somewhere else. And I thought Rage Against the Machine was playing the convention?


Anyway, my understanding was that while the DNC had been a big "charge up the electorate", "get out the message" type event, thi was going to be more of a fundraising drive. Correct?
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Ender wrote:Hey man, just cuz NOLA is getting hammered doesn't mean the good times shouldn't keep rolling somewhere else. And I thought Rage Against the Machine was playing the convention?
They are. However, they aren't really playing at the convention as playing across the river in a technically unrelated event probably to bitch out the rich white oligarchs. That said, the thought of the RNC or one of their associated corporate bashes booking Rage has me giggling, so I wish that were the case.
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General Zod wrote:
Yet, last night lobbyists for the National Rifle Association, Lockheed Martin and the American Trucking Association put on a raucus six-hour party at a downtown bar featuring music by the band "Hookers and Blow." There was no evidence of any actual prostitutes or cocaine."

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm sorry but I just can't stop laughing after this line. . .was I supposed to take something seriously?

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Ender wrote:Hey man, just cuz NOLA is getting hammered doesn't mean the good times shouldn't keep rolling somewhere else. And I thought Rage Against the Machine was playing the convention?
I know they played outside the Dem convnetion, free concert, general railing against the Two Party System.
Anyway, my understanding was that while the DNC had been a big "charge up the electorate", "get out the message" type event, thi was going to be more of a fundraising drive. Correct?
It's looking that way. Tomorrow might be different.
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Looks like Bush is speaking there Thursday. Guess they didn't dodge that bullet.
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Many delegates at a party Saturday night for GOP convention CEO Maria Cino said they saw no reason to stop the good time because of events in New Orleans.

"Everyone goes through hard times," said Wisconsin delegate Jeff Larson.
Translation: "I've got mine, so fuck 'em."

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Patrick Degan wrote:
Many delegates at a party Saturday night for GOP convention CEO Maria Cino said they saw no reason to stop the good time because of events in New Orleans.

"Everyone goes through hard times," said Wisconsin delegate Jeff Larson.
Translation: "I've got mine, so fuck 'em."

I swear, it is becoming impossible for me not to see Republicans as moustache-twirling villains who chuckle over the misery of the common people over brandy and cigars at the Club.
Excuse me, what the fuck else are they supposed to be doing? I love to rag on the farce that is the Republican Party as much as anyone else here, but in this particular case I fail to see where the complaints are coming from.
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Patrick Degan wrote:
Many delegates at a party Saturday night for GOP convention CEO Maria Cino said they saw no reason to stop the good time because of events in New Orleans.

"Everyone goes through hard times," said Wisconsin delegate Jeff Larson.
Translation: "I've got mine, so fuck 'em."

I swear, it is becoming impossible for me not to see Republicans as moustache-twirling villains who chuckle over the misery of the common people over brandy and cigars at the Club.
Excuse me, what the fuck else are they supposed to be doing? I love to rag on the farce that is the Republican Party as much as anyone else here, but in this particular case I fail to see where the complaints are coming from.
The thing is, I can remember a time when the GOP wasn't this comprehensively corrupt —both politically and morally.
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Patrick Degan wrote:The thing is, I can remember a time when the GOP wasn't this comprehensively corrupt —both politically and morally.
And that corruption is demonstrated by having some up-beat parties at their convention how? Should they have changed it to lines of wailing mourners and ritual flagellation?
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They could have moved the date, Stormbringer.

The place is reserved until the 15th or so.
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Patrick Degan wrote:The thing is, I can remember a time when the GOP wasn't this comprehensively corrupt —both politically and morally.
And that corruption is demonstrated by having some up-beat parties at their convention how? Should they have changed it to lines of wailing mourners and ritual flagellation?
Nice little black/white fallacy you have there.
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SirNitram wrote:They could have moved the date, Stormbringer.

The place is reserved until the 15th or so.
I'm sure it'd be quite the undertaking to have all your pre-planned events, and not to mention the people that took time to book said flights and whatnot, and shift them over to some new date. Which of course, may also happen to land right in the next hurricane's time/path.

If the DNC's convention was being held now instead of earlier, I wouldn't have expected any different.
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Patrick Degan wrote:
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Patrick Degan wrote:The thing is, I can remember a time when the GOP wasn't this comprehensively corrupt —both politically and morally.
And that corruption is demonstrated by having some up-beat parties at their convention how? Should they have changed it to lines of wailing mourners and ritual flagellation?
Nice little black/white fallacy you have there.
You still haven't explained how having a convention marks them as politically and morally corrupt. It isn't like shifting the convention will make the hurricane magically move away, or that they knew it was going to happen when the booked it in advance.


And I was mistaken, Bush is to speak on Tuesday apparently.
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This single incident doesn't make them corrupt. The problem is that, when it comes from a party with a decades-long record of catering only to the interests of the wealthy class (George Bush Senior was probably their best president during that time), it looks particularly bad.

It's like a white guy who has a "hunting accident" and shoots a black guy in the woods. Maybe it was an accident, maybe it wasn't. But if you find out that the guy is a member of a white supremacist group, it sure looks a lot worse.
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SirNitram wrote:They could have moved the date, Stormbringer.

The place is reserved until the 15th or so.
And they should be doing this why?

If you guys are going to take this tack, why not also bash the Democrats for putting on a celebration in the midst of two wars. The hurricane really has nothing to do with the convention or associated activities and you've yet to establish any sort of credible reason this should offend.
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Patrick Degan wrote:The thing is, I can remember a time when the GOP wasn't this comprehensively corrupt —both politically and morally.
And that corruption is demonstrated by having some up-beat parties at their convention how? Should they have changed it to lines of wailing mourners and ritual flagellation?
Nice little black/white fallacy you have there.
Bullshit. You still haven't even demonstrated how having parties at their convention demonstrates corruption. You've got no ground what so ever to start making accusations unless you're willing to actually back your statements up.
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Stormbringer wrote:
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Stormbringer wrote: And that corruption is demonstrated by having some up-beat parties at their convention how? Should they have changed it to lines of wailing mourners and ritual flagellation?
Nice little black/white fallacy you have there.
Bullshit.
Your own, I believe.
You still haven't even demonstrated how having parties at their convention demonstrates corruption. You've got no ground what so ever to start making accusations unless you're willing to actually back your statements up.
Corruption takes on many forms —one of which is a complete tone-deafness to the plight of others while carrying on a rather public celebration of insider-dealing. Popping the champaign corks with high-dollar lobbyists and dismissing the troubles involving two million of your fellow citizens with "everybody goes through hard times" is corruption; in this case one of attitude. It points to the increasing disconnect between the classes in this society which is an outgrowth of the GOP's effort to promote a plutocracy in this country.

I await your inevitable pettifoggery in reply.
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Word is that Palin canceled her events for today and tomorrow. She even skipped a Coalition for Life event that was in her honor (apparently they were told at the last minute that she wouldn't be there). I think something is brewing here...(beyond just trying to hide from all the crap coming out on her).


Do you think they will pull a Miers or are they just trying to get the focus back on the convention?
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Cairber wrote:Word is that Palin canceled her events for today and tomorrow. She even skipped a Coalition for Life event that was in her honor (apparently they were told at the last minute that she wouldn't be there). I think something is brewing here...(beyond just trying to hide from all the crap coming out on her).


Do you think they will pull a Miers or are they just trying to get the focus back on the convention?
I would love nothing more than for her to get pulled, but sadly I don't think that's going to be the case.
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Cairber wrote:Word is that Palin canceled her events for today and tomorrow. She even skipped a Coalition for Life event that was in her honor (apparently they were told at the last minute that she wouldn't be there). I think something is brewing here...(beyond just trying to hide from all the crap coming out on her).


Do you think they will pull a Miers or are they just trying to get the focus back on the convention?
I would love nothing more than for her to get pulled, but sadly I don't think that's going to be the case.
If that were indeed the case, it would do more damage to the Gimp's campaign. For better or for worse, he's stuck with trophy-veep now.
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Patrick Degan wrote:Corruption takes on many forms —one of which is a complete tone-deafness to the plight of others while carrying on a rather public celebration of insider-dealing. Popping the champaign corks with high-dollar lobbyists and dismissing the troubles involving two million of your fellow citizens with "everybody goes through hard times" is corruption; in this case one of attitude. It points to the increasing disconnect between the classes in this society which is an outgrowth of the GOP's effort to promote a plutocracy in this country.

I await your inevitable pettifoggery in reply.
And I assume that you will then be applying this logic and condemning the Democrats for having convention parties in the middle of two on going American wars? Because your tenuous chain of logic dictates that if something bad is happpening, clearly no party. But of course you can't have things like a consistent standard.

There's no actual correlation between what the Republican Party is doing and what is actually being done about said hurricane. Frankly, most of what can be done already has in that the cities most in danger were evacuated instead of people hanging around with their thumbs up their asses. The problem with your logic is that everything that can be done, probably already is (or wouldn't be anyway).

Far be it for me to say but it seems like you're simply looking for something to be offended about with out worrying about any real logic or substance.
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CNN wrote:Thompson takes jabs at Obama

ST PAUL (CNN) – Barack Obama is wholly untested and unprepared to be president, former Republican presidential candidate Fred Thompson said Tuesday — the most pointed criticisms yet of the Democratic presidential nominee delivered at the scaled-back GOP convention.

"Democrats present a history making nominee for president," Thompson told the cheering crowd. "History making in that he is the most liberal, most inexperienced nominee to ever run for president.

"Apparently they believe that he would match up well with the history making, Democrat controlled Congress," he continued in the prime-time speech. "History making because it's the least accomplished and most unpopular Congress in our nation's history."

Thompson, who abandoned his own presidential bid after poor showings in the first round of primaries early this year, also criticized the Illinois senator for comments at a recent faith forum during which he declined to say when he believed human life began.

"We need a president who doesn't think that the protection of the unborn or a newly born baby is above his pay grade," Thompson said in what was a clear reference to Obama's comments at a forum sponsored by Rick Warren last month.

Thompson faced criticism during his own presidential run when a YouTube clip of a 1994 Senate debate showed Thompson declaring, "The ultimate decision on abortion should be left with the woman and not the government."

It was also revealed Thompson once lobbied for an abortion-rights group.
Emphasis added. Never mind the "most liberal" claim, despite Obama's actual record— my concern for the moment is "most inexperienced nominee". Is that even true? I find it hard to believe. Right off the top of my head, didn't the famous Abe Lincoln have even less experience than Obama?

Funny Thompson should talk of low approval ratings with a Democratic Congress as a Republican president with the lowest approval ratings in history also talked during today's RNC.
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Haruko wrote:Emphasis added. Never mind the "most liberal" claim, despite Obama's actual record— my concern for the moment is "most inexperienced nominee". Is that even true? I find it hard to believe. Right off the top of my head, didn't the famous Abe Lincoln have even less experience than Obama?
Barak Obama's Experience:
Graduated Harvard magna cum laude
Head of Havard Law Review
Taught constitutional law
Directed various public programs
Associate at major law firm
7+ Years Illinois State Senate
3 Years Experience US Senate

Abraham Lincoln's Experience:
Elected Captain of a militia company in the Black Hawk War (saw no action)
Taught himself Law
Became successful ambulant lawyer
8 Years Experience Illinois State House of Representatives
2 Years Experience US House of Representatives


Supporters of Obama need to bring this up more often, if Abraham Lincoln, possibly one of the greatest Americans ever, could get by on 10 years of government experience, I don't see why Obama couldn't.
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