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On the Miss Cleo front, the AP is reporting on Palin's speech, and she hasn't even given it yet.
Just...wow. :roll:

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Palin mocks Obama; McCain claiming nomination
By DAVID ESPO – 2 hours ago
ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) — Claiming her historic place on the Republican ticket, vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin mocked Barack Obama's experience and promise of change Wednesday night and pledged to help John McCain upend the Washington establishment.
"In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers," she said in a barbed reference to Obama's campaign theme. "And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change," she added in remarks prepared for her prime time address to the Republican National Convention.
In a second unmistakable jab at McCain's White House opponent, Palin traced her career as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, to governor of her state, adding: "I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a `community organizer,' except that you have actual responsibilities."
As a young man, Obama did a stint as a community organizer.
The Alaska governor had top billing at the convention on a night delegates also lined up for a noisy roll call of the states to deliver their presidential nomination to McCain.
Palin, 44, also jabbed at the news media, which have raised convention week questions about her background and her family, including her 17-year-old unmarried, pregnant daughter. "Here's little news flash for all those reporters and commentators: I'm not going to Washington to seek their good opinion — I'm going to Washington to serve the people of this country."
McCain arrived in the Republican National Convention city earlier in the day to accept the prize of a political lifetime. Instantly, defended his choice of a running mate, saying she was ready to serve as commander in chief after less than two years as governor of Alaska.
"Oh, absolutely," he said in an ABC interview.
"Having been the governor of our largest state, the commander of their National Guard, she was once in charge of their natural resources assets actually, until she found out there was corruption and she quit. ..."
McCain bounded down the steps of his chartered campaign jet at midday into the arms of his extended personal and political family. His wife Cindy was first in line, then their children, then Palin.
McCain hugged his running mate and greeted her husband Todd, known as the "First Dude" of Alaska. Then, cameras recording each gesture, the Arizona senator lingered when he reached the couple that has been the focus of so much convention-week attention, 17-year-old Bristol Palin and the father of her child, Levi Johnston, 18.
McCain's remarks dovetailed with an effort by his campaign to depict Palin's critics as out to destroy the 44-year-old governor, the first female running mate in party history.
The presidential nomination his after a decade of struggle, the 72-year-old McCain swung the spotlight Palin's way on the convention's third night.
While she readied the speech of her career, McCain's top strategist, Steve Schmidt, complained about a "faux media scandal," generated, he said, by "the old boys' network that has come to dominate the news establishment."
Equally insistent, former Massachusetts Gov. Jane Swift said, "Just like me, we can assume Gov. Palin loves her children, and we can just leave it at that." It was a reference to the vice presidential running mate's daughter, unmarried and pregnant.
Thrust into the national spotlight less than a week ago, the 44-year-old Alaska governor made a brief visit to the Xcel Center to prep for her prime time address to delegates — already on her side — and a prime time TV audience counted in the millions.
Little is known nationally of her views, although a video surfaced during the day of a speech she made at her church in June in which she said U.S. troops had been sent to Iraq "on a task that is from God."
In his interview with ABC, McCain said of Palin, "I mean, this person is going to come to Washington and, I'm telling you, the `old boys' network,' they better look out because change is coming."
He took another slap at Democratic rival Obama, saying Americans don't want "somebody who has — who is, frankly, necessarily gone to Harvard or an Ivy League school. She probably hasn't been to a Georgetown cocktail party," he added.
McCain 's campaign gave speaking turns to three of his former rivals in the primaries of last winter and spring, and they used the opportunity to praise him and warn of the consequences of a defeat.
"Maybe the most dangerous threat of an Obama presidency is that he would continue to give madmen the benefit of the doubt," former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee said in remarks released in advance.
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney accused Obama of ducking several questions at a recent joint appearance with McCain, who he said "hit the nail on the head: radical Islam is evil, and he will defeat it.
Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani added that Palin "has more executive experience than the entire Democratic ticket," which includes Obama and Delaware Sen. Joseph Biden, a veteran of more than three decades in the Senate.
Not everyone was quite on message, though.
"I think that Gov. Palin and Sen. Obama do not have extensive experience in government," Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania told reporters. He said she has potential, and judged Obama a "political phenomenon, no doubt about it."
Whatever Palin's impact on the race, McCain's story was among the most arresting in recent presidential politics.
The son and grandson of admirals, he had a rebellious youth by his own account, running up a healthy ledger of demerits at the Naval Academy. Shot down over Vietnam, he was held and tortured for more than five years before his release. Along the way, he turned down an offer of early freedom from captors eager for a propaganda boost.
Elected to Congress in 1982, he moved to the Senate in 1986 as a Reagan Republican. Soon singed by the "Keating Five" scandal, involving the savings and loan industry, he shifted course.
He began carving out a maverick's role, championing legislation to reduce the influence of money in politics and fighting wasteful government spending.
Increasingly over the years, he parted company with fellow Republicans on issues as diverse as tobacco, health care, immigration, judicial nominees, a commission to investigate the Sept. 11 terror attacks, the use of torture in interrogations and more.
He first ran for president in 2000, but lost the GOP nomination to George Bush in a bitter struggle.
As the early front-runner eight years later, he watched helplessly as anger with the Iraq war drained him of the support of independents while conservatives deserted because of legislation giving illegal immigrants a pathway to citizenship.
Out of money — but not hope — he pared back his campaign and persevered. When Huckabee defeated Romney in the leadoff Iowa caucuses, it opened the door for McCain to win the New Hampshire primary five days later.
He did, and despite a chronic shortage of funds, methodically dispatched his rivals, one by one, before clinching the nomination with a series of big-state Super Tuesday wins on Feb. 5.
Never a favorite of conservatives, he worked slowly to draw them to his side, and his selection of Palin was a surprising stroke.
Social conservatives greeted her pick enthusiastically — support that coalesced in the ensuing days as her daughter's pregnancy became known.
While McCain himself appeals to independents, strategists said they hoped Palin's presence on the ticket would gain a second look from conservative Democrats who sided with New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton during her failed candidacy earlier in the year.
Goddamn, the AP really *is* in the tank for McCain.
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CNN just showed the one black Republican in the audience..
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Now Benito's mocking Obama for supposedly denigrating Bumfuck as "not cosmopolitan enough".

"Maybe they cling to religion there."

Now the skippy-whip over Barbie's "greater executive experience" that Obama for being mayor of Bumfuck and serving a half-term as governor.

"How DARE they question whether Sarah Palin has enough time to spend with her children and be vice-president! How DARE THEY!" Pushing the false-outrage button now.
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And now —HEEEEEEERE'S BARBIE!
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So... we're getting the family biography and the word about how Todd's still her guy, along with intros.
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Why does Palin have a Minnesota accent when she was raised in Alaska?
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Darth Wong wrote:Just saw some of Mitt Romney's speech. It's amazing how the talking points haven't really changed in the last 20 years, all of the events during that period notwithstanding. Their arguments are simply immune to facts. And sadly, I imagine that they are still quite effective.

It takes either great gall or great stupidity to rant about the evils of "choking regulations" at a time when poorly regulated commodities and financial markets have run rampant and dragged the economy with them.
It strikes me that to the average person, government regulation in general appears to be nothing but red tape and pedantic bullshit. I imagine that part of the reason that stuff sells so well even in these hilariously inappropriate times is that people think of the hassles regulations put them through whenever the subject is brought up.
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Appeals to emotion and nostalgia. "Harry Truman was from a small town... We grow good people in small towns... They do the hard work... I was an average hockey mom and signed up for the PTA..."

Now she's going to tout about being mayor of Bumfuck qualifies one to be vice president. "It's sort of like being a community organiser except you have actual responsibilities."
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Sarah Palin wrote:"I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a 'community organizer,' except that you have actual responsibilities."
Yeah, like getting $23 million dollars of pork for a town of 6000 people.

I love Alaska.
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I wonder if these people ever tried replacing "regulations" with "laws" in their minds. Imagine someone saying "Democrats keep wanting to have all these 'laws' which choke innovation and get in the way of people who want to make a living. We need to get rid of all these laws! Eliminate the entire legal regime, so that the economy can flourish!"

That's the thing: regulations are laws. The only difference between a "regulation" and a "law" is that regulations are laws for corporations.
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"I've learned in the last few days that if you're not a member of the Establishment, then some in the media consider that you're not a qualified candidate."

Now playing the "Us v. Them LIBROOL MEDIA ELITE" card.
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TDion wrote:
Sarah Palin wrote:"I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a 'community organizer,' except that you have actual responsibilities."
Yeah, like getting $23 million dollars of pork for a town of 6000 people.

I love Alaska.
What she didn't mention was that she hired a city manager to handle the day-to-day running of the town. :P
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Patrick Degan wrote:"I've learned in the last few days that if you're not a member of the Establishment, then some in the media consider that you're not a qualified candidate."

Now playing the "Us v. Them LIBROOL MEDIA ELITE" card.
"The Establishment" apparently refers to the ranks of the highly educated.
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It must be nice to live in a parallel universe where you can tout your own ethics reform while embroiled in a pair of abuse-of-power scandals.
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Here it comes: DRILL OUR WAY TO FREEDOM!
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"The fact that drilling won't solve every problem is no excuse to do nothing at all."
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Sarah Palin wrote:"The fact that drilling won't solve any problem is no excuse to do nothing at all."
Fixed for you.
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"We need American energy produced from American ingenuity and brought forth by American workers."
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Now it's on to the surrender-monkey meme: "This is a man who can talk about the wars America fights but can never once use the word 'Victory'."

"Victory in Iraq is finally in sight and he wants to forfeit. Terrorists seek nuclear weapons and he wants to meet them without preconditions. Al-qaeda terrorists still plot to do great harm to our country, and he's concerned that they won't be read their rights."

And here's the reading of the GOP's parallel-universe version* of Obama's programme.

*more commonly known as "lies"
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McCain: "A man who's not looking for a fight, but who's not afraid of one."
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"Clearly what Reid meant was that he can't stand-up to John McCain, which is another reason to take the Maverick out of the Senate and put him in the White House."

"This world of threats and dangers isn't just a community and it doesn't need an organiser..."

"There is only one man in this election who has fought for you... in places where winning means survival and defeat means death and that man is John McCain."

"It's a long way from the squalor of a 6x4 cell in Hanoi to the White House. But that's the journey John McCain will make."

"The wisdom that comes to the captive."
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Patrick Degan wrote:McCain: "A man who's not looking for a fight, but who's not afraid of one."
Heh..Obama himself countered that one last week.
Barack Obama wrote:You know, John McCain likes to say that he'll follow bin Laden to the gates of Hell, but he won't even follow him to the cave where he lives.

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Now we're getting McCain's bravery under torture. "My fellow Americans, that is the kind of man we need to see us through the next four years."
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At this point I seriously consider the only good Republican to be Senator Lugar, the rest are scum and worthy only of contempt.
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It's over. That speech was... pathetic.
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