SD.Net World Redux Comment Thread II

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-09-05 03:01am

Damn, the FASTA is way behind everyone

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-09-05 03:05am

PeZook wrote:Damn, the FASTA is way behind everyone

No hurry, no hurry. FASTA is the civilian project. There's time enough...

THere are military projects as well, but *hush hush*

Czechmate · Post by **Czechmate** » 2008-09-05 03:36am

Question; is Ford actually going to show up and play his nation, or can we turn it into another tribe-and-junta-filled sociopolitical wasteland? Better yet, can we make it some sort of flat, agrarian Switzerland-Russia which will defend itself with tooth and claw but otherwise remains neutral?

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2008-09-05 03:36am

The launch I used was a cluster of three modified MRBMs as a first stage; the satellite is roughly comparable to GOES-1 in design except it flies much lower and is something of a beta-test vehicle.

Due to IRT solid-rocket heritage (go go massive sales of easy-to-store weapons!) both the first and upper stages are solid rocket motors. There may be a change later on to more efficient liquids.

Siege · Post by **Siege** » 2008-09-05 03:40am

Master_Baerne wrote:Makes sense, and I agree - cruise missiles are much better suited to our purposes.

They'd preferably by supersonic cruise missiles.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-09-05 03:42am

Hmm...in this case, this makes FASTA about right on schedule. Liquid-fuelled orbital rockets are a new technology, after all, and they're a bitch to handle (necessary for moon flights, though).

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2008-09-05 04:08am

PeZook wrote:Hmm...in this case, this makes FASTA about right on schedule. Liquid-fuelled orbital rockets are a new technology, after all, and they're a bitch to handle (necessary for moon flights, though).

Well, I expect that is still some work on liquid-fueled rockets around the world. Not a few missile designs use storable liquids as well, though anything like the Rocketdyne F-1 is a pipe dream so far.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-09-05 04:20am

phongn wrote: Well, I expect that is still some work on liquid-fueled rockets around the world. Not a few missile designs use storable liquids as well, though anything like the Rocketdyne F-1 is a pipe dream so far.

Yeah, but it's not unreasonable to think liquid-fuelled orbital boosters are going to fail all the time

On another note: Awww...duchies getting into a spending contest with an Imperium!

So cute

Truly, it is a good time to be a citizen of our fair land.

Not if you don't like massive inflation brought about by deficit spending.

10 billion extra per year means 2.8% of a typical Duchy's GDP. With a tax level of, say, 55%, it means you'd need between 5-9% annual economic growth to fund this entirely with tax revenue.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-09-05 04:22am

PeZook wrote:Yeah, but it's not unreasonable to think liquid-fuelled orbital boosters are going to fail all the time

On another note: Awww...duchies getting into a spending contest with an Imperium!

So cute

Truly, it is a good time to be a citizen of our fair land.
Not if you don't like massive inflation brought about by deficit spending.

10 billion extra per year means 2.8% of a typical Duchy's GDP. With a tax level of, say, 55%, it means you'd need between 5-9% annual economic growth to fund this entirely with tax revenue.

Does that mean, if I choose to go holiday there, they will more than double their spending?

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-09-05 04:24am

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote: Does that mean, if I choose to go holiday there, they will more than double their spending?

Yeah, let's land an armored batallion each in some Frequesquan shithole. We'll bankrupt the FTO!

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-09-05 04:29am

PeZook wrote:
Fingolfin_Noldor wrote: Does that mean, if I choose to go holiday there, they will more than double their spending?
Yeah, let's land an armored batallion each in some Frequesquan shithole. We'll bankrupt the FTO!

Oooo.. that will be fun, *orders a Marine MEP to set sail for Frequese, along with the Justinian battlegroup, as the Emperor's flagship. Emperor commanding*

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-09-05 04:29am

But it's not like Czech has any other choice. He'll probably ask for money from his colonial master to compensate the sudden feeling of danger which resulted in 10 billion spending (FYI, that's 1/5 of what Russia and China spend, so talk about over-reacting yeah

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Czechmate · Post by **Czechmate** » 2008-09-05 04:33am

PeZook wrote:Not if you don't like massive inflation brought about by deficit spending.

10 billion extra per year means 2.8% of a typical Duchy's GDP. With a tax level of, say, 55%, it means you'd need between 5-9% annual economic growth to fund this entirely with tax revenue.

Actually, they're under the local version of the War Measures Act. The government can increase tax as much as it wants. The total defence budget will go up by approximately 2.5% (4+4+2=10) of the total yearly national GDP, which will mean the individual taxpayer pays approximately 1,230 local pounds more per-year over the course of those six years.

Which STILL leaves them at about 47k per-capita GDP, which is STILL way over the First World bar.

It all makes sense when you factor in IGD-3/GD-3, which is sort of like the War Measures Act + the Conscription Act plus some other 'we're doing this for your own good' bullshit.

Universal healthcare and education remain intact, too. They like that.

Stas Bush wrote: But it's not like Czech has any other choice. He'll probably ask for money from his colonial master to compensate the sudden feeling of danger which resulted in 10 billion spending (FYI, that's 1/5 of what Russia and China spend, so talk about over-reacting yeah )

You know what the great part is? Through some foresight in having General Directive Three enacted like five or six ingame months ago, I don't have to ask Beowulf for a cent.

Guess I'm not so dependent on my colonial master after all, huh?

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-09-05 04:38am

Czechmate wrote:Guess I'm not so dependent on my colonial master after all, huh?

We will see.

Czechmate · Post by **Czechmate** » 2008-09-05 04:44am

You know, Tian Jiao has more freedom to act and make decisions for itself than like 90% of historical colonial provinces. Beo simply doesn't feel like dictating things at me, so it's my responsibility to arrange arms purchases and defense planning on our behalf.

He simply has the bigger country with the bigger military. In fact, he'll soon be purchasing Challenger 2Cs from me to replace his tanks, whereas I'll be purchasing various makes of artillery from him. Symbiotic relationship. Also, as a note, I took all the losses in this past war and fought 90% of the air war alone, and the entirety of the ground war, and we won.

Tl;dr - whenever you make jokes about my being dependent on him, I snicker at your misconceptions and grin instead of feeling inadequate.

EDIT: I look forward to an interesting North Korea-South Korea dynamic between the puppeted PRSF and Tian Jiao. I hope you can pull it off properly.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-09-05 04:58am

So Tian Jiao is essentially still on a wartime footing? According to the "Building your own country" thread, you'll be spending as much on the military as you do on all other government services...if you're a democracy, this is bound to get some people rather angry

Czechmate · Post by **Czechmate** » 2008-09-05 05:00am

Gross Domestic Product: £400,000,000,000
-Average Gross Domestic Product (per capita): £49,209
-Average Actual Income (per capita): £31,739
-Economic Breakdown!
--Military Spending (11.5%): £46,000,000,000
--Government Social Programs (16%): £64,000,000,000
--Government Infrastructural Development Programs (8%): £32,000,000,000
--What We Let The People Keep: (64.5%): £258,000,000,000

juuuuuuust finished redoing the math. total tax rate comes to 35.5%; i could be charging more, it seems.

EDIT: and yes they're still on a wartime footing. they'll remain there until there isn't anyone apparently preparing to support their neighbors or invade or something. Frequesue is a messed up place right now, man.

EDIT 2: in case you're wondering, Tian Jiao is a parliamentary dictatorship, so to speak. the Governor usually runs something past the rubberstamp House of Lords, and then it goes into effect. direct colonial government. the people were under a monarchy that did effectively the same thing before, so they're used to it. they're treated alright, now that i think about it.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-09-05 05:03am

I'm insane:

Harpoon CE has been edited to now have:

for TR CVN names

Czechmate · Post by **Czechmate** » 2008-09-05 05:05am

You crazy, mang. In the mad-scientist way.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-09-05 05:10am

Ah, yeah, now these numbers look more reasonable

Heh, my entire point was that an Imperium could trigger runaway defence spending amongst FTO duchies by spending very little in proportion. Hell, without actually doing anything.

The presence of some warships and a division of lightly armed infantry caused Tian Jiao to start massive purchases of tanks, strategic bombers and modern fighters, and the CSR didn't have to increase its defence spending

Czechmate · Post by **Czechmate** » 2008-09-05 05:15am

It's less the actual military forces Stas has sent as it is the fact he's couped, recouped, and now annexed the PRSF entirely. The fact there's an infantry division there is just icing on the cake.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-09-05 05:18am

Uh, yeah. Because had you guys won the war with the PRSF you totally wouldn't have toppled their government, *I'm a smarmy asshole*?

And weren't people complaining that the new PRSF junta was "barely functional"?

Czechmate · Post by **Czechmate** » 2008-09-05 05:23am

We DID win the war. We just didn't get a chance to do the toppling, cause Stas came in, dick swinging in the wind. I was going to just annex the place and have a long Iraq-style occupation story.

But since Stas hijacked everything like the crazy-ass Ivan he is, it sorta ended up being a zero-sum war for TJ/TX.

And yeah. The junta didn't really control shit, but at least they were Southron. The Crimmies just turned the place into their own horrible North Korea. Except maybe even MORE of a pain to support, now that they've directly annexed it.

Anyway. It's all over cept the crying, and poor Southron ladies will weep for their lost sons and blahblahblah.

The revanchist movement in the military and their families I understand, but it being common to the average sicilian-commie schmuck on his farm might be somewhat of a stretch, so I hope Stas doesn't try to do that.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-09-05 05:25am

So tempted to post this:

Constantinople Times

Emperor Heraclius IV heads to PRSF for a holiday

I just wanted to get a breath of fresh air

Emperor Heraclius is going to PRSF for a holiday. Accompanying him will be the IBNS Justinian Battlegroup, along with a Wasp class LHD carrying 1 MEF and 2 RO/RO ships bearing equipment for Legio I, and 2 A380s bearing the men of Legio I, 2 air tankers, 4 Tu-142, and another 4 KDX-III destroyers. "You can't bring enough protection to protect the Emperor, really," said, Admiral Exasta. The Emperor plans to spend 1 mth holidaying there, and the troops will act as his personal guard there, along with a company of Varangian Guards.

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So should I?

Czechmate · Post by **Czechmate** » 2008-09-05 05:27am

"FREQUESUE TREATY ORGANIZATION PANICS, DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY: TIAN JIAO INDIFFERENT TO RESORT BUILDUP ON SOUTHRON SHORES"