RNC Convention Comment Thread.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2008-09-04 11:09pm

Cairber wrote:Can anyone tell me what the house was in the backdrop? He was in front of that house for most of the speech (well, you saw the green of the lawn on TV). That seems like a strange choice of backdrop considering the ridicule he has received over the housing thing.

Maybe that was indeed one of the several houses he's forgotten he owns.

Post by **Cairber** » 2008-09-04 11:11pm

Well, Chris Matthews thinks McCain will be ahead in the polls next week because he said the republican party has done a poor job etcetc.

God please no...

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2008-09-04 11:13pm

Cairber wrote:Well, Chris Matthews thinks McCain will be ahead in the polls next week because he said the republican party has done a poor job etcetc.

How does that conceivably flow logically? He'll be ahead because the Republicans did a poor job? That was Matthews' reasoning?

Post by **Cairber** » 2008-09-04 11:18pm

Patrick Degan wrote:
Cairber wrote:Well, Chris Matthews thinks McCain will be ahead in the polls next week because he said the republican party has done a poor job etcetc.
How does that conceivably flow logically? He'll be ahead because the Republicans did a poor job? That was Matthews' reasoning?

Yeah he basically said that, because McCain rebuked the republican party in his speech, he will get ahead in the polls.

Masami von Weizegger · Post by **Masami von Weizegger** » 2008-09-04 11:21pm

The theory, such as it is, is that McCain is now the Other Candidate for Change. He's going to reform from within with his mighty maverick powers.

Glocksman · Post by **Glocksman** » 2008-09-04 11:22pm

Cairber wrote:Can anyone tell me what the house was in the backdrop? He was in front of that house for most of the speech (well, you saw the green of the lawn on TV). That seems like a strange choice of backdrop considering the ridicule he has received over the housing thing.

Wait until the chroma key experts who hate McCain go to work on this speech.
Unlike his NOLA 'green screen' appearance, there's not even the campaign logo to break up the monochromatic backdrop.

It'll be a YouTube phenomenon within 24 hours.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2008-09-04 11:24pm

Cairber wrote:
Patrick Degan wrote:
Cairber wrote:Well, Chris Matthews thinks McCain will be ahead in the polls next week because he said the republican party has done a poor job etcetc.
How does that conceivably flow logically? He'll be ahead because the Republicans did a poor job? That was Matthews' reasoning?
Yeah he basically said that, because McCain rebuked the republican party in his speech, he will get ahead in the polls.

Polls have sporadically put McCain ahead of Obama at various points, it's nothing to panic about. Given enough pep-talks and staged events and he could conceivably wind up ahead in some polls. What matters more is the overall trend and that hasn't been very favorable to McCain. You may remember, his campaign was near bankruptcy, sub-Nader levels of funding as I recall, and he hasn't managed things much better since. If he gets a bump from the speech, he's likely to wipe it out again via something like the house gaffe.

Stormin · Post by **Stormin** » 2008-09-04 11:30pm

Stormbringer wrote: Polls have sporadically put McCain ahead of Obama at various points, it's nothing to panic about. Given enough pep-talks and staged events and he could conceivably wind up ahead in some polls. What matters more is the overall trend and that hasn't been very favorable to McCain. You may remember, his campaign was near bankruptcy, sub-Nader levels of funding as I recall, and he hasn't managed things much better since. If he gets a bump from the speech, he's likely to wipe it out again via something like the house gaffe.

Isn't that just the sad way of it? It isn't good enough that Obama does everything pretty much perfectly but McCain has to screw up constantly to stay behind regardless. Unfortunately I don't think Obama could recover from any sort of major screw-up.

Post by **Cairber** » 2008-09-04 11:31pm

I think I see these speeches and I am really scared because I was there...I got taken in by this shit and I didn't research anything or really look critically at my choices/ what the Republicans were saying.

Now I see and hear these speeches over the past two days and I can't imagine that 45% of the country is behind these people and 10% of the country hasn't made up their mind yet. And I wonder how many of those 10% are actually going to go fact check Palin and McCain's speeches, but I fear it will be very few (probably influenced by how I use to be).

I know we are way ahead (electoral-vote.com keeps my spirits up), but I still really worry.

But maybe it's good since it gets me moving and working for Obama.

Pulp Hero · Post by **Pulp Hero** » 2008-09-04 11:33pm

Masami von Weizegger wrote:The theory, such as it is, is that McCain is now the Other Candidate for Change. He's going to reform from within with his mighty maverick powers.

Yeah his policy of "throwing out all those politicians who've been running the country into the ground" while simultaneously getting support from GWB. It literally takes doublethink in order to believe this.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-09-04 11:45pm

It's a sad fucking day when the world's most powerful country is influenced by a guy showing off his scars.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2008-09-05 12:07am

Watching that speech was pure torture.

Hey look, I'm qualified to lead a nation now!

squidman001 · Post by **squidman001** » 2008-09-05 12:19am

I had a good chuckle during his speech when McCain said something about bringing the party back to the ways of Lincoln, Roosevelt, and Reagan. I was then reminded of 3 certain motivational photos posted on this very site...
Page 6 of the thread, about a third of the way down

Makes me proud that I donated to Obama the other night.

FSTargetDrone · Post by **FSTargetDrone** » 2008-09-05 12:19am

What a tired, tired old man. I don't want a man 72 years old running this country. I definitely don't want to take the chance that this guy has a heart attack or another bout of cancer that ends his presidency prematurely and leaves a More Fundy Than You Can Believe in charge.

I don't like his policies, I don't like his smarminess and I don't want an old man running the country.

No more morons and no more old men. And no old men with a spectacularly inappropriate vice president as his possible successor.

Who knows, Obama may not be a success, but I am willing to take the chance. I am more convinced of that now than ever.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2008-09-05 08:18am

Cairber wrote:Can anyone tell me what the house was in the backdrop? He was in front of that house for most of the speech (well, you saw the green of the lawn on TV). That seems like a strange choice of backdrop considering the ridicule he has received over the housing thing.

Walter Reed Middle School, North Hollywood, California, actually.

Yea, I have no idea why they'd do that either.

irishmick79 · Post by **irishmick79** » 2008-09-05 10:37am

SirNitram wrote:
Cairber wrote:Can anyone tell me what the house was in the backdrop? He was in front of that house for most of the speech (well, you saw the green of the lawn on TV). That seems like a strange choice of backdrop considering the ridicule he has received over the housing thing.
Walter Reed Middle School, North Hollywood, California, actually.

Yea, I have no idea why they'd do that either.

I think they were trying to show a picture of Walter Reed Medical Center, and the tecs in charge of getting the av material fucked it up.

I have a feeling that last night's turd of a speech only served to highlight the age issue for McCain. Even Biden looked more vibrant and youthful compared to him. I think the republicans have a problem on their hands in that their Vice Presidential candidate is generating more energy and attracting more attention than the guy actually running for president. I hope that once more undecided and independent voters realize how bat shit crazy Palin is, this dynamic will scare them off come election day.

Glocksman · Post by **Glocksman** » 2008-09-05 02:41pm

I already posted this in AMP, but it's worthy of sharing here.

Picture of McCain taken during an interview on the convention floor where he questioned Obama's patriotism:

I love me green screen.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2008-09-05 02:43pm

FSTargetDrone wrote:What a tired, tired old man. I don't want a man 72 years old running this country. I definitely don't want to take the chance that this guy has a heart attack or another bout of cancer that ends his presidency prematurely and leaves a More Fundy Than You Can Believe in charge.

I don't like his policies, I don't like his smarminess and I don't want an old man running the country.

No more morons and no more old men. And no old men with a spectacularly inappropriate vice president as his possible successor.

Who knows, Obama may not be a success, but I am willing to take the chance. I am more convinced of that now than ever.

You sure you don't want him?

Qwerty 42 · Post by **Qwerty 42** » 2008-09-05 03:20pm

I would love for the Republican Party to become the Party of Lincoln. Sadly, the last vestiges of Republican liberalism went when Ford did.

Glocksman · Post by **Glocksman** » 2008-09-05 03:32pm

Qwerty 42 wrote:I would love for the Republican Party to become the Party of Lincoln. Sadly, the last vestiges of Republican liberalism went when Ford did.

Heck, I'd settle for old school paleocons who believe in balanced budgets and a noninterventionist foreign policy.

The neocons and the theocons ran them out of the party, though.

Elfdart · Post by **Elfdart** » 2008-09-05 03:43pm

Qwerty 42 wrote:I would love for the Republican Party to become the Party of Lincoln. Sadly, the last vestiges of Republican liberalism went when Ford did.

Now it's the party of John Wilkes Booth.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2008-09-05 03:52pm

Elfdart wrote:
Qwerty 42 wrote:I would love for the Republican Party to become the Party of Lincoln. Sadly, the last vestiges of Republican liberalism went when Ford did.
Now it's the party of John Wilkes Booth.

What the hell does that even mean?

Elfdart · Post by **Elfdart** » 2008-09-05 04:00pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote: Now it's the party of John Wilkes Booth.

What the hell does that even mean?[/quote]

White supremacy, torture, kidnapping, imperialism, etc, etc.

McC · Post by **McC** » 2008-09-05 04:01pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:
Elfdart wrote:Now it's the party of John Wilkes Booth.
What the hell does that even mean?

Either what Elfdart said, or you can take it more literally and view it as the party that shot Lincoln in the back. Much the same thing.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2008-09-05 04:45pm

irishmick79 wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
Cairber wrote:Can anyone tell me what the house was in the backdrop? He was in front of that house for most of the speech (well, you saw the green of the lawn on TV). That seems like a strange choice of backdrop considering the ridicule he has received over the housing thing.
Walter Reed Middle School, North Hollywood, California, actually.

Yea, I have no idea why they'd do that either.
I think they were trying to show a picture of Walter Reed Medical Center, and the tecs in charge of getting the av material fucked it up.

I have a feeling that last night's turd of a speech only served to highlight the age issue for McCain. Even Biden looked more vibrant and youthful compared to him. I think the republicans have a problem on their hands in that their Vice Presidential candidate is generating more energy and attracting more attention than the guy actually running for president. I hope that once more undecided and independent voters realize how bat shit crazy Palin is, this dynamic will scare them off come election day.

The Principle Of Walter-Reed Middle School has a statement.

"It has been brought to the school's attention that a picture of the front of our school, Walter Reed Middle School, was used as a backdrop at the Republican National Convention. Permission to use the front of our school for the Republican National Convention was not given by our school nor is the use of our school's picture an endorsement of any political party or view."

This is on top of the artists who recorded Barracuda objecting to the use of their tune, because just like the other four times with music, McCain isn't even bothering to ask the people.

Dems will apparently have some kind of statement on this madness.