This article is from Medscape.com, but I'm not sure if I can link to it because it might require an activated account. I'll post the article and try the link.
NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Sept 03 - Researchers released the latest evidence Wednesday showing no association between vaccination with the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine and autism spectrum disorders with gastrointestinal (GI) disturbances. The pendulum has swung back and forth on the issue, but these findings, for this vaccine, do not support a link.
The findings come from a study that examined measles virus RNA in the bowel after vaccination in children with GI disorders and autism and in children with GI disorders alone, led by Dr. Mady Hornig of Columbia University in New York, and published in the Public Library of Science Wednesday evening.
One objective of this case-control study was to determine if these children are more likely than children with GI disorders alone to have measles virus RNA in the bowel, with or without bowel inflammation, after vaccination.
Another objective was to determine if autism with or without the onset of GI symptoms was temporally related to MMR vaccination.
Dr. Hornig's team studied 25 US children with autism undergoing ileocolonoscopy and 13 age-matched controls with GI symptoms but without autism.
Ileocecal tissue was evaluated by real-time reverse transcription (RT)-PCR for the presence of measles virus RNA at three laboratories. One of the assays the labs used was the same used in the original study showing a link between measles virus and autism spectrum disorders.
"We found no differences between case and control groups in the presence of measles virus RNA in ileum and cecum," the investigators report. "Results were consistent across the three laboratory sites."
"GI symptoms and autism onset were unrelated to MMR timing," Dr. Hornig and colleagues add.
"We are confident that there is no link between MMR vaccination and autism," principal investigator Dr. W. Ian Lipkin, also of Columbia University, told Reuters Health during a briefing held to announce the study findings.
"The vaccine safety system is very extensive and the MMR vaccine has been used a long time," Dr. Lipkin added. "In the context of the diseases it prevents, its use is very important."
"These findings are true only for the MMR vaccine," he cautioned. "They don't consider mercury, PCBs, any other vaccines...or any of the other things linked with autism."
It's nice to see researchers in the medical community doing all the right things to debunk this stupid myth. I just wonder if any of the tards that believe it will ever change their minds. At least they're looking wackier and wackier in the face of hard evidence.
I hope we get similar studies for other vaccines. If we're lucky, this will be the first in a series. As it is, I think the MMR vaccine is one of the big ones, so if only a few people see this and get their kids vaccinated, this will lower the chance of an outbreak.
It's nice to see researchers in the medical community doing all the right things to debunk this stupid myth. I just wonder if any of the tards that believe it will ever change their minds. At least they're looking wackier and wackier in the face of hard evidence.
I suspect that a lot of the kids who don't get vaccinated are not the shrill anti-vaccine activists' kids - they're just children whose parents hear the oft-repeated lie and believe it. I'm cautiously optimistic here.
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How much will this actually help, though? There's been plenty of various inquiries into the original poorly done claim that autism was linked to vaccines and it hasn't seemed to slow down anyone yet. It's a bit like homeopathy; there's piles of evidence homeopathy doesn't do shit for you but droves of people still go for it, anyway.
I sincerly hope this sways most people into halting this moronic tide of anti-vaccination people. We've all seen the stories about the increased occurance of various diseases.
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Erik von Nein wrote:How much will this actually help, though? There's been plenty of various inquiries into the original poorly done claim that autism was linked to vaccines and it hasn't seemed to slow down anyone yet. It's a bit like homeopathy; there's piles of evidence homeopathy doesn't do shit for you but droves of people still go for it, anyway.
Oh, I agree. Many people will never be convinced, but they're looking wackier as more research is performed. For the people who are on the fence, this kind of research is very important. For the people who have decided that no amount of evidence will ever be enough to disprove their idea, I think we should really just label them as nuts and move on.
In the mental health sciences, there is a phenomenon known as an "overvalued idea." From Dorland's Medical Dictionary:
Overvalued Idea: A false or exaggerated belief sustained beyond reason or logic but with less rigidity than a delusion, also often being less patently unbelievable.
Someone who flat out refuses to let go of the irrational belief (and often obsession) that, in this case, austism is caused by vaccines is probably suffering (I use the term generously) from an overvalued idea. Overvalued ideas are generally viewed as borderline pathological and, interestingly, some psychotropic medications have been shown to be effective in ameliorating them.
Superman wrote:Oh, I agree. Many people will never be convinced, but they're looking wackier as more research is performed. For the people who are on the fence, this kind of research is very important. For the people who have decided that no amount of evidence will ever be enough to disprove their idea, I think we should really just label them as nuts and move on.
True, it'll probably help keep more people from hopping the bandwagon, but that's only if people actually read the articles about this study and actually comprehend it. Hopefully they won't blow it off as a conspiracy.
Honestly, I'm doubtfuly about the fence sitters being too convinced. I've seen far too many otherwise apparently intellegent people buy into crap like this because of their preconcieved (and largely wrong) notions about the medical industry in general, usually colored by big pharmaceutical companies.
Then again, I could be just far too cynical about this whole thing.
Superman wrote:In the mental health sciences, there is a phenomenon known as an "overvalued idea." From Dorland's Medical Dictionary:
Overvalued Idea: A false or exaggerated belief sustained beyond reason or logic but with less rigidity than a delusion, also often being less patently unbelievable.
Someone who flat out refuses to let go of the irrational belief (and often obsession) that, in this case, austism is caused by vaccines is probably suffering (I use the term generously) from an overvalued idea. Overvalued ideas are generally viewed as borderline pathological and, interestingly, some psychotropic medications have been shown to be effective in ameliorating them.
Interesting. Do you have anything more about this? Especially the pyschotropic experiments?
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Hey, this is great! More research on autism. Maybe they'll someday set aside some tests to study the long term effects of electroshock therapy, restraints, farcical diet plans, and pill prescriptions that have nothing to do with the illness!
....Nah, who'm I kidding.
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SirNitram wrote:Hey, this is great! More research on autism. Maybe they'll someday set aside some tests to study the long term effects of electroshock therapy, restraints, farcical diet plans, and pill prescriptions that have nothing to do with the illness!
Yeah, you're right. All research into autism should be abandoned so that angry people can feel better. Last time I checked, red herrings don't make for great arguments.
SirNitram wrote:Hey, this is great! More research on autism. Maybe they'll someday set aside some tests to study the long term effects of electroshock therapy, restraints, farcical diet plans, and pill prescriptions that have nothing to do with the illness!
Yeah, you're right. All research into autism should be abandoned so that angry people can feel better. Last time I checked, red herrings don't make for great arguments.
Now, where did I say we should stop testing on autism? Hmmm? If you can't find it, it's because it's not there. I would like it if the time and effort to receive the same thing we knew before(That the autism/vaccine link is bogus) was devoted to useful autism research.
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SirNitram wrote:Now, where did I say we should stop testing on autism? Hmmm? If you can't find it, it's because it's not there. I would like it if the time and effort to receive the same thing we knew before(That the autism/vaccine link is bogus) was devoted to useful autism research.
Oh please. You responded to an article which has to do with autism research by bringing up a bunch of red herrings. You can pretend that's not what you were doing all you want, but I really doubt you're fooling anyone.
I agree that research needs to go on in all aspects of this issue, but right now there exists a particularly vocal bunch of people who think that their kids shouldn't be vaccinated. Frankly, it's unusual to see scientists to fight back against the conspiracy nutjobs. I'd like to see more of it.
SirNitram wrote:Now, where did I say we should stop testing on autism? Hmmm? If you can't find it, it's because it's not there. I would like it if the time and effort to receive the same thing we knew before(That the autism/vaccine link is bogus) was devoted to useful autism research.
Oh please. You responded to an article which has to do with autism research by bringing up a bunch of red herrings. You can pretend that's not what you were doing all you want, but I really doubt you're fooling anyone.
Well, you're free to pretend you can read my mind through the coax cables as long as you'd like.
I agree that research needs to go on in all aspects of this issue, but right now there exists a particularly vocal bunch of people who think that their kids shouldn't be vaccinated. Frankly, it's unusual to see scientists to fight back against the conspiracy nutjobs. I'd like to see more of it.
Do you perhaps think that same motivation is behind what I mentioned? The main difference is that the vaccine group, while more dangerous to the many, are also smaller.
Once again, I never said discontinue research into it. Feel free to yell and scream you know my mind better than I do, though. That's pretty amusing, I will admit.
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Regardless of Nitram's Tangent(If your not purposing to stop this research, what the hell are you Purposing? You say don't read your mind, ok fine, but we need to because I have no idea what you were trying to say),
This is a no-shit issue. Sad to say some people can generate their own shit and once lautched onto an idea won't give it up no matter what the evidence because they have begun to Belief(That's Belief with a big "B") in it, and no matter the evidence it won't be disprove to them no matter what,
Now then here's what we know, Mercury in very large doses will kill you, Mercury in medium doses over a good length of time can cause mental degradation in a manor some-what similar to the symptoms of Autism. Mercury is used as a preservative agent. The Dosage size is so small as to be several magnitudes lower.
So they went ahead and removed the mercury(And used a different more expensive storage agent) and lo and behold no change. All autism increases can be explained as the direct result of nationwide testing and much better autism testing. The fact kids are tested for Autism the same time they get their vaccinations became a link in these people's minds. It does not make sense because no valid method has been purposed on what's could cause a condition which is believed to be genetic to begin with.
No matter, that won't change because they Believe(Big "B") and no amount of evidence will change that, because our culture and our media have spent the last forty years telling us we can't trust Doctors, not should be skeptical but should not trust them period because they are all out to kill us slowy so they can make a profit.
When you view the world through that frame of mind, ignoring any study which contradicts your Vaccine=Autism idea makes perverted sense.
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It was pretty clear that autism has nothing to do with these vaccines, end of story. What Nitram was mocking was the fact that we have yet another concrete piece of evidence debunking something that should have already swayed any rational, informed mind. As it is, you may as well commission more studies into proving the Earth is older than 6,000 years to convince YECs. It's not changing squat, and the incredulous response we're now arguing over is to do with research trying to prove that which has already been re-soundly proven and take valuable time away from other things to do or not to do with autism.
You cannot change a religious point-of-view. People who blindly follow that one GP's words on a link between autism and these vaccines are preaching a gospel of ignorance and suffering. They need a beating to the head with the sense stick, not another paper they can happily ignore as being Big Pharma or government health propaganda.
Admiral Valdemar wrote:What Nitram was mocking was the fact that we have yet another concrete piece of evidence debunking something that should have already swayed any rational, informed mind.
Actually, it's more bitterness that while this will get plenty of research, actually studying what the long term effects of current 'cure' treatments will likely never happen.
I don't mind research like this, but knowing it'll be futile to the looney tunes while studies on the more widespread beliefs.. Not to mention the dangerous ones.. will not happen is anger-inducing enough to cause comment.
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Nitram, it's not completely unreasonable to look at your sarcastic comments and interpret them as an attack. If I was out of line in what I said, then I apologize.
Valdemar, I completely agree with you, but I also think that more evidence on the side of the truth serves to make the conspiracy cooks seem that much nuttier. When these issues are debated in courts, for example, citing research can hopefully make a difference.
Superman wrote:Nitram, it's not completely unreasonable to look at your sarcastic comments and interpret them as an attack. If I was out of line in what I said, then I apologize.
Eh, no harm no foul in my mind. Just see my post above yours to see why I vented my spleen.
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