A new Space Battle movie is out

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2002-08-11 06:42pm

Dark Primus wrote:Guys, let me quote Big Steve on this subject.

Jesus fucking Christ. Are you some kind of moron? If we're not supposed to discuss it in the SW vs ST light, WHY DID YOU POST IT TO THIS FORUM?

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2002-08-11 06:44pm

Dark Primus wrote:Oh i am sorry but i thought you guys had the brain power to post mature and constructive criticism instead going after your SW wet pansy dreams, my fault.

That's why it belongs in the FUCKING OT FORUM, YOU MORON. Do you know what we do in this forum? Did you read the title? We discuss STAR TREK versus STAR WARS. We do not review movies.

Tron · Post by **Tron** » 2002-08-11 06:45pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote: So it's okay to insult people, but it's not okay to cuss. Whee--all aboard the logic train, next stop Tron-town.

It is quite all right to swear, I myself have done it on ocassion, I just find it rather amusing when one does it to me, when I have not done it to them. And as I have said before, I see the use of more than casual swearing as a sign of low intelligence at the worst, and a sign of low vocabulary skills at the least.

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2002-08-11 06:45pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:Ofcourse the only real way to solve this is to make a movie like this, except inversed, and post it and measure that reaction, and it should be posted in the vs. debates on SB then.

We will then have a mirror scenario to compare with.

Personally I am in doubt that all the people really thinks that it's just for enjoyment and a hobbie and so on, I think there is definitly a few people out there watching that movie feeling real good to see SW being beat.
I mean with vs. debating and the bad blood that comes of it, ofcourse some people are just loosers who are way too serious about this.
That problem is called sci-fi envy, very similar to penis envy.

I know some trekkies might take the movies as evidence to prove one universe is better than the other.

I have seen those kind of people. They still believe Feds ships are immune to turbolasers.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-08-11 06:45pm

Tron wrote:
SirNitram wrote:Oh, the big mature SBers are here to tell us we're immature for enjoying a hobby and not liking what they like. Well, once the Thought Police are done touting how wonderful they are, can I make a fanfilm of a broken TIE fighter destroying the whole Federation fleet?
Please do, if it is of good quality, I will probably enjoy it.

And will you and the others that came here from SB leap to defend it when it comes under fire in SB's forums? I truly doubt it.

Isil`Zha · Post by **Isil`Zha** » 2002-08-11 06:45pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Tron wrote:Yep, that I did, but I did it without resorting to offensive language. Of course, now that I know that that sort of thing is permissable here, my posting style may change, but I sort of doubt it.
Isil'Zha--
If you're not going to contribute, don't post.

So you support his pointless flaming?

Ubiquitous · Post by **Ubiquitous** » 2002-08-11 06:46pm

His Divine Shadow wrote: Personally I am in doubt that all the people really thinks that it's just for enjoyment and a hobbie and so on, I think there is definitly a few people out there watching that movie feeling real good to see SW being beat.
I mean with vs. debating and the bad blood that comes of it, ofcourse some people are just loosers who are way too serious about this.
That problem is called sci-fi envy, very similar to penis envy.

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You don't seam to understand ... If the movie is good, then I will like it no matter which side wins! It really doesn't matter to me!

You warsies need to open your eyes. This is NOT some conspiricy by the evil trekists to make wars look bad, it is just EYE CANDY, and good eye candy at that. Chill out guys!

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2002-08-11 06:47pm

SirNitram wrote:
Tron wrote:
SirNitram wrote:Oh, the big mature SBers are here to tell us we're immature for enjoying a hobby and not liking what they like. Well, once the Thought Police are done touting how wonderful they are, can I make a fanfilm of a broken TIE fighter destroying the whole Federation fleet?
Please do, if it is of good quality, I will probably enjoy it.
And will you and the others that came here from SB leap to defend it when it comes under fire in SB's forums? I truly doubt it.

Why should we defend it, it is nothing but a movie. There is nothing to defend. As long it is good then people will watch it and admire it, probably inspire one and another to start their own movie projects.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2002-08-11 06:48pm

Isil`Zha wrote:So you support his pointless flaming?

We're discussing the purpose of these forums and the technical accuracy of the movie. I'd say there's a point there.

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2002-08-11 06:48pm

SirNitram wrote:
Tron wrote:
SirNitram wrote:Oh, the big mature SBers are here to tell us we're immature for enjoying a hobby and not liking what they like. Well, once the Thought Police are done touting how wonderful they are, can I make a fanfilm of a broken TIE fighter destroying the whole Federation fleet?
Please do, if it is of good quality, I will probably enjoy it.
And will you and the others that came here from SB leap to defend it when it comes under fire in SB's forums? I truly doubt it.

Why should we defend it, it is nothing but a movie. There is nothing to defend there is nothing to hate. As long it is good then people will watch it and admire it, probably inspire one and another to start their own movie projects.

Isil`Zha · Post by **Isil`Zha** » 2002-08-11 06:51pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Isil`Zha wrote:So you support his pointless flaming?
We're discussing the purpose of these forums and the technical accuracy of the movie. I'd say there's a point there.

How sad...

Isil`Zha · Post by **Isil`Zha** » 2002-08-11 06:52pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Isil`Zha wrote:So you support his pointless flaming?
We're discussing the purpose of these forums and the technical accuracy of the movie. I'd say there's a point there.

Oh, and you avoided my question.

So you do support flaming here then?

Tron · Post by **Tron** » 2002-08-11 06:56pm

SirNitram wrote: And will you and the others that came here from SB leap to defend it when it comes under fire in SB's forums? I truly doubt it.

There would probably be no need to defend it, the denizens of Spacebattles can tell the difference between a fan film, and cannon. If it was attacked on the basis of someone saying that X ship would last longer or not be destroyed by Y ship, then you bet your ass I would defend the film. I may make comments about the technical quality of the film, but I sure as hell wouldn't be making comments about which ship could blow the other up faster.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2002-08-11 06:58pm

Isil`Zha wrote:Oh, and you avoided my question. So you do support flaming here then?

I wouldn't say we support it as much as condone it. You've seen Wong's hatemail page, right? That's what it's like. There's nothing wrong with a good insult here and there, provided that the discussion goes on.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2002-08-11 07:00pm

Tron wrote:There would probably be no need to defend it, the denizens of Spacebattles can tell the difference between a fan film, and cannon. If it was attacked on the basis of someone saying that X ship would last longer or not be destroyed by Y ship, then you bet your ass I would defend the film. I may make comments about the technical quality of the film, but I sure as hell wouldn't be making comments about which ship could blow the other up faster.

So we come the classic impasse--the difference of opinion. I think this discussion is just about over, and I think we should spare the film from further degradation. GAT? Crayz?

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-08-11 07:03pm

ALI_G wrote:You don't seam to understand ... If the movie is good, then I will like it no matter which side wins! It really doesn't matter to me!

So be it, then, I can say exactly the same about it.

Personally I didn't mind it, I didn't get much of the overly pro-ST feeling either, I just saw a defiant strafing what looked like an ISD of unknown condition, doesn't say "Good UFP Niceguys kicks Evil Imperial Ass" to me, but the UFP/Shadow hybrid kinda bugged me though, it's just too out of character for the UFP, they aren't bad, they don't have a bad side come to think of it, it's been conditioned out, or so the ST show tells me anyway, a future without such things.

A Shadow/Imperial hybrid, now that would have made sense, I thought that this was bad vs. good, so what are the shadows helping the UFP for anyway?

I'd also like to point out in the opening scenes, it said "an unstoppable enemy" whats the point if the Imperials are just going to be some useless cannon fodder?
Clearly we must see imperials kicking ass later on too, the story demands it, it has a story right?

Isil`Zha · Post by **Isil`Zha** » 2002-08-11 07:03pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Isil`Zha wrote:Oh, and you avoided my question. So you do support flaming here then?
I wouldn't say we support it as much as condone it. You've seen Wong's hatemail page, right? That's what it's like. There's nothing wrong with a good insult here and there, provided that the discussion goes on.

Except that there was no need to do it in the first place.... not to mention the reason people make 3D space battles like these: EYE CANDY, that's it... if your fictional ship isn't the victor... LIFE GOES ON. *gasp*

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2002-08-11 07:05pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Dark Primus wrote:Guys, let me quote Big Steve on this subject.
Jesus fucking Christ. Are you some kind of moron? If we're not supposed to discuss it in the SW vs ST light, WHY DID YOU POST IT TO THIS FORUM?

No i am perfectly sane, i can guarante you on that.
The movie is made by a fan who happens to like 3D and scifi he is doing it out of his own free time. Since it does have STvsSWvsB5 doesn't mean they are up for debate. Since there is a large traffic in this forum and hoped that someone would appreciate the art and effort he had done. The movie has nothing to do with realism.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-08-11 07:06pm

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Guys, let me quote Big Steve on this subject. ---------------------------------------------------------

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And finally, who gives a shit? These movies are for eye candy, they're fun to watch, they're not supposed to reflect one person or another's take on the whole "ST vs. B5" or "SW vs. B5" debating thing. If you don't like it, then fuck off.
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As I said elsewhere I don't like it because of the ST, B5,SW problems, rather I don't like it because the audio quailty is bad, the music chose, inaporate, the somewhat lackluster animation on everything except the Voyager, the lakc of any concivable plot(How much time exatly does it take to splice in a Silent Movie Still five second long still frame say of Data Holding up a Card-board sign saying one Day B5 and St suddly poofed next to each other, We blaim Q, Then The Empire showed up and this is what happened.)

You warsies need to open your eyes. This is NOT some conspiricy by the evil trekists to make wars look bad, it is just EYE CANDY, and good eye candy at that. Chill out guys!

As stated above the movie is terrible regardless of who wins you seem to be missing that point there Al

Tron Said

Yep, that I did, but I did it without resorting to offensive language. Of course, now that I know that that sort of thing is permissable here, my posting style may change, but I sort of doubt it.

Allow me to quote Resident SirNitram stated Beliefs on that matter

I am the Evil Warsie Asshole , so don't debate with me if you want me to be prissy and nice while you vomit forth stupidity.

Whos to blaim me for sometimes buying into that belief?

More Tron here we go agian

A mistake on your part, I haven't repeated myself. Of course, you may be geting your posts mixed up with mine. I can understand that.

*snip ad homen personal attack-Edited out a lame crack about my IQ

If you noticed Captian Brillant I later corrected myself and said, ahh I see you made a mistake, Consider we here have to deal with Darkstart and his invicible Ignorancy every-day we tend to become jaded to repeating the same point, intentional or otherwise

Actually, I haven't called you anything except unintelligent. In my previous posts, I was refering to "Fanatical Warsies" as a whole, and used "you" in the editorial sense, not the personal. Of course if you are so paranoid, that you (this time used in the personal sense) have to take it personally, there is nothing I can do about that.

You respond to my post, Quote me and you say I'm some-how supposed to devine that you where not talking about me?
Saddly I do not posses Telepthy(Be glad I don't) so try and be slight more clearer in the future
Espcial as you would not know, English is not my first language so symtical nusicasans are sometimes lost on me, though yes I do make a point of pride my spoken English is better than Most American's

Tron agian

At last, something substantial, other than "The ISDs didn't win".

And if you could read you would see thats not the only problem I had with that series of movies or you would know if you read my posts or my repeating that three times in this post and twices elsewhere.
I'm repeating myself and it looks like you finaly read it.

One more brilllant Bit of Tron

I also note, that you could have used an edit funtion, too. Which seems odd, considering that your previous posts were fairly well made, with no typos, and very few grammatical errors. Do you lose typing skill as you get angrier? And yes, that was an attack on you, but at least I will admit it, rather than call the pot black.

Could you Tron kindly Enlighten me as to the location of the Edit button?

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2002-08-11 07:10pm

Isil`Zha wrote:Except that there was no need to do it in the first place....

Flaming can be quite cathartic. You should try it sometime.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-08-11 07:14pm

ca·thar·tic Pronunciation Key (k-thärtk)
adj.
Inducing catharsis; purgative.

n.
An agent for purging the bowels, especially a laxative.

Home Grown Reamdy there Pablo?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-08-11 07:17pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Isil`Zha wrote:Except that there was no need to do it in the first place....
Flaming can be quite cathartic. You should try it sometime.

Allow me to demonstrate.

Fuck the fucking fuck off, fucker.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2002-08-11 07:27pm

Mr Bean wrote:Home Grown Reamdy there Pablo?

It has multiple meanings, Captain Specific.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-08-11 07:36pm

(sigh)

When it comes to scifi space combat done by fans, "realism" is not the most important factor for me. In the Alpha Quadrant series done by Johan Alm it had the B5 forces and the ST forces in a yo-yo back and forth between who kicks whos ass, and it was still very enjoyable to watch. At least 2 of his movies also had SW ships in a higher power braket then ST ships, and I didn't mind then either. When it comes to fanmade movies realism typically isn't the main concern. Its typically something fun to watch with lots of cool explossions and the sort. Realism is typically left to the respective series owners who make the canon space battles. Anything else is fanmade, and subject to the whims of the creator (no doubt anyone with a SW biass will create a movie that favors SW beyond the "truth" regardless of the "truthful" outcome).

RayCav of ASVS · Post by **RayCav of ASVS** » 2002-08-11 07:52pm

I wait through a total of 20 minutes of download time for this shit? What the fuck is this?

Voyager gets attacked by ISDs and suddenly B5 shows up? What the fuck?

Where the fuck are the ISD's other guns?

A Defiant with Shadow tech?

What the fuck do the Naboo fighters have to do with anything? From what I can tell they were launched from the ISD hangars, and they end up in a fight with Imperial forces?

And the Defiant just sits there in the middle of an Imperial fleet, and ALLOWS ITSELF TO GET BLOWN UP BY NOT DOING SHIT? WHAT THE FUCK WAS THIS GUY SMOKING WHEN HE (POORLY) RENDERED THIS SHIT?