SD.Net World Redux Comment Thread II

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-09-09 09:13am

Well, it says 10 sec from detection to launch in most AN/SPY characterizations.

The calculation for missile intercept times are also erring on the side of the defender (I'll make more complex ones now that I'm home) - they take the top speed of the SAM and simply apply it to the distance, which is of course incorrect (the AShM is also closing in during this time with a none-zero speed, the SAM is accelerating, not just starting with top speed).

EDIT: I've updated. Basically the AShM speed is now factored in the closure time for the SAM and AShM. But, I'm still dealing with a rather SAM-slated analysis since acceleration time and the distance passed during acceleration for ESSM and SM-2 are unknown to me. The offsetting issue could be the range of detection which could be increased compared to my dirty calculation - via AWACS, etc. - but without AWACS, supersonic and hypersonic AShMs do pose a serious threat. Killer weapons like the hypersonics are only recently created (and BrahMos-II doesn't exist yet and won't for years, with it's outrageous claimed cruise speed) - but even the current age AShMs are rather potent.

Basically one could now calculate at least roughly how many ASMs of various types would need to overcome the radar channels.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-09-09 09:45am

BTW, pleae assume we notified the top brass of all SNC nations of the planned resue operation. After all, we wouldn't want some CSR border patrol to get into a firefight with the rescuers if, for whatever reason, they have to leg it to the CSR border

DarthShady · Post by **DarthShady** » 2008-09-09 09:57am

PeZook wrote:BTW, pleae assume we notified the top brass of all SNC nations of the planned resue operation. After all, we wouldn't want some CSR border patrol to get into a firefight with the rescuers if, for whatever reason, they have to leg it to the CSR border

Perhaps you would like Nod to arrange for a few...distractions, to cover your escape.

Siege · Post by **Siege** » 2008-09-09 09:58am

PeZook, sincere compliments for the awesome storytelling so far. I'm rooting for your secret agent men all the way!

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-09-09 09:59am

Sure, sure

I must say PeZook your special forces are awesome

If you plan some operation in the vinicity of the CSR, feel free to use some of my Spetsnaz guys (Alpha and others) next time. They are all PCIA-subordinate, in case you need them

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-09-09 10:02am

DarthShady wrote: Perhaps you would like Nod to arrange for a few...distractions, to cover your escape.

No need, the paras can handle themselves,but it would be nice to have a safehouse or six standing by. We like to hedge our bets, after all.

What would be extremely good to have would be an LHD standing by just offshore with helicopters ready. Right now, they have to fly in from PeZookia, and that's pretty risky, and our own LHDs couldn't make it in time.

Siegetank wrote:PeZook, sincere compliments for the awesome storytelling so far. I'm rooting for your secret agent men all the way!

Well, you should also thank Norseman, we've been talking this through for some time now

EDIT: And if you haven't noticed, he actually co-wrote the last part, and I have more material from him - for later.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-09-09 10:05am

DarthShady wrote:
PeZook wrote:BTW, pleae assume we notified the top brass of all SNC nations of the planned resue operation. After all, we wouldn't want some CSR border patrol to get into a firefight with the rescuers if, for whatever reason, they have to leg it to the CSR border
Perhaps you would like Nod to arrange for a few...distractions, to cover your escape.

Bah.. Flatten, or rather incinerate, the area with Greek Fire.

DarthShady · Post by **DarthShady** » 2008-09-09 10:08am

PeZook wrote:
DarthShady wrote: Perhaps you would like Nod to arrange for a few...distractions, to cover your escape.
No need, the paras can handle themselves,but it would be nice to have a safehouse or six standing by. We like to hedge our bets, after all.

What would be extremely good to have would be an LHD standing by just offshore with helicopters ready. Right now, they have to fly in from PeZookia, and that's pretty risky, and our own LHDs couldn't make it in time.

Well, Nod has quite a few safehouses in the area. Because there are a lot of Nod agents there, they are all at your disposal. Also, feel free to use any other USSR assets in the are(navy ships included).

Awesome story so far, can't wait to see what happens.

EDIT:

Bah.. Flatten, or rather incinerate, the area with Greek Fire. Very Happy

You just want to try out your new toys.

Post by **Coyote** » 2008-09-09 10:09am

I must say, PeZook, the story line involving the slavers has had me on the edge of my seat the last several days. Very well done!

TimothyC · Post by **TimothyC** » 2008-09-09 12:24pm

My Net connection is iffy again. I'll be out until this weekend at the soonest.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2008-09-09 02:52pm

Stas Bush wrote:Wait, let me get it straight - Coiler gets overthrown and the MESS contemplates invading the place? That's a mighty fine idea. Even more simple than my half-assed shot at a military base in the Western waters.

We weren't seriously contemplating it. I was just indulging my inner-Shep for a moment there.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2008-09-09 03:48pm

I wouldn't be involved in such an endeavor.

I'm too busy pickin' a fight.

Czechmate · Post by **Czechmate** » 2008-09-09 05:54pm

Stas Bush wrote:Oh and Enemy Navy - charted the missile armament of a Burke (it's variable, and I haven't yet quite figured out where do the ASROCs fit in if a ship's standard complement includes Tomahawks instead, etc.).

Guns and other ships will follow.

VLASROCs are included in moderate numbers (maybe 6-10 missiles) in the ship's VLS silos, since they're primarily for antisub use; tomahawks are for blowing up huts hundreds of miles inland.

Also; nice job.

Post by **Steve** » 2008-09-09 07:26pm

Y'know, if we could align our world borders to the actual Earth map and such, I wonder if some aspiring players could make an SDN World Redux mod for HOI2: Doomsday? That'd be kinda cool.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-09-09 09:29pm

Steve wrote:Y'know, if we could align our world borders to the actual Earth map and such, I wonder if some aspiring players could make an SDN World Redux mod for HOI2: Doomsday? That'd be kinda cool.

What do you by "HOI2: Doomsday"?

Karmic Knight · Post by **Karmic Knight** » 2008-09-09 09:31pm

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:
Steve wrote:Y'know, if we could align our world borders to the actual Earth map and such, I wonder if some aspiring players could make an SDN World Redux mod for HOI2: Doomsday? That'd be kinda cool.
What do you by "HOI2: Doomsday"?

I believe he refers to this.

Czechmate · Post by **Czechmate** » 2008-09-09 10:14pm

Steve wrote:Y'know, if we could align our world borders to the actual Earth map and such, I wonder if some aspiring players could make an SDN World Redux mod for HOI2: Doomsday? That'd be kinda cool.

There's a (n albeit very difficult to use) map editor now. With a lot of work you could directly duplicate Nova Nova Terra or the Ace Combat world or basically anything you want.

Raj Ahten · Post by **Raj Ahten** » 2008-09-09 10:17pm

Karmic Knight, now you want me to do a map of the CFR eh? I was hoping to avoid that

. It might be neccesary though. I'll definitely do some more work on the various factions to give them basic orders of battle and so forth.

As for the CFR's ocean access, that area is I believe controlled by Klavostani backed warlords.

Karmic Knight · Post by **Karmic Knight** » 2008-09-09 10:21pm

Raj Ahten wrote:Karmic Knight, now you want me to do a map of the CFR eh? I was hoping to avoid that . It might be neccesary though. I'll definitely do some more work on the various factions to give them basic orders of battle and so forth.

As for the CFR's ocean access, that area is I believe controlled by Klavostani backed warlords.

Well, it is kind of hard to draw up new nations, if we don't know at least their general land claims, strength and other useful information.

Alright, would you say they would be ready for a sort of morale boasting sovereignty grant? That could be the first step in cleaning up the CFR, getting an independent republic/City-State out of it.

Raj Ahten · Post by **Raj Ahten** » 2008-09-09 10:26pm

Karmic Knight wrote:
Raj Ahten wrote:Karmic Knight, now you want me to do a map of the CFR eh? I was hoping to avoid that . It might be neccesary though. I'll definitely do some more work on the various factions to give them basic orders of battle and so forth.

As for the CFR's ocean access, that area is I believe controlled by Klavostani backed warlords.
Well, it is kind of hard to draw up new nations, if we don't know at least their general land claims, strength and other useful information.

Alright, would you say they would be ready for a sort of morale boasting sovereignty grant? That could be the first step in cleaning up the CFR, getting an independent republic/City-State out of it.

Well if you are talking about the areas near Klavostan you might want to talk to Klavo Hunter about your idea. He sees that area as in his sphere of influence I believe. He also knows more about the political situation in that sector (having done work on it as it border's his nation).

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-09-09 11:22pm

Hey Stas, I was looking at your spreadsheets and...

Are those Shkvals really in service now?

Shinn Langley Soryu · Post by **Shinn Langley Soryu** » 2008-09-09 11:30pm

I wonder if non-Canissians are allowed to offer arms to the Katangwa Free State. There's a whole lot of decommissioned and surplus equipment I have that Colonel S'vimbi would be interested in; I could also build some new stuff for him if he wants.

I'll have to wait for Shroom to return before I can make an offer for some F-15 ACTIVEs and F-16XLs, but I can get to work on upgrading my army and navy right now. Who has some decommissioned Spruances or Kidds that need to go? Alternately, who's willing to build me some Arleigh Burkes and additional Sachsens? Who manufactures M2 Bradleys or their equivalents? I know Byzantium operates the K2 Black Panther, but I'd like to keep my options open by seeing if there are any countries that build Leopard 2s or are willing to put together a consignment of M1 Abrams with Rheinmetall L55 guns.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-09-09 11:37pm

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:I wonder if non-Canissians are allowed to offer arms to the Katangwa Free State. There's a whole lot of decommissioned and surplus equipment I have that Colonel S'vimbi would be interested in; I could also build some new stuff for him if he wants.

I'll have to wait for Shroom to return before I can make an offer for some F-15 ACTIVEs and F-16XLs, but I can get to work on upgrading my army and navy right now. Who has some decommissioned Spruances or Kidds that need to go? Alternately, who's willing to build me some Arleigh Burkes and additional Sachsens? Who manufactures M2 Bradleys or their equivalents? I know Byzantium operates the K2 Black Panther, but I'd like to keep my options open by seeing if there are any countries that build Leopard 2s or are willing to put together a consignment of M1 Abrams with Rheinmetall L55 guns.

Well, I do build Arleigh Burkes, in a sense, since I build the Korean variant KDX-III.

As for frigates, some of us operate the F-100 with an Aegis system. So you might want to operate that.

Some of us operate the newer German Puma IFV.

And yeah, I operate K2 Black Panther with L55 Rheinmetall guns.

Master_Baerne · Post by **Master_Baerne** » 2008-09-09 11:53pm

I'd be quire willing to produce frigates. For a price, naturally.

Shinn Langley Soryu · Post by **Shinn Langley Soryu** » 2008-09-10 12:12am

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:
Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:I wonder if non-Canissians are allowed to offer arms to the Katangwa Free State. There's a whole lot of decommissioned and surplus equipment I have that Colonel S'vimbi would be interested in; I could also build some new stuff for him if he wants.

I'll have to wait for Shroom to return before I can make an offer for some F-15 ACTIVEs and F-16XLs, but I can get to work on upgrading my army and navy right now. Who has some decommissioned Spruances or Kidds that need to go? Alternately, who's willing to build me some Arleigh Burkes and additional Sachsens? Who manufactures M2 Bradleys or their equivalents? I know Byzantium operates the K2 Black Panther, but I'd like to keep my options open by seeing if there are any countries that build Leopard 2s or are willing to put together a consignment of M1 Abrams with Rheinmetall L55 guns.
Well, I do build Arleigh Burkes, in a sense, since I build the Korean variant KDX-III.

As for frigates, some of us operate the F-100 with an Aegis system. So you might want to operate that.

Some of us operate the newer German Puma IFV.

And yeah, I operate K2 Black Panther with L55 Rheinmetall guns.

Just out of curiosity, how much does an individual KDX-III cost? Also, I already operate Sachsens; I could consider acquiring some F100s to supplant them, but personally, I don't think it'd make much sense for me from a logistical standpoint.

Another question: What's the unit price of the Puma IFV?

I'm a bit reluctant to take the K2 Black Panthers right off the bat; some quick and dirty Wiki research reveals that they currently have a unit price of about US$8.5 million, though I'm pretty sure that mass production would drive that figure down.

Master_Baerne wrote:I'd be quire willing to produce frigates. For a price, naturally.

What frigate classes do you produce?