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Pastor to endorse from Pulpit as challenge to IRS.

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CHICAGO -- Declaring that clergy have a constitutional right to endorse political candidates from their pulpits, the socially conservative Alliance Defense Fund is recruiting several dozen pastors to do just that on Sept. 28, in defiance of Internal Revenue Service rules.

The effort by the Arizona-based legal consortium is designed to trigger an IRS investigation that ADF lawyers would then challenge in federal court. The ultimate goal is to persuade the U.S. Supreme Court to throw out a 54-year-old ban on political endorsements by tax-exempt houses of worship.

"For so long, there has been this cloud of intimidation over the church," ADF attorney Erik Stanley said. "It is the job of the pastors of America to debate the proper role of church in society. It's not for the government to mandate the role of church in society."

Yet an opposing collection of Christian and Jewish clergy will petition the IRS today to stop the protest before it starts, calling the ADF's "Pulpit Initiative" an assault on the rule of law and the separation of church and state.

Backed by three former top IRS officials, the group also wants the IRS to determine whether the nonprofit ADF is risking its own tax-exempt status by organizing an "inappropriate, unethical and illegal" series of political endorsements.

"As religious leaders, we have grave concerns about the ethical implications of soliciting and organizing churches to violate core principles of our society," the clergy wrote in an advance copy of their claim obtained by The Washington Post.

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The battle over the clergy's privileges, rights and responsibilities in the political world is not new. Politicians of all stripes court the support -- explicit or otherwise -- of religious leaders. Allegations surface every political season of a preacher crossing the line.

What is different is the Alliance Defense Fund's direct challenge to the rules that govern tax-exempt organizations. Rather than wait for the IRS to investigate an alleged violation, the organization intends to create dozens of violations and take the U.S. government to court on First Amendment grounds.

"We're looking for churches that are serious-minded about this, churches that understand both the risks and the benefits," Stanley said, referring to the chance that they could lose their coveted tax-exempt status or could set a precedent.

Stanley said three dozen church leaders from more than 20 states have agreed to deliver a political sermon, naming political names.

"The sermon will be an evaluation of conditions for office in light of scripture and doctrine. They will make a specific recommendation from the pulpit about how the congregation would vote," he said.

"They could oppose a candidate. They could oppose both candidates. They could endorse a candidate. They could focus on a federal, state or local election."

Such endorsements are prohibited by a 1954 amendment to the Internal Revenue Code that says nonprofit, tax-exempt entities may not "participate in, or intervene in . . . any political campaign on behalf of any candidate for public office."

In a Sept. 3 letter to two United Church of Christ pastors in Ohio who are organizing the challenge to the ADF, Stanley appealed to them, "as one Christian brother to another," to abandon their criticism. He asserted a "constitutional right to speak freely from the pulpit" and said IRS rules "stifle religious expression."

Former IRS lawyer Marcus S. Owens, however, opposes the ADF's strategy and its legal reasoning. Working with the Ohio-based clergy, he contends that the Supreme Court would be unlikely to overturn appellate court rulings on the issue or a related precedent of its own.

Owens also criticizes ADF and its lawyers for "actively advising churches and pastors that they should violate the tax law and offering to explain how to do that. The tax system would be shut down if you allowed attorneys to counsel people on how to violate the tax law."

Owens, a former director of the IRS office that regulates tax-exempt organizations, will ask the tax agency to investigate ADF lawyers for "this flagrant disregard of the ethical rules." He is joined by former IRS commissioner Mortimer M. Caplin and Cono R. Namorato, who headed the office of professional responsibility at the IRS until 2006.

The two Ohio pastors, the Rev. Eric Williams and the Rev. Robert F. Molsberry, have called for hundreds of clergy to preach on Sept. 21 about the value of the separation of church and state.

Joe Conn, a spokesman for Americans United for Separation of Church and State, calls "Pulpit Freedom Sunday" a "stunt" that is part of an effort by the religious right to build a church network that will "put their candidates into office. It's part of the overall game plan."

"This is an extraordinarily reckless scheme that they are promoting," Conn said. "The federal tax law is clear. Churches are charitable institutions that exist to do charitable things. That does not include politics. Political groups do politics."

The Alliance Defense Fund is a legal consortium that considers itself the antithesis of the American Civil Liberties Union. It spends more than $20 million a year to underwrite legal battles and train lawyers to push the country in socially conservative directions.

Founded in 1994 by Christian conservatives including James C. Dobson of Focus on the Family and William R. Bright, founder of Campus Crusade for Christ, the ADF has challenged same-sex marriage initiatives, stem cell research and rules that limit the distance protesters must keep from abortion patients. It helped the Boy Scouts ban gay Scout leaders.

Defining its latest mission, the ADF declared that pastors have "too long feared" the loss of tax exemptions.

"We're not encouraging any congregation to violate the law," Stanley said. "What we're encouraging them to do is exercise their constitutional right in the face of an unconstitutional law."
The Alliance Defend Fund, Campus Crusade, Focus on the Family, and similar groups are all notoriously conservative.

Gee. What a surprise. They want their cake and to eat it too.
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I don't mind when my preacher tells me what values our faith holds most dear, but as soon as they mention a candidate's name or a proposition number, I walk out.

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It's such a dishonestly constructed argument too, not that we shouldn't have expected that.
The article wrote: Declaring that clergy have a constitutional right to endorse political candidates from their pulpits
No one is telling the clergy that can't endorse from the pulpit... they're just saying that if they do, they have to play by the same rules (wrt taxes) that everyone else does. But you'll hear them hammering over and over again "First Amendment, First Amendment" until Joe Dumbass starts repeating it.
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I have absolutely no problem with pastors and rabbis endorsing political candidates from the pulpit, so long as their organizations have no problem paying taxes on their income, and withholding income tax from their employees' paychecks.
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Terralthra wrote:I have absolutely no problem with pastors and rabbis endorsing political candidates from the pulpit, so long as their organizations have no problem paying taxes on their income, and withholding income tax from their employees' paychecks.
I completely agree with this. In fact, I think we'd be much better off having churches and religious groups pay income taxes. Fundamentalists could mindlessly endorse the anti-choice candidate of the week from the pulpit to their heart's content, and I'm sure the country could use the added tax revenue. Everyone wins.
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Hit "send" too soon. Just wanted to add that I'll be eagerly awaiting the outcome of this brilliant plan. Blatantly telling the IRS to go fuck themselves should really turn out pretty well.
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Echoing the sentiment, they took the bribe in exchange for shutting the fuck up. Now they don't want to shut the fuck up, so we'll take back the bribe.
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:I don't mind when my preacher tells me what values our faith holds most dear, but as soon as they mention a candidate's name or a proposition number, I walk out.

Anybody asks why, I tell them.
And yet, it happens every week in America with no real penalty, and everyone knows it.
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What is the record of churches actually losing their their tax exempt status due to endorsements? I doubt these are the first ones to do so explicitely (and certainly large numbers do it implicitely) but is the law actually enforced, especially against large churhces?
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How about we circumvent this problem by making churches pay taxes in the first place? Why does religion have such a spectacularly unique role in our society that even the non-charitable parts of religious organizations are apparently so fucking valuable that they shouldn't be taxed?
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Metatwaddle wrote:How about we circumvent this problem by making churches pay taxes in the first place? Why does religion have such a spectacularly unique role in our society that even the non-charitable parts of religious organizations are apparently so fucking valuable that they shouldn't be taxed?
It's not a question of value, it's just harder to justify taxing the money people give to their church than it is from a business making a profit. It's like taxing a the money you're giving to a small local charity--or it used to be. Megachurches and giant evangelical money machines weren't really on the radar back when the laws were being written, and the charlatans only hurt the morons who give them money, so it wasn't a big issue. Repealing their tax exempt status is of dubious tax value overall, since that money still finds it's way back into the system when the employees buy stuff anyway.
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Covenant wrote:Megachurches and giant evangelical money machines weren't really on the radar back when the laws were being written
Eh? What about the Catholic church, one of the largest (and oldest) landowners in the world?
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When the US was founded Catholics were a small minority hugely dominated by competing Protestant sects.
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Broomstick wrote:When the US was founded Catholics were a small minority hugely dominated by competing Protestant sects.
I realize that, but it doesn't support the argument that the tax exemption laws were only the way they were because churches were small -- the Anglican and Catholic churches both existed at the time and are large denominations with international power.

Not that I particularly think that churches should receive special tax protection just because they're religious institutions, but the argument about historical size is silly on the face of it. Even moderately small churches would have been among the larger organizations in any given community when the tax laws were first formulated.

Pragmatically speaking of course, a politician who suggested revoking the tax-exempt status of churches would be dead in the water -- even enforcing the existing laws is difficult-to-impossible because the bulk of Americans don't have a problem with it. Not sure I have a way around that problem.
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Covenant wrote: Repealing their tax exempt status is of dubious tax value overall, since that money still finds it's way back into the system when the employees buy stuff anyway.
This logic is questionable at best, since it effectively gives anyone carte blanche to ignore paying taxes; if you insist on using the standard of "finding its way back into the system anyway" at least.
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Terralthra wrote:I have absolutely no problem with pastors and rabbis endorsing political candidates from the pulpit, so long as their organizations have no problem paying taxes on their income, and withholding income tax from their employees' paychecks.
The tax exemption for religious organizations does NOT include an exemption from income taxes for their employees.
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General Trelane (Retired) wrote:
Terralthra wrote:I have absolutely no problem with pastors and rabbis endorsing political candidates from the pulpit, so long as their organizations have no problem paying taxes on their income, and withholding income tax from their employees' paychecks.
The tax exemption for religious organizations does NOT include an exemption from income taxes for their employees.
Ah, good to know. I had thought ministers and other religious figures had the same exemptions as organizations.
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Terralthra wrote:I have absolutely no problem with pastors and rabbis endorsing political candidates from the pulpit, so long as their organizations have no problem paying taxes on their income, and withholding income tax from their employees' paychecks.
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I feel obligated to remind the world as a whole that Alphonse Capone was only jailed because the IRS got him for income tax evasion. One does not piss off the taxmen.

More relevantly, one could easily nail the churches on the grounds that, while churches are tax-exempt, organizations which engage in political endorsement typically are not, and the government will rule in the fashion that gets it more tax income.
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I bet there's a lot of IRS employees that are groaning at the thought of having to go after these guys. The IRS is already ridiculously underbudgeted and overburdened.
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Uraniun235 wrote:I bet there's a lot of IRS employees that are groaning at the thought of having to go after these guys. The IRS is already ridiculously underbudgeted and overburdened.
Stating publicly that you plan on violating tax laws is a sure fire way to draw the ire if the IRS. They don't hesitate to make examples of these idiots. Police officers are overburdened too, but they don't seem to have any problem pulling me over and writing a ticket.

A few years ago, radio dj "Crazy Cabbie" was on the Howard Stern show and announced that he had stopped paying his taxes. He brought up the "fact" that the IRS has no legal right to collect, that the Constitution guarantees his freedom from being forced to pay, etc. A day or two later, IRS agents paid him a visit. He was brought up on charges, and sentenced to a year or two in jail.
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Superman wrote:Stating publicly that you plan on violating tax laws is a sure fire way to draw the ire if the IRS. They don't hesitate to make examples of these idiots. Police officers are overburdened too, but they don't seem to have any problem pulling me over and writing a ticket.

A few years ago, radio dj "Crazy Cabbie" was on the Howard Stern show and announced that he had stopped paying his taxes. He brought up the "fact" that the IRS has no legal right to collect, that the Constitution guarantees his freedom from being forced to pay, etc. A day or two later, IRS agents paid him a visit. He was brought up on charges, and sentenced to a year or two in jail.
This difference here, which I alluded to in my last post, is that this is a church. So as soon as they start getting IRS attention for this, they'll start screaming bloody murder to their representatives in both the government and the media and there will be an enormous public pressure to get the IRS to back off. Which is exactly what this church wants to happy, because it will set a bullshit precedent. The IRS enforcement division is going to be stuck in a bad spot -- go after these guys and you have the problem I just described, don't go after these guys and you'll have every church in the country doing it.
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I don't know why I wrote "happy" instead of "happen" in that last post... spellchecker doesn't catch that, obviously. :oops:
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We do have every church in the country doing it. They're all telling their congregations how to vote already. Might as well at least try to do something about it.
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Turin wrote: This difference here, which I alluded to in my last post, is that this is a church. So as soon as they start getting IRS attention for this, they'll start screaming bloody murder to their representatives in both the government and the media and there will be an enormous public pressure to get the IRS to back off. Which is exactly what this church wants to happy, because it will set a bullshit precedent. The IRS enforcement division is going to be stuck in a bad spot -- go after these guys and you have the problem I just described, don't go after these guys and you'll have every church in the country doing it.
Since when has the IRS ever cared about public pressure opinion?
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