The defined ratios that make up the base units, that vary as described. Your argument here is essentially "Dogs look nothing like elephants, therefore DNA is not made up of the same 4 amino acids"Illuminatus Primus wrote:The same Sector Groups which are all over the place in size, which the ISB fingers as goals or minimums for Outer Rim sectors? Which are capable of being greatly augmented within the existing force structure? Those well-defined ratios of tonnage?
Seeing as how I haven't fixed the number of Executors at all I'm really not sure what you are getting at here.So if you know the numbers of x, and the mass of x, and the numbers of y, and the mass of y...you know x and y? That's what you just said. The point is that if there were a million ISDs or 25,000 or 100 you could fit them to a curve with a few dozen Executors. The fact is we don't know how many Executors there were, and the evidence used to fix the Executor figure is circumstantial.
Given that the production of the Eclipse and Sovereigns was started during the time frame where they built most Imperials the change in pace should not overly distort it.Similarly, the number of Eclipse-class ships built is arbitrary, as is the number of Sovereigns. That's what they ended up builiding, but we have no idea what the given production run was supposed to be. Furthermore, they were built half by a pocket Empire in the Deep Core. You're crossing figures from the peacetime Empire of ANH or TESB with figures from throughout the Civil Wars of 39-46 rS by the Empire proper, by a renunified Empire, while there was attrition and construction due to war the whole way. The idea that these figures should all line up some arbitrary log curve is absurd to me.
Again, I'm not trying to peg down specific quantities, I am attempting an order of magnitude estimate for certain ranges and the entire fleet. I am aware of the margin of error to this method.Ultimately, Saxton put some ship numbers on a curve because it made a method to the madness. But that hardly proves because the curve can be drawn that necessarily given starships of given tonnage must have been built throughout the history of the Empire along the given quantity.
It's a general trend to provide a rough estimate. In that it is no different then using guns to estimate reactor power, which has been a staple of how w figure things out for years.No, I mean why should the relationship between a circumstantial figure of Exes and Pellaeon's ISD figure be authoritative?
Author comments aren't canon and you know it. If you want to use them to discredit it, then the fact that Saxton is an author and uses something similar proves it.Even though the author said that Eclipse was 17.5 km because it was Palpatine's Eclipse, and the standard production run would be a neat ten miles, or 16 km? Implying that it was not a Palpatine-particular design?
Yeah, that's me, picking and choosing evidence rather then constantly complaining about how little of it we have necessitating these extrapolations. Sure have my character nailed.I can't escape the feeling that you're cherry picking because you want things to line up on a chart, even if that chart is arbitrary and non-authoritative.
Seriously, if there are other data points out there to better define this, provide them. I miss things, I make calculation errors, I just don't know certain things exist. But don't accuse me of distorting the evidence to fit a personal whimsy.
Are you seriously arguing that they own and operate more ships then they can keep supplied? Having a tooth-to-tail ratio that means your logistics train is insufficient to support your operations tends to be a rapidly self correcting problem.Because you say so? What if Imperial doctrine calls for a large number of intermediate ships?
So exactly how big do you contend that their ground forces were then? 400 million seems a little low to me, but I'm interested in what you think they had since you dismiss the logical reasoning showing that some sort of division level transport had to be in existence.So guesswork. The canon obviously implies the Acclamator was largely retired or sent to the breakers, with a minority of serving ships (as space warfare combatants, not as troopships) and some sold into civilian or auxiliary service.
They will build what they need. We know in roughly what ratios they need things from the provided base units in the ISB. Though we don't have those figures to plug in, their existence tells us there should be a general curve relating things. So we plug in what we do know. The curve doesn't constrain a thing since it is defined by the variables.I don't see how because you've charted them, you can say, oh yeah, ships larger than the ISD cannot exist in numbers above x, and ships smaller should be at number y. Political whim and military doctrine is not constrained by a curve of mass versus quantity. They will build whatever they need. And its especially specious considering the time span over which you draw the data points for your chart.
