Question about cannon

TC Pilot · Post by **TC Pilot** » 2008-09-11 03:33pm

Darth Hoth wrote:Not to break up the shouting match between you and Illuminatus, but do you not think that on a galactic scale, "a lot" should not mean "a dozen-ish", but rather some larger number? Say, something on par with the WEG "sector command ship" statement?

Yes. It makes sense for the Imperial Navy to have more than a paltry dozen or so command ships at its disposal. I personally don't believe "command ship" and Executor-class are interchangeable terms, however, though they can (and usually do) function in that role.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2008-09-11 04:24pm

The latest iteration of the Starships of the Galaxy book clarified that "Sector level command" ships

SOTG revised, page 136 wrote: Super Star Destrroyers sometimes served as mobile repair bases, starfighter carriers, or communications ships (Carrying dozens of Holonet transceivers), but most served the stnadard Super Star Destroyer role of sector command ship and mobile headquarters.

Just so we are clear on this, the context of the entry makes it clear that the SSD descriptor is referring to the 19 km starships (it doesn't mention any others), so we know we're talking about ships of the Executor class (or at least of that magnitude/scale)

I suppose one could argue that there were lots of "non-Executor-class" SSDs that might be at or around the 19 km benchmark, but that's largely just semantics.

Also interesting is that it indicates that only "most" served as sector command ships, but that there were a significant number that didn't.

Todeswind · Post by **Todeswind** » 2008-09-11 05:21pm

How many sectors are there? If we interpret most as meaning more than 50% and there is one command ship per sector then there should be roughly double the same number of command ships as there are sectors.

Todeswind · Post by **Todeswind** » 2008-09-11 08:48pm

Ok assuming that there are one million member worlds as well as fifty million colonies in the empire and 50-125 planets per sector (see links below)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Wars_sectors

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sector

Then it stands to reason that there are 480,000-1200000 sectors meaning anywhere between 960,000-2,400,000 super star destroyers in the galaxy. Assuming of course that every sector has one SSD as its command ship and that a majority of SSD's are consigned to the command ship role. Though I would tend to estimate somewhere in the 1.5 million ships range due to having some systems that simply aren't worth the bother of protecting.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2008-09-12 02:07am

Todeswind wrote:How many sectors are there? If we interpret most as meaning more than 50% and there is one command ship per sector then there should be roughly double the same number of command ships as there are sectors.

We don't know the exact number. The method you did below would be more of an upper limit, and it probably (frankly) overestimates the numbers. There is, to my knowledge, no fixed number anymore as to how many planets can be in a sector - the closest was the ISB (IIRC) indicating that a sector might have "hundreds" of planets (Talking about Moffs I recall vaguely.) I also recall that the Remnant had 2000 worlds, not 1000, but even then that's not neccearily a guaranteed average even so.

Edit: Also, we dont know if the "planets" a Moff controls/rules over are "member worlds" or if they include others (protectorates and colonies and whatnot.) the same way that "hundreds of worlds" Senators represented didn't include the secondary worlds (as per the AOT:ICS) and unihnabited territories. by the "million worlds" in the Empire, you could have between 1,000 and 5,000 Sectors.

On the conservative end of the scale, we're told many things indicating "thousands"

- the ISB mentions the Empire having "thousands" of Sector Groups, it also mentions that the Regions in the SW galaxy can range from a few sectors to "thousands". - we know of at least a couple "large" sectors that could be thousands (Core, Outer Rim) and probably a number of otherS (Mid and Inner Rims, for example. I personally estimated that there could be up to seven potential "thousands of sectors" regions, so the number of sectors could get into the tens of thousands range.)

- We know in the Republic Time that there were thousands of Senators and each often represented (as a rough average from the Ep1 VD IIRC)hundreds of worlds (probably member worlds) also - Valorum represented like a thousand, and that was considred significant. Most of this I remember comign from the DK books, notably the visual dictionaries.

- In the ROTS novelization, we're told Palpatine holds a "Super-majority" in the Senate, and that there are 2000 opposing his activities in ROTS We can infer from that at least 4000 (Palpy would need to have at least as many with him as opposing him, and probably more than that.) In political (at least US) terms a supermajority would be 2/3 (so at least 4,000 with Palpy) for at least 6,000. Both numbers are conservative as it assumes there are no "neutrals" (neither for or against Palpy) - that all Senators are either for or against him. Also, its a possibility a "Supermajority" in the REpublic means something else (it could be higher, say 3/4, or 4/5, or 9/10 for all we know)

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2008-09-12 07:10am

Also not all sectors might be considered important enough to have a SSD assigned. For example we have the Elrood Sector that is only patroled by two permenent assigned ISD's. meanwhile many core sectors might be important enough to have 2(or 3) SSD's assigned to them.

Todeswind · Post by **Todeswind** » 2008-09-12 09:09am

Is it just me or does dam near every bit of information that one can find on this subject have about a thousand other bits of information contradicting it.