Durandal wrote:Children with Down's Syndrome have a lot of trouble bonding with their mothers, and they require a lot of extra attention. Palin went back to work 3 days after having her child. Even in America, where we work ourselves to death, typical maternity leaves are 6 weeks. For normal babies. If it was a normal, healthy baby, that'd be different. But this child has Down's Syndrome, and the mother is going to be stuck in the national spotlight during an important period of its life.
No matter how you slice it, it was irresponsible for her to get pregnant at that age when she had an important job.
It all goes back to Republicans' views on children. They only give a shit about them when they're inside the womb. Once they pop out, fuck 'em. Palin's behavior illustrates that marvelously.
I continue to maintain that it was a atrociously poor decision for Palin, knowing her own 17 year-old daughter was also pregnant months ago, to accept the McCain offer of running for VP. Palin is surely going to aid her daughter with her pregnancy, right? Or who knows, maybe she will hand off poor Trig (damn these laughably bad names) to Bristol! And what about the 7 year-old girl who's also at home?
I'm sorry, but the Palins' responsibilities at this time should be concentrated on their children, especially the newborn and the newborn-to-be, who is doubtless going to be in the household. There are 3 young kids in that house who need their parents, not to be handed off to babysitters and live-in help (assuming they exist). And I find it reprehensible that Palin announced her daughter's pregnancy at all. Gee, thanks mom, now the entire world knows my private business.
FSTargetDrone wrote:
And I find it reprehensible that Palin announced her daughter's pregnancy at all. Gee, thanks mom, now the entire world knows my private business.
She didn't really have much of a choice on that particular issue. It was either acknowledge her daughter's pregnancy, or let rumors that her child with downs-syndrome was really Bristol's and Palin was covering it up spread like wildfire.
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General Zod wrote:She didn't really have much of a choice on that particular issue. It was either acknowledge her daughter's pregnancy, or let rumors that her child with downs-syndrome was really Bristol's and Palin was covering it up spread like wildfire.
Or alternatively she could have produced the birth certificate listing Sarah Palin as the mother, or the hospital record of her delivery.
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General Zod wrote:She didn't really have much of a choice on that particular issue. It was either acknowledge her daughter's pregnancy, or let rumors that her child with downs-syndrome was really Bristol's and Palin was covering it up spread like wildfire.
Or alternatively she could have produced the birth certificate listing Sarah Palin as the mother, or the hospital record of her delivery.
I'm not really sure that would've been so effective at shutting them up. Just look at how many idiots that thought Obama's own birth certificate was faked. Besides which, it would have likely come out eventually anyway in the odd chance that McCain winds up getting the White House, and just added more flames to the fire.
"It's you Americans. There's something about nipples you hate. If this were Germany, we'd be romping around naked on the stage here."
General Zod wrote:I'm not really sure that would've been so effective at shutting them up. Just look at how many idiots that thought Obama's own birth certificate was faked.
It's actually very difficult to forge a birth certificate in that fashion; to use Jack Nicholson's case as an example, his grandparents simply didn't get one at all, in order to keep his parentage a secret. The hospital and insurance records themselves would be just about impossible to fake, because health-care records are so meticulous, especially for critical functions like obstetrics, where the risk of malpractice costs are really serious.
Besides which, it would have likely come out eventually anyway in the odd chance that McCain winds up getting the White House, and just added more flames to the fire.
Which is why I think revealing her pregnancy at that stage was a calculation that really had nothing to do with necessity and everything to do with political expediency.
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Pablo Sanchez wrote:
It's actually very difficult to forge a birth certificate in that fashion; to use Jack Nicholson's case as an example, his grandparents simply didn't get one at all, in order to keep his parentage a secret. The hospital and insurance records themselves would be just about impossible to fake, because health-care records are so meticulous, especially for critical functions like obstetrics, where the risk of malpractice costs are really serious.
True, but that's not going to stop conspiracy nutbags from jumping on it like a hobo on a ham sandwich.
Which is why I think revealing her pregnancy at that stage was a calculation that really had nothing to do with necessity and everything to do with political expediency.
I figure it was a little bit of both, but the internet rumors probably tipped her hand.
"It's you Americans. There's something about nipples you hate. If this were Germany, we'd be romping around naked on the stage here."
General Zod wrote:True, but that's not going to stop conspiracy nutbags from jumping on it like a hobo on a ham sandwich.
The issue wasn't that conspiracy nutbags were pushing it, which they do anyway (it's their function) but that it rang true enough that people who were merely on the fringe (as opposed to over the edge) could believe it. The records would have silenced 90% of the hubbub and pretty much banished it from significance entirely.
I figure it was a little bit of both, but the internet rumors probably tipped her hand.
I think that they played into her hand more than anything else, because they gave her an excuse to reveal it at the most expedient time and still look like a victim. As you say, she had to go public sometime. If she had done it apropos of nothing, then she would have looked pretty bad. Since she had people on her about something else and could pretend that was her reason, it went away quietly. I mean, right now people are barely even allowed to point out that it makes her a hypocrite on sex issues.
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SirNitram wrote:I truly down the AP will turn on him. When you hire a guy to write political stories who was being courted by the McCain campaign and looking interested, you get a propaganda arm.
You're probably right. The CNN.com political ticker studiously tiptoes around McCain's lie, perhaps unwilling to acknowledge that it happened. How fucking sad is that?
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SirNitram wrote:I truly down the AP will turn on him. When you hire a guy to write political stories who was being courted by the McCain campaign and looking interested, you get a propaganda arm.
You're probably right. The CNN.com political ticker studiously tiptoes around McCain's lie, perhaps unwilling to acknowledge that it happened. How fucking sad is that?
It's pathetic but entirely anticipated. Where Bush was the Frat boy the Kewl Kidz of the political media loved to hang around, McCain is the jock who acheived so much more than them and they're on him like leeches on a swimmer. If you distill the American Political Media into the concept of high school/college cliques, you realize that it all makes disturbing sense.
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Darth Wong wrote:Say that you like Sarah Palin because she reminds you of your mommy
Heh. My psychiatrist would have a field day with that one... I'm just busting your balls, chewie.
You know, I just looked up Alaska's population and it's listed at slightly over 670,000. Sacramento County, where I live, has a population of about 1,347,799. Put into perspective, the fact that Palin got elected by a state with a population of less than my county doesn't really strike me as being all that impressive. Normally, I wouldn't hold that against someone like her, but when you look at the big picture, she looks like she really does look like she's straight out of the "Beverly Hillbillies," complete with kids named "Bristol" and "Trig."
I live in a city with more people (Fort Worth) than the state of Alaska.
Darth Wong wrote:Say that you like Sarah Palin because she reminds you of your mommy
Heh. My psychiatrist would have a field day with that one... I'm just busting your balls, chewie.
You know, I just looked up Alaska's population and it's listed at slightly over 670,000. Sacramento County, where I live, has a population of about 1,347,799. Put into perspective, the fact that Palin got elected by a state with a population of less than my county doesn't really strike me as being all that impressive. Normally, I wouldn't hold that against someone like her, but when you look at the big picture, she looks like she really does look like she's straight out of the "Beverly Hillbillies," complete with kids named "Bristol" and "Trig."
I live in a city with more people (Fort Worth) than the state of Alaska.
Besides, as Durandal points out, all of her claims about herself reek of resumé inflation. She points out how many years she spent in which offices, not what she actually accomplished while she was there. She substitutes money-grubbing in Washington DC for executive accomplishments in Alaska. She acts as though a record of competence and achievements literally boils down to occupying the office.
The irony is that anyone who has ever worked in a union shop has seen this mentality before, but unions normally skew Democrat.
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"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC
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The video quality is better in that one than in the one I posted. In the clip where Walters is grilling him about what he means by "reform" you can really see him starting to lose it. I also like in the clip on abortion where you can faintly hear the audience booing his response. It's just an ugly appearance for him, he does not come off very well at all. I bet it happened because Walters et al. were pissed about being described as a softball show for McCain to take a breather on. He comes off looking terrible, just terrible. Confused, not able to think on his feet, blatantly lying. I hope those clips make the rounds of other news shows, but it's probably too much to wish for.
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I was wrong when I said Lincoln's God was deistic, but it certainly wasn't an American protestant one. Like anything about Lincoln, its hard to categorize.
Since this is the Palin thread, I may as well post a thought my wife and I had. Having grown up fundamentalist, she knew several ex-Catholic fundies, who are above and beyond anti-Catholic. Your regular run-of-the-mill fundamentalist disagrees with Catholics and thinks they go to hell, but ex-Catholic fundies are more like walking Chick tracts: whore of Babylon, Satan in a Pope costume, etc. Apparently, Palin is an ex-Catholic herself, which means that more likely than not she's an anti-Catholic fundie. I wonder if that will come up in the election.
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Darth Wong wrote:Say that you like Sarah Palin because she reminds you of your mommy
Heh. My psychiatrist would have a field day with that one... I'm just busting your balls, chewie.
You know, I just looked up Alaska's population and it's listed at slightly over 670,000. Sacramento County, where I live, has a population of about 1,347,799. Put into perspective, the fact that Palin got elected by a state with a population of less than my county doesn't really strike me as being all that impressive. Normally, I wouldn't hold that against someone like her, but when you look at the big picture, she looks like she really does look like she's straight out of the "Beverly Hillbillies," complete with kids named "Bristol" and "Trig."
I live in a city with more people (Fort Worth) than the state of Alaska.
Obama's state senate district has a larger population.
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The second part of her interview with Charles Gibson is on ABC right now (I'm in Boston). She really makes me feel ill. I'm beginning to believe she was picked to deliberately turn this election into a circus.
CarsonPalmer wrote:I was wrong when I said Lincoln's God was deistic, but it certainly wasn't an American protestant one. Like anything about Lincoln, its hard to categorize.
Lincoln's faith is tricky to peg down. Historians ascribe this to a lack of personal writings by Lincoln. So we are left with a few letters, apocryphal attributions, and his public speeches. In the last category, EVERYTHING must be taken with a grain of salt because any suspected godlessness was even more of a big deal than it is today. I mean, just look at the controversy surrounding versions of the Gettysburg Address, and realize that it's only a small fraction of the Lincoln religious debate.
That being said, Lincoln almost certainly was a deist, according to all papers that can be gathered.
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And McCain didn't even bother trying to explain away the sex ed ad. What a fucking douche bag.
Clearly, when he got bush whacked by that "black baby" skullduggery back in 2000, he was not really outraged because he was thinking "Damn, why didn't I think of that?"
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing
"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC
"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness
"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.
It's honestly hard to believe that I ever respected the man. I think this is the first real fall from grace that I've witnesses in politics since I've actively followed it. Sure, Hillary was a total cunt to Obama during the primaries, but that "3am" ad is nothing like McCain's "Sex Ed" or "Lipstick" ads.
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I never bought McCain's bullshit, especially not after Garry Wills nailed his nuts to the wall back when the Dungeon Master was running in 2000. McCain had knocked Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell for being bigoted fundie douche nozzles (so far so good). All the while he was fellating James Dobson, another bigoted fundie douche nozzle. The reason he attacked Falwell and Robertson was because they had endorsed Numbnuts. It was all a pose back then just like it is now, no matter much spooge is left in the faces of McCain's fluffers like Tom Brokaw.
For people afraid that Palin will be bringing in votes, I would like to share a little story about what happened yesterday.
While I was visiting my grandparents (my grandpa's a WWII vet and my grandma an amputee so I visit a couple times a week to check on them) we where watching the news. My grandmother is a vehemently Pro-Life Catholic. She has a pro-life bumper sticker. When Sarah Palin came up I said "I can't comment on this women because I think she is things I can't say in front of my grandma." My grandma turned around and with a straight face said "I think she's a bitch."
If Palin can't fool my 82 year old pro-life grandma, I don't think she is really as big of a hope as people think. When the fanfare wears off, the bitch factor is gonna bite her in the ass.
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About time someone pointed out 'Strict Founding Fathers Intepretation' means, among other things, slavery.
Anyway. You remember how Palin had visited Ireland, and Iraq, and Afghanistan?
You remember how it turned out that visit to Ireland was a stopover in Shannon Airport to buy duty-free stuff while the plane refueled, thus not really counting?
WASILLA, Alaska -- Aides to Gov. Sarah Palin are scrambling to explain details of her only trip outside North America -- which, according to a new report, did not include Iraq, as the McCain-Palin campaign had initially claimed.
Palin made an official visit to see Alaskan troops in Kuwait in July of 2007. There, she made a stop at a border crossing with Iraq, but did not actually visit the country, according to a new report in the Boston Globe.
Earlier, McCain aides had said that Palin visited Iraq, and expressed indignation at questions about her slim foreign travel.
The campaign also said she had been to Ireland; that turned out to have been a refueling stop.
In her ABC interview, Palin said she had also been to Canada and to Mexico, where her advisers said she went on vacation.
Obama aides described the new revisions to Palin's account as part of a growing pattern of deception. "The McCain campaign said Governor Palin opposed the Bridge to Nowhere, but now we know she supported it. They said she didn't seek earmarks, but now we know she hired a lobbyist to get millions in pork for her town and her state. They said she visited Iraq, but today we learned that she only stopped at the border. Americans are starting to wonder, is there anything the McCain campaign isn't lying about?" Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor asked in a statement e-mailed to reporters.
A short time later, the Obama campaign circulated a new Bloomberg story that questions whether the McCain campaign has been sending out false crowd estimates.
On two occasions since Palin joined the ticket, McCain aides have cited law enforcement sources in claiming enormous crowds -- but law enforcement officials interviewed by Bloomberg denied having given such estimates.
Lies lies and more lies. All from one direction.
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Sheesh. The sad thing is that these lies probably won't hurt her popularity much. People seem to like her because they somehow "relate" to her (like Chewie thinking she is like his mom), so why should facts like these act as red flags to them?
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