SD.Net World Redux Comment Thread II

[K. A. Pital]

Some new issues for SNC conference (and for us all in general, SNC nations):

1) Border nations need a mapping: where is Zagor? What strategic liabilities and advantages does it's Joint Peackeeping Mission pose? Where is Sjenska? Sargonia? Other nations?

2) Status of membership decision: my proposal is that no other mutual defense pacts are possible outside the S.N.C. (though smaller in-pacts are possible for nations within the SNC).

3) What mutual defense pacts exist and whom do they include? I kinda let up on it. I know SNC, FTO (Frequesque nations), MESS and FUN, all. I'll see the orgs thread.

[phongn]

Fuck it, we can even have Tonkin with us - anyone and everyone who doesn't want to get into any of the inevitable messes this world will get into.

Well, if you're proposing some sort of economic/trade partnership, we're certainly open. Shroom2 seems to be pretty ruthlessly capitalistic.

[Shroom Man 777]

Well, if you're proposing some sort of economic/trade partnership, we're certainly open. Shroom2 seems to be pretty ruthlessly capitalistic.

Cool. Let's sell stuff to everyone! Well, Shroomania will still have rules and limits - we're not gonna get ourselves painted on as targets. Shroomania will still be considerably more open to traditional allies like Canissia, Shinra and PeZookia rather than scary nuts like Shepistan.

You can sell the ballistic missiles to both the Shepistanis and the Old Dominionites. I can sell them band aids, stretchers, and the dialysis machines. And consumer electronics. Shroompods, iShrooms and Shroomstation 2 games machines.

[Tonkin can buy the Shroomstation 2 graphics processors for whatever precision equipment you have ]

Of course, I'll be selling arms - but my government will still have boundaries. Shroomania can (and does) build and outfit PeZookian submarines with nuclear batteries, but Shroomania's not gonna sell stealth bombers to Shepistan. We can sell them gay pornography, sports cars, and liquor instead.

First things first, though. We want to be rich and happy and not living in a postnuke wasteland. The more rich and happy people not living in a postnuke wasteland, the better.

Stratellites and F-16XLs for everyone!

[phongn]

Well, a Shroom-Tonkin Economic Community should certainly be in the cards (and presumably with no loss on sovereignty), plus it's nice for for less active players such as yourself and I.

As usual for the IRT, it won't really be an alliance or mutual defense pact, but we can make money

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Good Lord, I will really have to declare the word "Shroom" heretic in Byzantium and proclaim a crusade against Shroomania!

That aside, it's not like Icarus electronics is incapable of producing electronics equal if not better than Shroomania. We are the Samsung equivalent of the STGOD world.

Time to roll out the technology showcase.

[Shroom Man 777]

You will need Shroomanian expertise when constructing cybernetic organisms needed to battle against the hordes of vampires and undead. Stas knows it, I know it... and you know it.



But really, I'm going to be de-activating. Phongn and I will just be selling shit and avoiding war and making money, and... that's it.

[MKSheppard]

Hey shroom, you never commented on the Shroomanian Death Seals (TM), or on Shroompeace and the Steve Shroomwin.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

You will need Shroomanian expertise when constructing cybernetic organisms needed to battle against the hordes of vampires and undead. Stas knows it, I know it... and you know it.



But really, I'm going to be de-activating. Phongn and I will just be selling shit and avoiding war and making money, and... that's it.

Nah. We will just cart nukes to deal with the threat.

[Shroom Man 777]

@ Shep:

I thought it was pretty funny.

BANZAIII!




@ Fingolfin:

But what if there are vampire sightings in the malls?

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

@ Shep:

I thought it was pretty funny.

BANZAIII!




@ Fingolfin:

But what if there are vampire sightings in the malls?

Dude, I invested heavily in autogrenade launchers (http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... rm#2873984). Mounting them on UCAVs isn't impossible, and I could dish out so much firepower in a second they won't even blink before they get shredded.

Maybe you want to come to me to make a deal as well?

[phongn]

That aside, it's not like Icarus electronics is incapable of producing electronics equal if not better than Shroomania. We are the Samsung equivalent of the STGOD world.

What, no, Tonkin Instruments will crush you all.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

That aside, it's not like Icarus electronics is incapable of producing electronics equal if not better than Shroomania. We are the Samsung equivalent of the STGOD world.

What, no, Tonkin Instruments will crush you all.

Not without a fight it won't.

[Shroom Man 777]

Shroomania is willing to team up with anyone. Hell, we can even work with the Japanistanis and Shepistanis as long as it isn't weapons-related (since that would piss a lot of people off).

Notice how Japanistan provides raw materials for Shroomanian steroids - for a more beautiful society!

We can totally be a major importer of Shepistani goat milk. Or we can import Shep sheep wool, buy them cheap. Then we weave them into expensive clothes and sell them back to Shepistani for OUTRAGEOUS FEES.

Shepistani leader Perverez Shepsharaf can be recognized for his expensive Shroomanian suits and coats and ties.

Heh.

[DarthShady]

Some new issues for SNC conference (and for us all in general, SNC nations):

1) Border nations need a mapping: where is Zagor? What strategic liabilities and advantages does it's Joint Peackeeping Mission pose? Where is Sjenska? Sargonia? Other nations?

There is a blow-up of the Border Regions on the finalized map.

2) Status of membership decision: my proposal is that no other mutual defense pacts are possible outside the S.N.C. (though smaller in-pacts are possible for nations within the SNC).

I agree with this.

[Karmic Knight]

If shit goes insane, with my non-participation, Shroomania might declare itself neutral to survive any future war.

Fuck neo-imperialism or colonialism. We're going to sell shit and get rich from peddling steroids, swiss knives, and chocolates.

Words of a wise man.

Maybe the FUN will be the new League of Unaligned Nations. Basically Shroomania, and whoever doesn't want in on a World War 3, can join together in the cause of neutrality.

Great idea, I'm in.
I'm willing to peacfully leave the FTO, if necessary, to join this idealogical alliance. (Thanks to Indhopal's people's DEATH TO NON FREQUESUANS! ideology.

First things first, though. We want to be rich and happy and not living in a postnuke wasteland. The more rich and happy people not living in a postnuke wasteland, the better.

As Above, words of a wise man.

And remember, buy your grapes/wines/small share of consumer electronics/raspberries and raspberry products/cranberries and cranberry products from the Vineyards.

[Shroom Man 777]

But of course! Our special relationship from long ago won't be forgotten - we can be great business partners.

You don't HAVE to quit the FTO. Shroomania is willing to have a great relationship with FTO member nations with a semi-informal FUN alliance without meddling in internal FTO affairs.

We can sell you guns and MOAR TITAN TRASHERS for whatever projects you want.


Yenchin:

What is wrong? I'm not smuggling weapons into Akori, the place is just a point where weapons are being shipped into other parts of the continent.

Besides, I doubt the Akoris would think more guns is a bad thing. Velarians ARE nervous about the increased neocolonial dickery of foreign nations dicking neocolonialistically in Velaria. They would WELCOME more guns and more bombs and more Panzerfausts to defend themselves with.

Hell, the Akoreans would be BUYING the gunrunner guns to defend themselves with.

[Siege]

Great idea, I'm in.
I'm willing to peacfully leave the FTO, if necessary, to join this idealogical alliance. (Thanks to Indhopal's people's DEATH TO NON FREQUESUANS! ideology.

I think that's exaggerating things a fair bit right there. Admittedly Idhopal seems most militant about this, but it only makes sense to try and keep the Great Powers from messing around in our back yards.

(Also, I have to ask: is the FUN going to come to your aid should someone decide to mount a full-scale invasion of the Vineyards?)

'Sides, I don't see FUN and the FTO as incompatible. Hell, San Dorado has held observer status at the FUN since the start of the game. I don't think membership in one alliance inevitably must preclude membership of another... It's just that there are some that are incompatible, like the FTO and the MESS, or MESS and SNC. That doesn't mean all alliances are incompatible.

[Shroom Man 777]

The FUN is a very flexible alliance, as you've seen last game. If someone invades the Vineyards, you'll have the Flattop ruining their shit and the SAF F-22s beating ass while filling the enemy's radio waves with homoerotic chatter.

[Siege]

The FUN is a very flexible alliance, as you've seen last game. If someone invades the Vineyards, you'll have the Flattop ruining their shit and the SAF F-22s beating ass while filling the enemy's radio waves with homoerotic chatter.

And if that someone is, say, Japanistan? You'd still come running? Despite all that talk about immunity and not wanting WW3 to go down on your turf?

Don't get me wrong, the knowledge the Flattop will come running stat when there's nasty business going down on the continent is rather reassuring, but I have to question how neutral you are when you're not, you know, actually neutral, but just another alliance with the associated military component.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

The FUN is a very flexible alliance, as you've seen last game. If someone invades the Vineyards, you'll have the Flattop ruining their shit and the SAF F-22s beating ass while filling the enemy's radio waves with homoerotic chatter.

Shroom, are you sure you want to burn lots of cash fighting the bushfire of the week?

[Grand Moff Yenchin]

Yenchin:

What is wrong? I'm not smuggling weapons into Akori, the place is just a point where weapons are being shipped into other parts of the continent.

Yeah I know, it's just that since it is an entrance the Akorean president feels embarrassed and worried that the weapons will be traced back and Akori will be blamed. Like you said, rebels also get the weapons as well.

But then...

Besides, I doubt the Akoris would think more guns is a bad thing. Velarians ARE nervous about the increased neocolonial dickery of foreign nations dicking neocolonialistically in Velaria. They would WELCOME more guns and more bombs and more Panzerfausts to defend themselves with.

Hell, the Akoreans would be BUYING the gunrunner guns to defend themselves with.

I was trying to type some dialogue between the Prez and me involving this but couldn't bring up anything. Kind of like the Prez is willing to get the arms since he lacks the formal help, but is afraid that this also opens the ports to more than just weapon dealers. Drug dealers and probably slave dealers will be happy to share the ports as well.

In short, the Prez is still willing to get the guns, but he needs to prevent Akori to become some shithole and give the neighbors an excuse to attack him.

Maybe more will come to this storyline after I wake up tomorrow...today...whatever.

[Karmic Knight]

But of course! Our special relationship from long ago won't be forgotten - we can be great business partners.

You don't HAVE to quit the FTO. Shroomania is willing to have a great relationship with FTO member nations with a semi-informal FUN alliance without meddling in internal FTO affairs.

We can sell you guns and MOAR TITAN TRASHERS for whatever projects you want.

Former Colonial Masters not annexing their former Colony, huzzah!

I don't expect to have to, but I am willing to if Indhopal gets to upset by the action. I would still wish to assist in actions like Operation Stabilizer, and the joint Navy, but the fact is, I think an alliance of neutrality is what the FTO needs/should be part of.

Oh, and your Titan Trasher has caused 4,573,821 different environmental complaints from the citizenry of the Settlement. (Now Run by Kaiser Earles)

I think that's exaggerating things a fair bit right there. Admittedly Idhopal seems most militant about this, but it only makes sense to try and keep the Great Powers from messing around in our back yards.

(Also, I have to ask: is the FUN going to come to your aid should someone decide to mount a full-scale invasion of the Vineyards?)

'Sides, I don't see FUN and the FTO as incompatible. Hell, San Dorado has held observer status at the FUN since the start of the game. I don't think membership in one alliance inevitably must preclude membership of another... It's just that there are some that are incompatible, like the FTO and the MESS, or MESS and SNC. That doesn't mean all alliances are incompatible.

One of the points Indhopal brought up was international alliances, where his position was there should be no FTO representation, he may have just been talking about the militant alliances, but he didn't specify.

If not, I also have the Livens Adminstration, which is very pro-Vineyard-Eutopia Integration, which wouldn't take kindly to the other force holding together Mining Country dealing with an invasion.

Like I had said, it was just 'if necessary' I don't think it would be, but I would side with the neutrality alliance if it came to that.

The FUN is a very flexible alliance, as you've seen last game. If someone invades the Vineyards, you'll have the Flattop ruining their shit and the SAF F-22s beating ass while filling the enemy's radio waves with homoerotic chatter.

FOR CRANBERRIES, WINE, and RASPBERRIES (and the Vinish share of the Platinum Deposits)

Shroom, are you sure you want to burn lots of cash fighting the bushfire of the week?

Remember, I'm the one that doesn't deal with every insane problem that occurs on the F-ing Continent.
(The Vineyards, No Invasion since the 1700s)

[PeZook]

May I suggest we simply redefine the FUN as an economic alliance, rather than a military one?

It would still foster friendly ties between nations, we'd lower tarrifs between borders (BTW, Canissia and PeZookia have signed an open borders agreement...) and there would be no military obligations (though, of course, closer ties would mean a higher chance of intervention)

I agree the FUN cannot stay the same as last game, since realities are different now. I still hope our missile production partnership remains on, though

[Siege]

If the FUN becomes an economic alliance, I'd gladly join as a full member. We're all about free trade and stuff, after all...

[Karmic Knight]

Shroom

Is the Shroomainian Commonwealth still in existence?



Also, an economic alliance would be great, even if the FUN doesn't end up being it, I think there should be a big, powerful international economic bloc.