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Rove, Guiliani, trot out Golden Mean on attack ads.

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Leading Republicans on Sunday faulted both presidential campaigns for the increasingly negative tone of their advertising, suggesting the bitter attacks undermine John McCain and Barack Obama's credibility with voters and could backfire.

"Both campaigns are making a mistake, and that is they are taking whatever their attacks are and going one step too far," said former White House political adviser Karl Rove. "They don't need to attack each other in this way."

"There ought to be an adult who says, 'Do we really need to go that far in this ad? Don't we make our point and won't we get broader acceptance and deny the opposition an
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opportunity to attack us if we don't include that one little last tweak in the ad?'"

In the last week, the McCain campaign has put out an Internet ad accusing Obama of calling Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin a pig when he used the phrase putting "lipstick on a pig" to criticize the GOP ticket as trying to make a bad situation look better. McCain supporters said Obama was slyly alluding to Palin's description of herself as a pit bull in lipstick, but there was nothing in his remarks to support the claim.

The McCain campaign also produced an ad saying Obama favored "comprehensive sex education" for kindergartners; as an Illinois state senator, Obama voted for legislation that would teach age-appropriate sex education to kindergartners, including information on rejecting advances by sexual predators.

In turn, a recent Obama TV ad makes a none-too-subtle dig at McCain's age in saying McCain hasn't changed in the last 26 years. It shows McCain at a hearing in the early 1980s, wearing giant glasses and an out-of-style suit. "He admits he still doesn't know how to use a computer, can't send an e-mail, still doesn't understand the economy, and favors $200 billion in new tax cuts for corporations, but almost nothing for the middle class," the commercial says.

Former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani, who unsuccessfully sought the GOP presidential nomination, said McCain and Obama need to engage more openly in town hall meetings rather than back-and-forth negative advertising.

"I agree that the campaign has gotten too negative on both sides," Giuliani said. "If the two of them are out there answering questions, a lot of these ads are going to get done that way, they're going to be able to confront each other with these things. Senator Obama can explain his views on sex education and just what he was doing with that. Senator McCain can either back off it or agree with it."

Rove said he believed that Obama's "lipstick on a pig" comment was a "deliberate slap at Governor Palin," saying it came too soon after the Alaska governor's pitbull comment not to be. Rove also said while it might be fair to criticize McCain for being a longtime Washington insider, faulting McCain for not using a computer when he can't type due to war injuries is not.

"McCain has gone in some of his ads -- similarly gone one step too far, and sort of attributing to Obama things that are, you know, beyond the 100-percent-truth test," Rove said, without elaborating.

Rove spoke on "Fox News Sunday," while Giuliani appeared on NBC's "Meet the Press."
The coordinated Hissy Fit over Obama DARING to say anything bad will begin soon, to a tune of he's just like everyone else, oh my stars the campaigns are so DIRTY, if only Obama curled up and obeyed McCain when he said do town hall meetings!

And now the GOP pushes it's favorite line. 'Politicians are evil.' Which leads to 'Government is bad'. Which leads to 'Privatize everything'.

Edit: Gah, editted to fix some stuff. Sorry folks.
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This whining is especially rich coming from Karl fucking Rove and Ghouliani who had no compunctions about wanking all over the dead of 9/11 at every fucking turn and vilifying Obama with character assassination during the Republican convention.

They can go fuck themselves.
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I thought Obama's spokesman had a great take on it:

Mostly the same article, but with this zinger on the end:

"'In case anyone was still wondering whether John McCain is running the sleaziest, most dishonest campaign in history, today Karl Rove — the man who held the previous record — said McCain's ads have gone too far,' said Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor."

Sure it's a Golden Mean Fallacy, but think about it...Karl Rove just said the Republicans have gone too far on national TV. It's priceless.
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And now the GOP pushes it's favorite line. 'Politicians are evil.' Which leads to 'Government is bad'. Which leads to 'Privatize everything'.

Speaking of which...

You know, considering how evil and "bad" politicians are supposed to be, under the GOP's cod-philosophy, you'd think they wouldnt...you know, BE IN FUCKING POLITICS. Seriously what exactly do these people believe, i mean what is supposed to be their politicial ideology? No government? Well ok, but then again why would you get into politics if you believe that? Just saying "small government" doesn't count as a philosophy either because "small government", as far as i can tell, had no objective meaning--by it's most literal definition "small government" would be putting power, i guess, in the hands of as few people as possible. Which last i checked, was a Monarchy. But that's not what they mean obviously (i hope :? ).
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You mean this?
"In case anyone was still wondering whether John McCain is running the sleaziest, most dishonest campaign in history, today Karl Rove — the man who held the previous record — said McCain's ads have gone too far,"
Yeah, let see how they will answer to this. Or they simply ignore it and start with a "fresh" message, like many "debaters" do with Mike.
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McCain can't type due to war injuries? :? I can understand why the guy doesn't know how to use a computer if it's because of a disability (and before someone goes on about features designed for people with disablilities, it might just be that he doesn't want to be confronted with his disability everytime he wants to check his email). Shit, if every disabled person could have a staffer on hand to check their email for them, don't you think they would?
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That said, given the trickle of information about his injuries, whoever helped him to this point is amazing. But yea. Lots of stupid.
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18-Till-I-Die wrote:
And now the GOP pushes it's favorite line. 'Politicians are evil.' Which leads to 'Government is bad'. Which leads to 'Privatize everything'.

Speaking of which...

You know, considering how evil and "bad" politicians are supposed to be, under the GOP's cod-philosophy, you'd think they wouldnt...you know, BE IN FUCKING POLITICS. Seriously what exactly do these people believe, i mean what is supposed to be their politicial ideology? No government? Well ok, but then again why would you get into politics if you believe that? Just saying "small government" doesn't count as a philosophy either because "small government", as far as i can tell, had no objective meaning--by it's most literal definition "small government" would be putting power, i guess, in the hands of as few people as possible. Which last i checked, was a Monarchy. But that's not what they mean obviously (i hope :? ).
Big government, but with limited interference, limited intrusion, and limited restraint on people's lives. That is a good philosophy, not one that the GOP actually follows, but one I'd call valid.
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McCain can't use a computer due to war injuries? What a crock of shit. They have software that allows Steven Fucking Hawking to use a voice synthesizer, and right now his voluntary motion is restricted to squeezing his hand. McCain isn't nearly as physically disabled; he can learn to control a computer with peripherals and software tailored to whatever physical prowess he has. The only barriers to entry here are mental.
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Wyrm wrote:McCain can't use a computer due to war injuries? What a crock of shit.

The Federal Government uses the "Dragon" dictating software quite extensively, specifically because of workplace disability laws.
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