SD.Net World Redux Comment Thread II

[Siege]

So... Is the Emperor of Byzantium going to visit Frequesue or not?

[K. A. Pital]

Getting nuclear weapons ahead of Skimmer and threatening to nuke the hell out of his nation with cheap spammed MRBMs is the only solution.

Of course, next time I won't be even looking at the points system - unless the rules oblige everyone to follow it.

Also, the production run for the last year is executed, and the 2009 production run will be MUCH larger considering the facts that have surfaced.

[Czechmate]

Scud his ass into the stone age if he pulls anything, Stas. As the player of the Soviet Union equivalent, it is your right, nay, your responsibility to do so.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

So... Is the Emperor of Byzantium going to visit Frequesue or not?

Yes, soon after I deal with the SNC meeting, I'll head over.

[DarthShady]

Getting nuclear weapons ahead of Skimmer and threatening to nuke the hell out of his nation with cheap spammed MRBMs is the only solution.

Of course, next time I won't be even looking at the points system - unless the rules oblige everyone to follow it.

Also, the production run for the last year is executed, and the 2009 production run will be MUCH larger considering the facts that have surfaced.

I agree with you completely, nukes for everyone.

As for next time...I'm hiring a professional to make my OOB.

[K. A. Pital]

Skimmer is also a Soviet Union, but a far larger one since he never bothered with the points, instead simply playing with a 350,000 million defense budget.

Appaling, and insulting to all who used the idiotic point system, but constructing around several thousand bombers should be enough to eliminate Japanistan as a threat, especially with nuclear arms several years down the line.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Skimmer is also a Soviet Union, but a far larger one since he never bothered with the points, instead simply playing with a 350,000 million defense budget.

Appaling, and insulting to all who used the idiotic point system, but constructing around several thousand bombers should be enough to eliminate Japanistan as a threat, especially with nuclear arms several years down the line.

ERm... even with the budget to the max I have, there is no way I can even field 1000 bombers, Tu-160 type, without choking.

And it will take a long time to acquire even a thousand. Like 3-4 years, making 20 a month.

[K. A. Pital]

The Joint Defense Plan we have drafted calls for a placement of two S-400 regiments (a regiment is: 6 batteries, 24 launcher machines with 4 tubes each = 96 long-range 400km missiles and 4x96=384 intermediate-range missiles (100-120km)

For each major city, military base, and so on.

Considering the population density, the calculation comes out at 100-200 billion, setting up a joint IADS with S-300/S-400 would cost around 300-400 billion as I see it.

The First Year of Deployment (Year Zero) should be 2009, at which all nations with a productive base should produce ~200-300 S-300/S-400 launcher machines (25 batteries versus the 12 batteries per year the USSR produced)

Within 2 years, we should accelerate production rates to 500 per year for the entire SNC, at which point we would need 5 remaining years to fully stock up the SNC with S-300/S-400 IADS.

In that case, Shep and Skimmer's hordes of bombers are at least partially neutered.

P.S. As for bombers, my serial production runs at 65 Tu-160Ms and around a 100 Tu-22M5s per year (with the M3s beefed up to M5s), but if both me and you produce around 165 per year each, that would mean 300 are produced per year. In 3 years, we will have our first 1000-bomber esquadrillia.

Fighter production must keep up of course. Japanistan fields over 1000 fighters. We field several hundred each. This is unacceptable.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

The Joint Defense Plan we have drafted calls for a placement of two S-400 regiments (a regiment is: 6 batteries, 24 launcher machines with 4 tubes each = 96 long-range 400km missiles and 4x96=384 intermediate-range missiles (100-120km)

For each major city, military base, and so on.

Considering the population density, the calculation comes out at 100-200 billion, setting up a joint IADS with S-300/S-400 would cost around 300-400 billion as I see it.

The First Year of Deployment (Year Zero) should be 2009, at which all nations with a productive base should produce ~200-300 S-300/S-400 launcher machines (25 batteries versus the 12 batteries per year the USSR produced)

Within 2 years, we should accelerate production rates to 500 per year for the entire SNC, at which point we would need 5 remaining years to fully stock up the SNC with S-300/S-400 IADS.

In that case, Shep and Skimmer's hordes of bombers are at least partially neutered.

I think my production rate is at least in the tens a year because I have lots of needs to defeat bomber/fighter attacks. So if you want me to up the production, alright.

P.S. As for bombers, my serial production runs at 65 Tu-160Ms and around a 100 Tu-22M5s per year (with the M3s beefed up to M5s), but if both me and you produce around 165 per year each, that would mean 300 are produced per year. In 3 years, we will have our first 1000-bomber esquadrillia.

Fighter production must keep up of course. Japanistan fields over 1000 fighters. We field several hundred each. This is unacceptable.

Ok, I shall have to burn a bigger hole in the budget than before then.

As for fighters, I guess what I could do is restart the production line for Typhoon Tranche III and double the production rate for my F-22s.

[Shroom Man 777]

You people are insane! Talk about Runaway Defense Budgets - holy shit!

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

You people are insane! Talk about Runaway Defense Budgets - holy shit!

Have you taken a look at Skimmer's OOB?

[Siege]

Have you taken a look at Skimmer's OOB?

But how's he going to get all those vintage tanks through that big-ass desert up to where they can do damage to anything but the occasional oasis?

[Master_Baerne]

Attention, Byzantine Empire. I'd greatly like to by that carrier you're retiring.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Have you taken a look at Skimmer's OOB?

But how's he going to get all those vintage tanks through that big-ass desert up to where they can do damage to anything but the occasional oasis?

By... bringing a sizable logistics train?

Not all of Skimmer's tanks are vintage. He didn't even quite state what they are.

Attention, Byzantine Empire. I'd greatly like to by that carrier you're retiring.

How much?

[phongn]

IIRC, Sea Skimmer's forces are mostly bogged down in New Sumatra, but as we can see he's taking steps to finish off that conflict (if he can). I'm not so sure how capable he is of projecting it, though. I also think he said - repeatedly - that he wasn't going to stay with the point system in the old OOC threads, though I understand if Stas was a bit too busy to play very close attention.

As for Shep, I think he actually stayed with the point system. My IRT is as well, though it's vastly undermilitarized for its economy.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

IIRC, Sea Skimmer's forces are mostly bogged down in New Sumatra, but as we can see he's taking steps to finish off that conflict (if he can). I'm not so sure how capable he is of projecting it, though. I also think he said - repeatedly - that he wasn't going to stay with the point system in the old OOC threads, though I understand if Stas was a bit too busy to play very close attention.

As for Shep, I think he actually stayed with the point system. My IRT is as well, though it's vastly undermilitarized for its economy.

Well, most maybe bogged down, but I wouldn't put it past him to just .. gas the whole lot, just so that he can go fry bigger fry.

[Master_Baerne]

Attention, Byzantine Empire. I'd greatly like to by that carrier you're retiring.

How much?

That depends entirely on how much you're willing to accept. Would 2 billion be acceptable?

[Raj Ahten]

A few announcements here.

First, Phongn I am looking to acquire some 26 P-8 Poseidon type aircraft from you if you are selling them.
I am also looking to buy a 26 B-1's from Shroomania and another 2 big AWACS aircraft.

I've also figured that in air operations against various people Indhopal has lost 8 Gripens, 14 Mirage F-1's and 3 Harrier's. A lot of other aircraft are probably not flying due to deferred maintenance. It will take a little while for my air force to get back to normal after so many combat operations. My maintenance situation is also likely to improve now that my people know what high intensity combat requires.

For FTO people: What do you all think of my new Operation Stabilizer plan? My president laid it out a while back but no one commented on it.

We also need to negotiate a peace with Omango and Sabika. I figure I got a division or so lightly occupying their military bases blowing crap up. I'll make a post on it later today. I think we need a neutral party to help negotiate, and I think Cascadia would be perfect, if they are willing to do it.

Finally, does anyone want to control one of the CFR's factions? Having your own militia to stir up trouble would be fun!

[K. A. Pital]

Sea Skimmer's forces are mostly bogged down in New Sumatra

Mostly? He has 2 tank armies in his Central Group, and a mechanized Army in his Eastern Group. His New Sumatra stuff is mostly lightweight units for policing.

MiG 1.44 is almost a 5th gen fighter, and Skimmer easily fields 138 - when most people field, uh, around 30 or less due to the caps imposed by the points system as to not to make "fighter spam". MiG-31 is also spammed - with 300, which is more than half of the MiG-31s real-life production run. His bomber forces field 260 bombers. His IADS system: he has over 2000 S-300 launchers of various modifications - around what the USSR had, but having 6 times less territory.

His Navy is probably the only thing which is weaker than it could have been.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

A few announcements here.

First, Phongn I am looking to acquire some 26 P-8 Poseidon type aircraft from you if you are selling them.
I am also looking to buy a 26 B-1's from Shroomania and another 2 big AWACS aircraft.

What sort of AWACs craft? They are offered under BAM, and 3 radars are available: Phalcon, Boeing WedgeTail and MP-RTIP. There are also stratellites as well.

By the way, I'm prepared to offer Tu-160BM which are modernised as hell, and also with external pylons, just so some of you are actually bitching over the lack of external pylons while compromising the RCS. Plus, you get MACH 5 hypersonic missiles and other high speed missiles as part of the package.

I've also figured that in air operations against various people Indhopal has lost 8 Gripens, 14 Mirage F-1's and 3 Harrier's. A lot of other aircraft are probably not flying due to deferred maintenance. It will take a little while for my air force to get back to normal after so many combat operations. My maintenance situation is also likely to improve now that my people know what high intensity combat requires.

I happen to have F-111Fs offered at fire sale prices.

[Raj Ahten]

For AWACS I'm acquiring something like the E3-B or E3-C, with the airframe being of the type Shroomania manufactures. For thse I've been buying Shroomanian for the entire time, and will likely continue on that path just so there is commonality of equipment (If Shroom Man aproves).

Just how dirt cheap are your F-111's? If the air frames aren't too stressed out Indhopal would probably find some money to buy some. Then I could upgrade them using San Dorado's program.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

For AWACS I'm acquiring something like the E3-B or E3-C, with the airframe being of the type Shroomania manufactures. For thse I've been buying Shroomanian for the entire time, and will likely continue on that path just so there is commonality of equipment (If Shroom Man aproves).

Ah... I think you need to know this: BAM is a Byzantine and Shroomanian company, and Byzantium happens to be the one who is supplying the radars. The aircraft are co-produced in our two countries.

They will be Airbus type aircraft. Go check the marketplace thread.

And B-1s and Airbus aircraft have as much commonality as a turtle and a dog would have.

Just how dirt cheap are your F-111's? If the air frames aren't too stressed out Indhopal would probably find some money to buy some. Then I could upgrade them using San Dorado's program.

Probably as cheap as 8 million a piece. 36 in all. I haven't used them much and mostly on reserve largely.

[DarthShady]

So Stas, Fingolfin how can I help with the S-300/S-400 and bomber production?

And just so you guys know I am already producing MiG-31 for myself.

[Raj Ahten]

For AWACS I'm acquiring something like the E3-B or E3-C, with the airframe being of the type Shroomania manufactures. For thse I've been buying Shroomanian for the entire time, and will likely continue on that path just so there is commonality of equipment (If Shroom Man aproves).

Ah... I think you need to know this: BAM is a Byzantine and Shroomanian company, and Byzantium happens to be the one who is supplying the radars.

They will be Airbus type aircraft. Go check the marketplace thread.

And B-1s and Airbus aircraft have as much commonality as a turtle and a dog would have.

Just how dirt cheap are your F-111's? If the air frames aren't too stressed out Indhopal would probably find some money to buy some. Then I could upgrade them using San Dorado's program.

Probably as cheap as 10 million a piece. 36 in all. I haven't used them much and mostly on reserve largely.

Well, I guess I've been buying from BAM all along then. For the Radars I want the best I can get so the MP-RTIP sytem would be good. As far as commonality between B-1's and Airbuses, yeah they are totally disimiliar. I just happen to buy a lot of my aircraft from Shroomania, with the fromer colonial ties that the government denies and all .

For the F-111 for eight million a pop I'll buy all 36 of them. The R&D budget will have to be scaled back to compensate.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

So Stas, Fingolfin how can I help with the S-300/S-400 and bomber production?

And just so you guys know I am already producing MiG-31 for myself.

Tell you what, you upgrade your MIG-31 production, to produce the Byzantine variant (which has a better and smaller computer, among other things), produce about 96 of these machines for me, while I'll up my bomber and S-300/S-400 production.

Just to let you know, my current air defence division is of the following structure:
All 24 Brigades will be enlarged division size to operate a combination of
- 4 Pantsyr S1 batteries
- 4 Patroit PAC 3 batteries
- 4 THAAD or S-400 batteries
- 4 THEL batteries

I might up the number of batteries to 6 each.

It might be good to harden the whole lot and install some CIWS as a last ditch defence.

Well, I guess I've been buying from BAM all along then. For the Radars I want the best I can get so the MP-RTIP sytem would be good. As far as commonality between B-1's and Airbuses, yeah they are totally disimiliar. I just happen to buy a lot of my aircraft from Shroomania, with the fromer colonial ties that the government denies and all .

For the F-111 for eight million a pop I'll buy all 36 of them. The R&D budget will have to be scaled back to compensate.

Done deal.