SD.Net World Redux Comment Thread II

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2008-09-20 03:12am

Hrm... sure. I'll bring the Minister of Shroomanian Homeland Affairs in Foreign Territories (SHAFT) Melchett McMeistervater.

Meistervater.

Masturbater.

Guys, what ever happened to my deal for a Combined Continental Consortium Partnership?

We can link our work on BAM with your work on Shady and my work with PeZook on subs and cruise missiles and our lasers and robots and FASTA. We'll be RICH!

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-09-20 03:13am

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Hrm... sure. I'll bring the Minister of Shroomanian Homeland Affairs in Foreign Territories (SHAFT) Melchett McMeistervater.

Meistervater.

Masturbater.

Guys, what ever happened to my deal for a Combined Continental Consortium Partnership?

We can link our work on BAM with your work on Shady and my work with PeZook on subs and cruise missiles and our lasers and robots and FASTA. We'll be RICH!

Well, my position is that you have to settle your differences with Comrade Stas for that to work.

Commies don't like capitalist pigs.

Post by **Steve** » 2008-09-20 03:33am

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Ok, here's my proposal. Last I checked, there was to be a conference in Cascadia. My proposal is this: We all go to the conference, Skimmer and Shep included, to go there and flesh out what we intend to do, how we are going to keep our distance from each other, and to propose a mechanism by which before any war starts, all parties are obligated to sit down and talk face to face.

Also, side note: Make Cascadia a neutral territory.

The conference was for Frequesue Neutrality, but Cascadia could host peace talks as well.

And we are a neutral nation, we're not a part of MESS, though I figure we're not as neutral a host as Shep might like given A) we're friends with the Shinra Republic (though not Tian Xia) and B) I believe my own histories, at least what I discussed with others, had Cascadia as a Second War participant who mostly aided in the campaign in Shepistan, just to blow MESS membership off post war because Tian Xia and perhaps Old Dominion refused to let Cascadia get the full extent of her post-war terms.

Post by **Steve** » 2008-09-20 04:37am

Ha, you caught it. Cool.

(Note to everyone else, I was posting because apparently Skimmer C&Ped a response to the wrong thread.)

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-09-20 04:50am

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote: Well, my position is that you have to settle your differences with Comrade Stas for that to work.

Commies don't like capitalist pigs.

Which reminds me...

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2008-09-20 04:59am

Hey! PeZook! You just love conspiracy nutters, don't you?

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2008-09-20 04:59am

Stas Bush wrote:P.S. So what if Japanistan goes batshit and starts a war with the MESS?

What will it do? ICBMs don't exist, and lobbing large amounts of other agents will not do the same amount of destruction as nukes, which don't exist so far. Japanistan doesn't have a bomber force to devastate the MESS homeland, and the more nations he needs to attack, the more spread-out his force will be and the greater are his losses.

I certainly could launch bomber attacks on any point on earth, but I wouldn’t bother, bombing effort would go into destroying aircraft carriers and enemy aircraft and command and control on the ground.

"Biodeath everywhere"? Regardless of actual belligerents in the conflict? In that case we should have never let Skimmer play in the first place, or bio- and chem-kill him first just as soon as the game started, later augmented by nuking him with salted bombs and absolute disregard for his citizens.

I don’t have any bioweapons, they don’t make much sense when you have 500 million people and 50 million rifles to send out to fight, that’s part of the whole designing a proper nation thing I did. Shep however does, and if half the world showed up to invade they’d get used besides gas.

I’m open to solutions, I fucking suggested a settlement the first day, but I’m not going to keep playing if people demand that the war end with Shepistan just wiped out, while no doubt everyone else then claims they took trivial losses doing so. I am not going to waste more creative energy on this if that’s the only damn way people are willing to deal with situations.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2008-09-20 05:02am

Well, they could suffer horrendous losses doing so.

(I'm totally cool with that since I'm not gonna get myself into any wars)

^__________^

HAY PEZOOK! Should our guys be shitting their pants upon the sight of the Shadows going all Joe Itler and doing the same shit that led to the War of the World?

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-09-20 05:02am

Here we go. I am, after all, a marketing specialist, so I may just as well slyly influence opinions about the CSR in Shroomania

HAY PEZOOK! Should our guys be shitting their pants upon the sight of the Shadows going all Joe Itler and doing the same shit that led to the War of the World?

Well, yes. I mean - I personally won't, but my people are going to raise a shitstorm. Shady was pretty heavy-handed with all that, after all

And yes, I do love the conspiracy nutters

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2008-09-20 05:04am

Dude, Shroomanians have no problem with the Crimsons and we've been looking to do business with them for some time. It's those Goddamn Commies that HAET us.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-09-20 05:06am

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Dude, Shroomanians have no problem with the Crimsons and we've been looking to do business with them for some time. It's those Goddamn Commies that HAET us.

Yes, that's why we're going to promote the documentary in the CSR, too.

Then you can have ping-pong tournaments and a bunch of student exchange programs, where well-dressed PR experts will hand the ten-year-olds scripts telling them exactly what to say for the cameras.

Then you will send MOM people into the CSR to train nurses and doctors in Siberia, and televise the fuck out of it. This will continue back-and-forth untill relations improve enough for Stas' people not to scream bloody murder every time he co-operates with Shroomanian corporations over something.

Oh, also: we'll make sure to make another documentary about Shroomanian corporations and how your awesome labor laws protect the workers from abuse, and that your government doesn't take any shit from the HEUGE companies.

And if Michelangelo McMillan complains, entice him with PROFIT

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2008-09-20 05:07am

Oh yeah!

That reminds me...

Czechmate · Post by **Czechmate** » 2008-09-20 05:44am

The last week has been a clusterfuck beyond description.

Setzer · Post by **Setzer** » 2008-09-20 06:22am

Alrighty, as soon as this war dies down, I'll be holding a summit in Sirnoth. Anyone is invited, providing you can refrain from attacking the other guests. I hope I'll see all FUN members there.

Czechmate · Post by **Czechmate** » 2008-09-20 07:10am

So what exactly is going to be happening, then?

Norseman · Post by **Norseman** » 2008-09-20 07:30am

Setzer wrote:Alrighty, as soon as this war dies down, I'll be holding a summit in Sirnoth. Anyone is invited, providing you can refrain from attacking the other guests. I hope I'll see all FUN members there.

I'll be there, serving up Loredani cigars, and letting people listen to quaint Astarian music. As well as of course displaying the popular folk culture of the land.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2008-09-20 08:32am

My main thing on this whole clusterfuck is twofold:

First there's the obvious time issue.

Then there's Coyote's "Risk vs Monopoly" analogy. A lot of us don't have Shep's super-duper knowledge of all these military systems. So of course I'm not going to go into painstaking detail to figure out how to counter one of Shep's super-mega subs.

But then, I'm only a national leader. I shouldn't have to.

That's why we have our military officers, generals and admirals and the like who would know about these things. The problem is, we're getting punished by our (player) lack of knoweldge of all these military systems, apparently under the assumption that our staffs are only as competent as we are? Come on now. In vs debates we assume "competent commanders" so why can't we apply the same standard here?

Look, I'm willing to negate Coyote's "end of the war" post and let things stand. The WIlkonian CVBG got bushwhacked, and hell I'll let the Serenity force get hit too; they've shown a history of being rather impulsive.

But for the rest of us, the reasonable play is to back off a bit, regroup, reasses, and then we go in better prepared. Yeah Shep gave us a bloody nose but then we'll go back and repay him. Simply put he's blown his load, time is on our side, and we know his tricks now.

Without our having to explicitly post every little detail, couldn't we assume we go back in with the logical means of defending against his SSAN attacks? And all that other stuff he's already tossed at us? Do I have to go spend the next two weeks learning every little detail on military tech or can we give our planners the benefit of the doubt and assume some competency here?

DarthShady · Post by **DarthShady** » 2008-09-20 08:57am

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Shadow + Hitler = Shitler

I'll get you for that.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-09-20 08:59am

Jesus, are some people overreacting or what? SD.net world 3.0 polls?

EDIT: Oh...wait...I just read the "Jumping forward post"

Goddammit...

Post by **RogueIce** » 2008-09-20 09:02am

PeZook wrote:Jesus, are some people overreacting or what? SD.net world 3.0 polls?

I'm ignoring that. Like Stas, I put too much work into this one to just chuck it all and start over.

Although if Skimmer's going to go all "unleash the plague" over a land invasion against Shep that's way over the top. He's worried about being isolated? He's the one who blew off the multiple attempts to open relations with him at the start of the game. So that's his fault, not some grand MESS conspiracy.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-09-20 09:13am

Oh...come on. Nobody's even trying particularly hard to "isolate" Skimmer...and he'd sic bioweapons on everybody for that?

Without even an ultimatum or anything? Christ, we supported Japanistani calls for peace!

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2008-09-20 09:20am

I even bought those New Sumatran urine the Japanistanis gathered and refined human hormones out of. For anabolic steroids!

Speaking of which, I must now dispose of those illicit substances!

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-09-20 09:59am

Skimmer suggested a ceasefire, but it seems no one, except yet other nonbelligerent nations (CSR, Pezookia, Shroomania) was interested.

Perhaps Shep and the MESS should really stop fighting - yeah, Shep's airforce and Navy got whacked, but ground invasion? Such a thing should really be stopped in early stages or abandoned if the Shepistanis resist with all last-ditch effort and up to death, kinda like Japanese in WWII.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2008-09-20 10:04am

Time for the MESShattan Project to bear fruition.

HAY STAS! What do you think of my attempts to better relations between Shroomania and the CSR? Would Ivan Danko do it for you guys?

Norseman · Post by **Norseman** » 2008-09-20 10:09am

Hey I'd attend the conference, and I'm hardly trying to isolate Japanistan. Of course I'm so isolated myself that it might not matter. Then there's the fact that I'm... ah... anticipating certain events.