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Bomb Destroys Marriot Hotel in Islamabad

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ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - A huge suicide truck bomb devastated the heavily guarded Marriott Hotel in Pakistan's capital Saturday, killing at least 40 people and engulfing the building in flames in a sickening reminder of the threat in a country vital to the U.S.-led war on terror.

The White House condemned the attack, calling it a "reminder of the threat we all face."

"The United States strongly condemns the terrorist attack that took place in Islamabad, Pakistan," said White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe. "The United States will stand with Pakistan's democratically elected government as they confront this challenge."

The five-floor Marriott has been a favorite place for foreigners as well as Pakistani politicians and business people to stay and socialize in Islamabad despite repeated militant attacks. It served as the de facto back office for the international media during the 2001 war against the Taliban in neighboring Afghanistan.

Officials said at least 250 people were injured, NBC News reported. Two hospitals said 10 foreigners were among those in their treatment, including one each from Germany, Saudi Arabia, Morocco and Afghanistan.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the blast. But Pakistan has faced a wave of militant violence in recent weeks following army-led offensives against insurgents in its border regions. The method carried out in the blast also "bears all the hallmarks of an attack by al-Qaida," one senior terrorism official told NBC News.

The capital has not been spared from recent clashes, though Saturday's blast appeared to be one of the largest ever terrorist attacks in the country.

Senior police official Asghar Raza Gardaizi said the blast, which reverberated throughout Islamabad, was caused by more than a ton of explosives.

The blast left a vast crater, some 30 feet deep in front of the main building, where flames poured from the windows and rescuers ferried a stream of bloodied bodies from the gutted building. More were feared trapped inside the hotel as crews tried to extinguish flames from the blast, NBC News' Fakhar Rehman reported.

Witnesses and officials said a large truck had rammed the high metal gate of the hotel at about 8 p.m., when the restaurants would have been packed with dinners, including Muslims breaking the Ramadan fast.

Senior police official Asghar Raza Gardaizi said rescuers had counted at least 40 bodies at the scene and he feared that there "dozens more dead inside."

Associated Press reporters saw at least nine bodies scattered at the scene. Scores of people, including foreigners, were running out — some of them stained with blood.

Witnesses spoke of a smaller blast followed by a much larger one.

A U.S. State Department official led three colleagues through the rubble from the charred building, one of them bleeding heavily from a wound on the side of his head.

One of the four, who identified himself only as Tony, said they had begun moving toward the rear of the Chinese restaurant after the first blast when the second one threw them against the back wall.

"Then we saw a big truck coming to the gates," he said. "After that it was just smoke and darkness."

U.S. Embassy spokesman Lou Fintor said officials were trying to account for embassy staff and any other Americans affected. He said he had no other details.

Ambulances rushed to the area, picking their way through the charred carcasses of vehicles that had been in the street outside. Windows in buildings hundreds of meters away were shattered.

Mohammad Sultan, a hotel employee, said he was in the lobby when something exploded, he fell down and everything temporarily went dark.

"I didn't understand what it was, but it was like the world is finished," he said.

A senior U.S. counter terrorism official told NBC News that while it is "too early" to say who is responsible for the attack in Islamabad, "the attack bears all the hallmarks of an attack by al- Qaida or al-Qaida associates" like the Taliban.

"Al-Qaida has to be at the top of the list," said the official, noting the sophistication of the attack and the large volume of explosives used in it. "There are no claims we are aware of it," he added, but suggested it would not be long before there will be one.

Pakistan has faced a wave of militant violence in recent weeks following army-led offensives against insurgents in its border regions.

In July, a suicide bombing killed at least 18 people, most of them security forces, and wounded dozens in Islamabad as supporters of the Red Mosque gathered nearby to mark the anniversary of the military siege on the militant stronghold.

In June, a suicide car bomber killed at least six people near the Danish Embassy in Islamabad. A statement attributed to al-Qaida took responsibility for that blast, believed to have targeted Denmark over the publication of cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad.

In mid-March, a bomb explosion at an Italian restaurant killed a Turkish woman in the capital, and wounded 12 others, including four FBI officials.

NBC News, Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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Seriously..those idiots are happy to ensure that their own country suffers...
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ray245 wrote:Seriously..those idiots are happy to ensure that their own country suffers...
Yes, they are. But that's because they don't see it as "suffering". For them living somewhere inbetween the pre-industrial and the stone age is where they want to be, it's their preferred way of life. And fuck you if you can't see why it's so great living in a cave, praying a quazillion times a day, after a good beating of your wife.
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Unlike typical insurgents, these morons somehow think that pissing off their support base is a one way ticket to Paradise.

However, that doesn't mean we should just wait for an Awakening to come along and beat the crap out of the Taliban, since Pakistan is a nuclear state, for starters.
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Atlan wrote:
ray245 wrote:Seriously..those idiots are happy to ensure that their own country suffers...
Yes, they are. But that's because they don't see it as "suffering". For them living somewhere inbetween the pre-industrial and the stone age is where they want to be, it's their preferred way of life. And fuck you if you can't see why it's so great living in a cave, praying a quazillion times a day, after a good beating of your wife.
On the other hand...they seems to enjoy certain modern day stuff...live cars and etc...used to bomb people of course.
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ray245 wrote:
Atlan wrote:
ray245 wrote:Seriously..those idiots are happy to ensure that their own country suffers...
Yes, they are. But that's because they don't see it as "suffering". For them living somewhere inbetween the pre-industrial and the stone age is where they want to be, it's their preferred way of life. And fuck you if you can't see why it's so great living in a cave, praying a quazillion times a day, after a good beating of your wife.
On the other hand...they seems to enjoy certain modern day stuff...live cars and etc...used to bomb people of course.
Of course. Using our own technology against us. That, and it's just a means to an end. They know full well that you can't use Dark Ages-era technology to bomb the shit out of people as effectively as you can with C4 and cell phones.
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Atlan Wrote:
Yes, they are. But that's because they don't see it as "suffering". For them living somewhere inbetween the pre-industrial and the stone age is where they want to be, it's their preferred way of life. And fuck you if you can't see why it's so great living in a cave, praying a quazillion times a day, after a good beating of your wife.
Is there a heavy incidence of wife abuse by Muslim males? Other then movies like "Not without my daughter" that really insinuated this was common for Islamic relationships, is this exaggerated a bit? It seems that in some personal experiences I've had with a muslim couples, the female is not always subdued and/or fearful. In fact many of them seemed fairly confident and sometimes outspoken. They have even argued publically with each other in a way quite similar to other cultures here.

However that could very well be the main reason why they're here in Canada...maybe they are a little less typical then more fundamental believers still living in Islamic Republics.
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They probably want their country to change so it´s just logical that they are going to attack targets in their own country. The RAF attacked it´s own country as well. It´s not like this is unusual for terrorist groups.

I also don´t think they want to go back to medieval technology. They just want certain things (mainly things that make people have fun) outlawed.
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Justforfun000 wrote:Is there a heavy incidence of wife abuse by Muslim males? Other then movies like "Not without my daughter" that really insinuated this was common for Islamic relationships, is this exaggerated a bit? It seems that in some personal experiences I've had with a muslim couples, the female is not always subdued and/or fearful. In fact many of them seemed fairly confident and sometimes outspoken. They have even argued publically with each other in a way quite similar to other cultures here.

However that could very well be the main reason why they're here in Canada...maybe they are a little less typical then more fundamental believers still living in Islamic Republics.
If you are referring to the general culture in the Iran/Pakistan/India/Afghanistan/Arab/Kuridish region, the cultures there are in general heavily patriarchal in nature, so yes, beating of the wives is quite common.
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I thought there was some kind of prohibition in Islam that says men must treat their wives well...I'm sure somebody here knows what I'm talking about..
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Justforfun000 wrote:I thought there was some kind of prohibition in Islam that says men must treat their wives well...I'm sure somebody here knows what I'm talking about..
The presence of an idea in the Koran is far from being proof of it's application in practice, and even with respect to the Koran alone, there are substantial passages that are misogynistic in tone. These, even if they did not explicitly dictate or advocate anti-woman behaviors, would tend to encourage a misogynistic world-view.

That said, domestic abuse is rather common throughout the world, regardless of the religious makeup of an area. The relative gentility of modern Western states, where beating your wife and children will often lead to social condemnation and possible criminal charges, is mainly a result of the 19th century rise to dominance of new bourgeois values, which adapted the medieval chivalric tradition of kindness toward women (not to mention contempt for their mental and physical abilities). This is not to say that every household not penetrated by these values will be abusive or that other cultures approve of or even do not care about the issue, rather that in other cultural paradigms domestic violence is viewed differently and often with less automatic sympathy to the victim.
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ray245 wrote:Seriously..those idiots are happy to ensure that their own country suffers...
Pelranius wrote:Unlike typical insurgents, these morons somehow think that pissing off their support base is a one way ticket to Paradise.
No, they almost certainly aren't thinking along the lines you're talking about.

Pakistan is pretty heavily fractured by political and religious fault lines, not uncommon in post-colonial nations. The primarily rural, religious radicals don't see the more modern, western friendly groups as allies or fellow countrymen. One of the reasons they cooperate with these terrorists is that they've got more in common ideologically and ethnically than they do with their nominal fellow citizens. As such, attacks like these don't exactly bother them or the groups nominally allied with them.
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Justforfun000 wrote:I thought there was some kind of prohibition in Islam that says men must treat their wives well...I'm sure somebody here knows what I'm talking about..
As we all know, Religious prohibitations only extend to the extent that one is willing to practice them. I know plenty of Muslims who drink, for example. Very few muslims are actually strictly adherant to everything that is written in the koran, obviously, and many more are hypocrites of a wishy washy "do as I say, not as I do" variety.

A given muslim couple that has immigrated and is fairly well educated is going to be a lot less conservative then those who stayed behind. I personally feel that characterizing a given muslim woman as oppressed just because she wears a headscarf to be an injustice because there are plenty who make that choice while still being assertive and independent.
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