Transformers 2 new Autobot cars

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2008-09-04 02:50pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:Woah, wait, what? You didn't see Starscream pummel Megs at the end? It's clear even from his limited showing along with Megs, that he hated the guy's guts and Starscream was on the sidelines for most of the final fight, ready to take out whoever did most of the dirty work first. The subtle working in of Starscream adding to Megs' downfall was far more interesting than if we got a camp re-enactment of the cartoon endeavours (and Megatron being thick as a bucket of shit whenever it came to trusting Starscream anyway).

I saw some F-22s shoot missiles at Megatron. To this day I don't think anyone has actually determined whether or not Starscream was one of those F-22s. At best, they showed Starscream being surly, which is a fair thing with a giant evil robot.

Honestly, I don't see how the movie failed at all. It was highly entertaining, and it had to have humans in by virtue of, well, being on Earth. Big robots on their own do not carry the story of first contact too well. And if you think cutting out some actors would pay for two straight hours of robot rumpus, you're on crack.

No, but I think it would help, and not just to free up budget, but trim down extraneous scenes. Actors get paid quite a bit. In alot of movies, actors salaries are the majority of the production cost. They could have easily have lifted out Sector 7 and all the miliary/government stuff and the movie wouldn't have missed it (of course, without sufficient military wanking Michael Bay might get bored and wander off).

And you don't honestly see a problem with the fact that completely unimportant characters get more focus and screen time than the title characters? In what universe is bit human characters being more important than the Autobots in a Transformers movie not a failure?

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2008-09-04 05:19pm

I saw some F-22s shoot missiles at Megatron. To this day I don't think anyone has actually determined whether or not Starscream was one of those F-22s. At best, they showed Starscream being surly, which is a fair thing with a giant evil robot.

Considering it was a Micheal Bay movie such sublety is unlikely.

Although considering the fan buzz it generated it just might be possible that he will seize upon it and claim it was his idea from the start all along as he shows edited flashbacks from the first movie in the sequel.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2008-09-04 05:40pm

Sarevok wrote:
Considering it was a Micheal Bay movie such sublety is unlikely.

Although considering the fan buzz it generated it just might be possible that he will seize upon it and claim it was his idea from the start all along as he shows edited flashbacks from the first movie in the sequel.

Bay didn't write it. The writers, quizzed on this, didn't comment. It's a fitting way of seeing things end for Megs no matter how it goes and I really like that action before Starscream bugs out of Earth.

Zablorg · Post by **Zablorg** » 2008-09-04 06:12pm

I hear that Arcee is the motorcycle Captain America uses to skid himself under the robot and blow up its ass.

generator_g1 · Post by **generator_g1** » 2008-09-04 07:00pm

But shouldn't Arcee on Mars at that time, during the Reign of Starscream story arc?

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2008-09-04 07:23pm

Sarevok wrote: Considering it was a Micheal Bay movie such sublety is unlikely.

Although considering the fan buzz it generated it just might be possible that he will seize upon it and claim it was his idea from the start all along as he shows edited flashbacks from the first movie in the sequel.

To be fair it's an option that fits in with Starscream's personality and unless additional fighters showed up or there were some we hadn't seen yet then the number of F-22s matches up to having Starscream among them.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2008-09-04 10:29pm

SylasGaunt wrote:To be fair it's an option that fits in with Starscream's personality and unless additional fighters showed up or there were some we hadn't seen yet then the number of F-22s matches up to having Starscream among them.

It could have been a different group of fighters. After all, Starscream mauled the crap out of the one group of fighters. I doubt the survivors would form up with him to Megatron, but rather would be pressingly after Starstream. I'm sure the Transformer must have finished them off off camera. That's not to say that Starscream didn't let Megatron get his ass shot up by another group, but I don't think he actually attacked Megatron.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2008-09-05 12:23pm

Gil Hamilton wrote: It could have been a different group of fighters. After all, Starscream mauled the crap out of the one group of fighters. I doubt the survivors would form up with him to Megatron, but rather would be pressingly after Starstream. I'm sure the Transformer must have finished them off off camera. That's not to say that Starscream didn't let Megatron get his ass shot up by another group, but I don't think he actually attacked Megatron.

It can go either way. There was no way for them to tell if it was him or not, and he could easily have formed on them and attacked Megs (which, given most missile hits did little, you can see to be the case when one volley actually really hurt him).

I hear Megs will be coming back as a tank form, incidentally. Autobots bring him back to fight a bigger enemy, so to speak. One wonders how Starscream will react to that.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2008-09-05 03:39pm

My bad joke aside I really hope teh people involved with making the sequel take note of the "subtle starscream betrayal" theory. If they have not already intended it from the start that is. It would be quite a brilliant contrast to previous starscream characters. Not even the audience realized he backstabbed Megatron. It's too good a plot idea to throw away and forget.

I hear Megs will be coming back as a tank form, incidentally. Autobots bring him back to fight a bigger enemy, so to speak. One wonders how Starscream will react to that.

Bigger enemy ? As in Unicron ? Because I see little else that could make autobots resurrect their nemesis.

McC · Post by **McC** » 2008-09-05 03:48pm

This is the villain (spoilers...?).

McC · Post by **McC** » 2008-09-05 03:53pm

Fuck. Can someone fix that?

Bug-Eyed Earl · Post by **Bug-Eyed Earl** » 2008-09-23 11:32am

The Corvette is Sideswipe

Ryan Thunder · Post by **Ryan Thunder** » 2008-09-23 12:58pm

McC wrote:This is the villain (spoilers...?).

You sure it isn't the Constructicons or somesuch?

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2008-09-23 05:34pm

Gil Hamilton wrote: It could have been a different group of fighters. After all, Starscream mauled the crap out of the one group of fighters. I doubt the survivors would form up with him to Megatron, but rather would be pressingly after Starstream. I'm sure the Transformer must have finished them off off camera. That's not to say that Starscream didn't let Megatron get his ass shot up by another group, but I don't think he actually attacked Megatron.

Well I did say it depends on their being another group of fighters we hadn't seen yet for the numbers not to add up to 3 F-22s + Starscream.

Lord Relvenous · Post by **Lord Relvenous** » 2008-09-24 02:20am

McC wrote:Set video #1 and behind the scenes ILM doc. Enter code AllSpark62609

Note the pink motorcycle.

Also at 1:55, an underslung minigun. Was that really necessary?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2008-09-24 06:42pm

Megatron? Is that you?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2008-09-24 09:42pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:Megatron? Is that you?

He looks less spikey, and that was my sole complaint. Dear god, that thing looks like it'd shit out a Hummer. Or maybe a Challenger.

Tanasinn · Post by **Tanasinn** » 2008-09-24 10:00pm

It looks like a re-take on a Metal Slug to me.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2008-09-24 10:00pm

That is perhaps the most inappropriate disguise ever. But It is also extremely badass looking, so I'll forgive its concessions to common sense.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-09-25 12:13am

Transformers failed?

In what universe exactly did they fail? It was the most exciting FX explosion-fest of 2007.

Also, rumors of Unicron's minion to be in the movie have risen. That is good. If Unicron will be in Movie 3, that's perfect.

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2008-09-25 01:26am

Ford Prefect wrote:That is perhaps the most inappropriate disguise ever. But It is also extremely badass looking, so I'll forgive its concessions to common sense.

Of course thats the thing... Megatron doesn't CARE about disguises. In the first movie he didn't bother at all with any form of disguise, he was a big ugly scary alien jet thing. As such, I have no qualms about him being a big ugly scary ALIEN Tank thing

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2008-09-25 07:03am

I was under the impression that Transformers had to scan an original version of the object to use it as an altmode, where's Megatron going to find a big alien tank to copy?

If they bring back Megatron he should either use a human altmode or stick with the Cybertronian Jet-thingie.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2008-09-25 07:58am

Crazedwraith wrote:I was under the impression that Transformers had to scan an original version of the object to use it as an altmode, where's Megatron going to find a big alien tank to copy?

It's possible that Megatron could have more than one alt-mode stored in memory.

Of course the real reason is so Hasbro can sell more toys.

DarkSilver · Post by **DarkSilver** » 2008-09-25 08:09am

The Movie Prequel Book "Ghost of Yesterday" had shown Autobots able to store multiple alt-modes in their memory, and "reshape" to assume the new mods at pretty much whim.

That said.....I dislike the exposed head on Megatron's alt-mode.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2008-09-25 10:56am

SirNitram wrote:
He looks less spikey, and that was my sole complaint. Dear god, that thing looks like it'd shit out a Hummer. Or maybe a Challenger.

I'm hoping he'll shit out a Challenger/Hummer baby that shits death. Lots of it. With 'splosions.

It will be nice seeing him wander around again, totally uncaring about appearance. I do wonder how he'll come back though.