SD.Net World Redux Comment Thread II

[K. A. Pital]

Wait, are you saying someone requests my troops in the DMZ?

Sure.

[Master_Baerne]

Hell, we could have the Impact Crater Archipelago declared a "No Advanced Warfighting" zone, limiting Shep and Lonestar to WWII weapons. Much cheaper, but just as effective!

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Phongn, what are the specs for that ADS you are offering.

[Shroom Man 777]

Fingolfin, do you have information on these new weapons systems Byzantium is building?

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Fingolfin, do you have information on these new weapons systems Byzantium is building?

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... &start=900

Scroll near the bottom. I am still trying to figure the high sensitivity towed sonar arrays required, though I gather the Brits have some high sensitivity tower sonar arrays.

Anyone knows the systems available? I know of SURTASS and the Type 23 frigates are getting the newer Sonar 2087, but I'm not sure which is better.

[Shroom Man 777]

Well, I'm sure the Sovereignty is looking to upgrade its current fleet, so I guess we can work together and I can have those fancy toys and stuff... *shrugs*


Planning all these military techno-knick knacks is annoying.

[Norseman]

Zone of Death covers Sirnoth. a supposedly neutral state.

[Shroom Man 777]

Hypersonic cruise missiles? Those don't even exist in real life, Fingolfin - how did you end up with em!?

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Hypersonic cruise missiles? Those don't even exist in real life, Fingolfin - how did you end up with em!?

The Russians had one for a long while... didn't you see Stas' posts? We started deploying the Kh-90 since last game year.

[Steve]

Shroom, isn't Stonehenge a bit.... much for our "realistic" world?

Next thing you'll tell me is that our aircraft can carry 70+ short-range multi-purpose missiles......

[Steve]

Zone of Death covers Sirnoth. a supposedly neutral state.

It is no longer in effect with the armistice, and Shep had remarked that ships' courses would be measured before firing. Aside from a narrow band directly east of Sirnoth, it'd be hard to confuse a ship on course to Sirnoth heading toward Old Dominion.

[Shroom Man 777]

Shroom, isn't Stonehenge a bit.... much for our "realistic" world?

Next thing you'll tell me is that our aircraft can carry 70+ short-range multi-purpose missiles......

It's not really Stonehenge. It's just the equivalent of this and this.


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HOW THE HELL DO THE RUSSIANS GET HYPERSONIC CRUISE MISSILES AND OTHER SUPER COOL GIZMOS?!?!

[Siege]

Shroom, we're interested in those hypersonic missiles you've got... Do they happen to be VLS-compatible and does an anti-shipping variant exist?

[K. A. Pital]

We are thinking about boosting the speed of stuff like P-750 (Meteorit-M) to the true cruise speed of Kh-90. Given they have similar construction, a cruise speed of Mach 4 is not very far away.

Once that is done, these missiles will replace the current P-700 (Granit) and P-1000 (Vulkan) supersonic heavy missiles deployed on ships and submarines of the CSR.

Byzantium and Pezookia are our partners in this as well as in the BrahMos project (IU: Buzzkill).

The Kh-90 is too large and heavy for current ships' missile tubes outfit, which means it's more of a ground or air launched weapon.

That doesn't mean we won't build new missile cruisers with far larger tubes (think tonnage a little over the Slava, nuclear powerplant, and the classic "smile of socialism" zig-zag of missile tubes )

[Shroom Man 777]

HEY! Shroomania is partner with PeZookia in building hypersonic missiles too...

(DON'T EXCLUDE ME!)

Siege: Yes.

[K. A. Pital]

Shroomania is partner with PeZookia in building hypersonic missiles too..

Yeah, but you are competing with us, aren't you In any case, I see you already have customers good PR.

[Shroom Man 777]

Not competing. Collaborating. Come on, we can make more money together than slinging shit at one another! Look at me giving the Vineyards a piece of the pie on that Stratellite deal to feed mass media garbage to Frequesean peoples!

[K. A. Pital]

There's nothing um... bad about competing technical designs Your missile would compete against our missiles... actually the problem is that your missile is probably the only real advanced weapon sincerely offered for sale to any nations willing.

Me and Byzantium aren't so freely selling cruise hypersonic missiles and other advanced weaponry around...

The Buzzkill (BrahMos) is a light missile with a light payload and limited range. But imagine if any shitholistan could come and buy a cruise missile with 1000+ km range, and hypersonic cruise speed, AND a huge, 500 kg to 1000 kg warhead. Uh... bad juju.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

There's nothing um... bad about competing technical designs Your missile would compete against our missiles... actually the problem is that your missile is probably the only real advanced weapon sincerely offered for sale to any nations willing.

Me and Byzantium aren't so freely selling cruise hypersonic missiles and other advanced weaponry around...

Not to mention, we are conscious of the problem being aimed right back at us, unlike Shroomania.

[Steve]

Shroom, isn't Stonehenge a bit.... much for our "realistic" world?

Next thing you'll tell me is that our aircraft can carry 70+ short-range multi-purpose missiles......

It's not really Stonehenge. It's just the equivalent of this and this.


EDIT:

HOW THE HELL DO THE RUSSIANS GET HYPERSONIC CRUISE MISSILES AND OTHER SUPER COOL GIZMOS?!?!

....so is there a Gerald Shroombull who will get assassinated after helping some rogue state somewhere build a Babylon?

I always liked that movie, too.

[K. A. Pital]

Yeah, I just noted that. Selling 100+ km missiles is okay. But 1000+km missiles which are real fast, and hard to intercept and constitute vital strategic assets for any nation?

Nyah...

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

That doesn't mean we won't build new missile cruisers with far larger tubes (think tonnage a little over the Slava, nuclear powerplant, and the classic "smile of socialism" zig-zag of missile tubes )

That can be done, but the diameter of those weapons are more than double the existing P-1000 Vulkans and so forth. I think smaller warheads might be a better idea. It's not as if we can't fit a unitary warhead to them which is more than enough to punch through any known hull.

By the way, Shroom, with reference to the CCCP proposal, not all of us are particularly keen on the spread of our proprietary technologies. We don't want them ending up in the wrong hands.

[Shroom Man 777]

There's nothing um... bad about competing technical designs Your missile would compete against our missiles... actually the problem is that your missile is probably the only real advanced weapon sincerely offered for sale to any nations willing.

The thing is, I don't know jack shit about hypersonic cruise missile specs and it would be better if we were all using similar stuff since you people would know what your systems could do and could therefore tell me what my systems could do, rather than leaving me with no recourse but to make up lies about the stuff I've got since I don't know shit about hypersonic cruise missile specs and it would be better if we were all using similar stuff since you...

Yeah.

Just point me, and my hypersonics, in the right direction (i.e. tell me what hypersonic missiles can and can't do - like, can hypersonic missiles blow up the ocean, etc.) and it'll be cool.

....so is there a Gerald Shroombull who will get assassinated after helping some rogue state somewhere build a Babylon?

I always liked that movie, too.

Yes! He will die with a paper bag full of groceries!

Yeah, I just noted that. Selling 100+ km missiles is okay. But 1000+km missiles which are real fast, and hard to intercept and constitute vital strategic assets for any nation?

Nyah...

Well, our Crimson-Shroomanian collaboration could have a contract stipulating technology limitations to sales to less than reputable nations. Sort of like that real-life treaty limiting cruise missile capabilities.

Not to mention, we are conscious of the problem being aimed right back at us, unlike Shroomania.

That's cause Shroomania plays really nice and is Super Best Friends with everyone and don't go around annexing third world crapholes, in the Old Continent, Frequesue, and elsewhere, and neither does it do covert ops into neighboring nations to blow up rogue submarines that aren't there!

By the way, Shroom, with reference to the CCCP proposal, not all of us are particularly keen on the spread of our proprietary technologies. We don't want them ending up in the wrong hands.

Tell me what can and can't be exported to other people for outrageous fees and I'll stick with it. Seriously, put clauses and agreements in the CCCP and I'll swear on it.

Our (rich and powerful) allies in the Old Continent are more important than some hypercapitalistic mephistophlebitic metropolis in the F-ing continent.

(Sorry Siege. I'll sell you shorter-ranged hypersonic cruise missiles instead!)

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

That's cause Shroomania plays really nice and is Super Best Friends with everyone and don't go around annexing third world crapholes, in the Old Continent, Frequesue, and elsewhere, and neither does it do covert ops into neighboring nations to blow up rogue submarines that aren't there!

Dude, the way Shep is leading this, I would hesitate to say it wouldn't lead to problems.

More so when I'm afraid someone might pull a Coilerburg on us.

Tell me what can and can't be exported to other people for outrageous fees and I'll stick with it. Seriously, put clauses and agreements in the CCCP and I'll swear on it.

Our (rich and powerful) allies in the Old Continent are more important than some hypercapitalistic mephistophlebitic metropolis in the F-ing continent.

(Sorry Siege. I'll sell you shorter-ranged hypersonic cruise missiles instead!)

Maybe we could work something out. But first, your observer status.

[K. A. Pital]

There are four parameters of a hypersonic cruise missile: altitude of cruise, cruise speed at given altitude, range and payload.

Typical altitudes are 7-20 km, highest cruise speeds for such heavy vessels currently attained at altitudes around such are 4-5 Mach, top speeds at Mach 6-7.

Down by the ground, in low flight (1-3 km alt), speeds for heavier supersonic and hypersonic cruise missiles range from Mach 1+ to Mach 3-, general technology bracket (if I'm wrong, correct me).

Payloads range from ~300 kg to ~1000 kg.

Range for a heavy cruise missile should be relevant - over 1000 km. Over 2000 km is good, over 3000 very good, 5000 km is very, very good and somewhere on the border of becoming a mid-range strategic munition.