SGA 5X10 "First Contact" (Spoilers)

[NecronLord]

For the new race, I'd preffer For them to actually be ruthlessly efficient benevolent guys, rather than outright evil, like the Ori. Less a bad version of the Asgard, as a no-nonsense version that split off some time ago (say, ten thousand years ago) in order to be more proactive about sorting problems out, regardless of having to break some eggs to do it.

[JME2]

For the new race, I'd preffer For them to actually be ruthlessly efficient benevolent guys, rather than outright evil, like the Ori. Less a bad version of the Asgard, as a no-nonsense version that split off some time ago (say, ten thousand years ago) in order to be more proactive about sorting problems out, regardless of having to break some eggs to do it.

I agree; something in the vein of Loki's actions/mind-sets would be a more preferable take on this Lost Tribe

[Stargate Nerd]

For the new race, I'd preffer For them to actually be ruthlessly efficient benevolent guys, rather than outright evil, like the Ori. Less a bad version of the Asgard, as a no-nonsense version that split off some time ago (say, ten thousand years ago) in order to be more proactive about sorting problems out, regardless of having to break some eggs to do it.

The question is what have they been doing all this time? Waiting for that damn signal? That wouldn't be a very proactive way of sorting out problems.

[CaptJodan]

For the new race, I'd preffer For them to actually be ruthlessly efficient benevolent guys, rather than outright evil, like the Ori. Less a bad version of the Asgard, as a no-nonsense version that split off some time ago (say, ten thousand years ago) in order to be more proactive about sorting problems out, regardless of having to break some eggs to do it.

Thirded or something. It's hard to argue against having a new enemy that might, you know, not just be out to be evil for evil's sake. It doesn't look promising at this point for that to be the case, but you never know.

[Zac Naloen]

Gustav,


I thought that the ship looked very un-ancienty.

It had rounded edges, something the Ancients seem allergic to.

Puddlejumpers?

Those things are covered in Grooves.

As are the Stargates.

This thing was actually smooth all over as far as picture quality allows me to disern.

[NecronLord]

'War was not my businesss. I watched peace and doorposts. These' he [Janus] said, showing his keys, 'are my weapons.' ~ Ovid, Fasti.

Also, I was pleased to see the return, after a fashion, of Janus. Easily my favourite Ancient, and his doom-machine actually has a believable reason for not being used...

[Zac Naloen]

Blowing Stargates to all hell is not what I was expecting to happen...

I was expecting a slightly more lame star trek style "damages space time" type effect.

[NecronLord]

Blowing Stargates to all hell is not what I was expecting to happen...

I was expecting a slightly more lame star trek style "damages space time" type effect.

Well, yes. But this gives a fairly good reason for the antagonists to be prepared to do it with some moral ambiguity - at the current rate of feeding, the wraith will hunt humans to extinction in a short time, we've been told over and over again that there's not enough humans to support the current wraith population. By using the Aterro device, the antagonists can potentially at least save the humans on planets with stargates in orbit, at the cost of the others.

[Zac Naloen]

That is true, and as a desperation move it makes a certain amount of sense.

Also, once the Wraith are dead they can just start seeding out the galaxy again.

[Braedley]

I have a distinct feeling that Anubis' Stargate Destroying Death Ray (TM) was derived from the work that Janus did. Both seem to work in similar manners, albeit for Janus it was a side effect: dump massive amounts of energy into the gates capacitors, except that Anubis' worked much slower, possibly to incite terror on the target planet that at the end of the day, your gate and the village near it will be destroyed.

As a side note, this might also explain why there is no gate on Janus' lab world. He blew it up after he tried using his device for the first time.

[Luzifer's right hand]

Next episode spoilers
After watching the preview I feel kinda stupid for not noticing the Nordic inspired style of the armour, especially the helmet.

I have always wanted evil Asgard under Odin(I hope he shows up), however I would have preferred some who went a different genemod path with superhuman bodies made for combat.

[Kodiak]

I don't recall, but how easy/difficult is it to install a new stargate? I remember when they moved Atlantis it took a while to get the thing into the "network", but how hard is it to go get an un-used gate and take it for your own?

[Braedley]

Bringing a new gate online at the same location shouldn't be a problem, except that the Atlantis gate was presumably heavily integrated into the Atlantis systems. There's also the issue that gate was installed directly into the floor of control tower.

[Zac Naloen]

Bringing a new gate online at the same location shouldn't be a problem, except that the Atlantis gate was presumably heavily integrated into the Atlantis systems. There's also the issue that gate was installed directly into the floor of control tower.

Should be easy peasy. All the special stuff is in the Atlantis DHD, assuming it survives.

[JME2]

Bringing a new gate online at the same location shouldn't be a problem, except that the Atlantis gate was presumably heavily integrated into the Atlantis systems. There's also the issue that gate was installed directly into the floor of control tower.

I'm also curious as to the extent of the damage to the surrounding systems and the Control Room; hopefully Atlantis' dialing crystal is still intact.

[NecronLord]

I'm also curious as to the extent of the damage to the surrounding systems and the Control Room; hopefully Atlantis' dialing crystal is still intact.

Actually, wouldn't it be more interesting if it wasn't? And Todd somehow kept hold of the Daedalus...

[Luzifer's right hand]

The writers fiat to have Todd take over the Daedalus was again a huge 'rolleyes' moment for me, but I can move past it, though the fact that all the Wraith he beamed in are apparent experts in human technology and ship operations was actually more irritating for me.

The just needed to install another version of their take over human technology virus, they know much more about Tau'ri/Asgard hybrid technology now then when it was done the first time.

[JME2]

I'm also curious as to the extent of the damage to the surrounding systems and the Control Room; hopefully Atlantis' dialing crystal is still intact.

Actually, wouldn't it be more interesting if it wasn't? And Todd somehow kept hold of the Daedalus...

True; it would be an opportunity to return to the semi-cut off status of Season 1.

[TimothyC]

I have to say that I really enjoyed this episode - 5/5.

[Anarchist Bunny]

I'm also curious as to the extent of the damage to the surrounding systems and the Control Room; hopefully Atlantis' dialing crystal is still intact.

Actually, wouldn't it be more interesting if it wasn't? And Todd somehow kept hold of the Daedalus...

True; it would be an opportunity to return to the semi-cut off status of Season 1.

Except that the Apollo is supposedly out there somewhere.

Overall I liked a lot of the things done in this episode. Namely a step away from the No Limits Fallacy the show has issues with. The Riot Energy shield stopped bullets, but was overwhelmed by concentrated fire. Seems silly compared to lower tech Gould Hand Devices, but still.

Few nitpicks. The commando armor. The plates dulled a grinder in a matter of seconds, and the neck joint was resisting a larger grinder. So could the rounds, lets assume they were AP round, penetrate something like that? Or is it more likely the concussive force(I remember there being shotgun casings on the floor after the firefight) is what put him down?

The Atlantis tower gets jacked up again. It must be a bitch to insure that thing. I wonder if its because of situations like this that they put the Stargate at the highest point of the city. Also, wouldn't of made more sense, rather than collapsing the entire city shield around the Stargate, lowering the city shield below the tower(we've seen the shield ability to cover only parts of the city) so that it only has to absorb a fraction of the blast. Sure the tower is lost but the city is saved(but for a budgeted show, having to construct a new gate room would be too costly i know)

Also, did they disassemble all those spiffy railguns they set up in the Siege? At least of them be shielded well enough to shrug off the railgun rounds. Lord knows everything else in the galaxy is.

[NecronLord]

Except that the Apollo is supposedly out there somewhere.

All it takes to deal with that is Todd to shoot it down. Now he has a technologically equal ship, and he's been living in and fighting from space ships all his presumably very long life, rather than being a USAF colonel plunked in a space sihp a few years ago. You could spin that into quite a good episode, I reckon.

[Chris OFarrell]

You know, I think it would be REALLY cool, after Todd takes command of the Daedalus...

The Daedalus heads off to destroy this device, jumping out of hyperspace and bearing down on that odd looking ship...then suddenly all the Asgard shields, weapons, transporters and hyperdrive go offline and we get a huge 'WTF' look from Todd...at which point he and his Wraith crew find themselves all beamed into a large brig somewhere with 'laser beams' for bars...

[NecronLord]

That would be cool...

[Zac Naloen]

What I think would be interesting is if this group of Asgard aren't actually Scientists, but are just Soldiers. That's why they couldn't work out the Ancient technology.

Seems a fallacy that all asgard should be scientists

[Zac Naloen]

*ghetti edit


Or super smart like Thor for that matter.

Makes an interesting idea to me that the asgard alive in the Milky way were all the best of the best, like the Carters and Mckays of their species.