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A KOTOR era question

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A friend of mine and I have been discussing numbers in Star Wars, and recently the topic of Revan's Sith army popped up. We have been curious as to what numbers would be a reasonable estimate to make regarding their ... numbers. Revan's army was a threat to the Republic some 4000 years ago - how vast would his army have to be to manage this?
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Short answer: We don't know. The extent of the Republic's militarization is unknown, but assumed to be far less than during the Clone Wars, let alone the Civil War. That the Mandalorians were ALSO an existential threat to the Republic in recent history would tend to suggest rather unimpressive figures. Outgunning the standing armies of the Republic Authority itself may have been a mean feat, but it's unknown how Revan's Sith Empire would have compared to, say, the combined military might of all the Republic's member states (I'm guessing, not very well). I'm inclined to believe he avoided provoking too many Core Worlds.
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Revan took a third of the Republic fleet with him when he went rogue, and his lightning-quick campaign across the Republic drew huge numbers of supporters to his cause. Once he was eliminated and Malak took over, the Sith army continued to advance, only at a much bloodier and destructive pace, so that both sides were effectively stalemated, with the Republic retaining the Core Worlds, and the Sith dominating further rimward.

According to Wookieepedia, the Sith Interdictor-class warships had crews of 2,800, and we can infer from cutscenes that thousands upon thousands of those were being churned out by the Star Forge, and crew complements for the Centurion-class reached 31,000. So we can at least rest easy that Revan's army exceeds the most minimalist of troop figures for the Clone Wars.

For precise numbers, there's unfortunately nothing out there.
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it should be noted that the Republic had come out of the war against Exar Kun just 40 years pior.

it also seems that Revan took the most powerfull warships with him when he left as it's know that interdictors fought in the Mandalorian wars and none of those seem to be left in the republic fleet during KOTOR and KOTOR2

but as for precise numbers as said sadly there's nothing.
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If a Republic Admiral had to lead a strike force and make do with cruisers which were less capable than those Interdictors, yeah, the Republic is in trouble. Plus, I remember it being mentioned somewhere that the force led by Admiral Dodonna represented a significant fraction of the Republic core defences.

On the other hand, there were those Star Destroyers that appeared in KOTOR II. I'm not sure if there were any left, or all destroyed.
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:If a Republic Admiral had to lead a strike force and make do with cruisers which were less capable than those Interdictors, yeah, the Republic is in trouble. Plus, I remember it being mentioned somewhere that the force led by Admiral Dodonna represented a significant fraction of the Republic core defences.

On the other hand, there were those Star Destroyers that appeared in KOTOR II. I'm not sure if there were any left, or all destroyed.
you mean the Ravager?
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Lord Revan wrote:you mean the Ravager?
Yes. That was a former Republic vessel. Between the Interdictors and Hammerheads, even less is known about that class.
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:
On the other hand, there were those Star Destroyers that appeared in KOTOR II. I'm not sure if there were any left, or all destroyed.
Those were Centurian class battlecruisers, mentioned above. Like they Interdictors they are new and shiny and mostly found in parts of the Republic Fleet that defected with Revan and are then churned out en masse by the Starforge.
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:
Lord Revan wrote:you mean the Ravager?
Yes. That was a former Republic vessel. Between the Interdictors and Hammerheads, even less is known about that class.
as said it was of a type present mostly if not only in Revan's fleet as it was built for the Mandalorian war.

also it seems that not very many of those were built (we see only the Ravager from that class IIRC)
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Hmm, I was afraid that there wouldn't be much upon which to base estimates. However, the amount of craft being produced by the Starforge is interesting; he really must have had a lot of recruits to crew them all.
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Ford Prefect wrote:Hmm, I was afraid that there wouldn't be much upon which to base estimates. However, the amount of craft being produced by the Starforge is interesting; he really must have had a lot of recruits to crew them all.
Yep, although he could partially alleviate those crew requirements with more Starforge produced droids.
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