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How's the bailout working so far?

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Less than a week after the federal government committed $85 billion to bail out AIG, executives of the giant AIG insurance company headed for a week-long retreat at a luxury resort and spa, the St. Regis Resort in Monarch Beach, California, Congressional investigators revealed today.

"Rooms at this resort can cost over $1,000 a night," Congressman Henry Waxman (D-CA) said this morning as his committee continued its investigation of Wall Street and its CEOs.

AIG documents obtained by Waxman's investigators show the company paid more than $440,000 for the retreat, including nearly $200,000 for rooms, $150,000 for meals and $23,000 in spa charges.

"They're getting their pedicures and their manicures and the American people are paying for that," said Cong. Elijah Cummings (D-MD).

"This unbridled greed," said Cong. Mark Souder (R-IN), "it's an insensitivity to how people are spending our dollars."

Appearing before the committee, Martin Sullivan, the AIG CEO until June, said the company was overwhelmed by a "financial global tsunami," and that "no simple or single cause" was to blame.

"I am heartbroken at what has happened," Sullivan said.

Robert Willumstad, the CEO from June to September, 2008, maintained AIG was a victim of a "crisis in confidence" and an "unprecedented global catastrophe." "Through the first week of September we were confident AIG could weather the crisis," Willumstad testified. He said the federal government offered its $85 million bail out on the afternoon it prepared for bankruptcy. Willumstad said the Federal Reserve demanded he resign, and will turn down his AIG retirement package of several million dollars.

But Congressional investigators raised question of "mismanagement" and whether AIG executives sought to "cook the books" and hide negative information from outside auditors.

On Dec. 5, 2007, Waxman said, CEO Sullivan told investors, "We are confident in our marks and the reasonableness of our valuation methods."

Documents obtained by the committee show that one week earlier, auditors Pricewaterhouse Cooper had "raise their concerns with Mr. Sullivan…informing him that PWC believed that AIG could have a material weakness relating to the risk management of these areas."

In March, 2008, the Office of Thrift Supervision wrote AIG, "We are concerned that the corporate oversight of AIG Financial Products…lacks critical elements of independence, transparency, and granularity."

Asked about the letter by the committee, the SEC's former chief accountant, Lynn Turner, said the letter reflects "a serious problem from the top down of management, that can bring an organization down."

Former AIG CEO Sullivan said accounting rules required AIG to mark down the value of its holdings, even though it had no plans to sell them, the "mark to market" provision.

AIG had to sell at "fire sale prices," he told skeptical members of Congress. "Suddenly a company with a trillion dollars in assets" was in trouble, said Sullivan.

Waxman questioned both former CEOs about a former AIG auditor who claimed he had been blocked from reviewing the books of a London-based division that has since been blamed for a large share of the company's downfall.

Former CEO Willumstad, chairman of the AIG board at the time, said "I honestly don't remember" the concerns raised by the former auditor.

"I find that very disturbing," said Congressman Waxman.

Waxman also said there is evidence the two men changed the bonus schedule once the company began to post losses, so that executives under the "Senior Partners Plan" would continue to make multi-million dollar salaries.

"Mr. Sullivan and the other top executives should have had their bonuses slashed due to poor performance," said Waxman.

Sullivan said it was "substantially reduced" by the board in 2007 due to poor performance.

Sullivan was given a $15 million "golden parachute" payment after being replaced as CEO in June.

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Quite possibly.
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Ender wrote:
My hand to God, I honestly think that if I killed them, I could get a jury to let me go.
You'd have to get in line. I'd imagine there would be a large number of other people wanting to get their hands on them.

My God, this is fucking surreal...

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Remember, this is what your tax dollars are paying for thanks to the bailout bills.
I'd say it's time to organize and break out the pitchforks and torches.
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...and the nooses and lampposts.


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I should reprimand you all for "me-too" posts, but frankly I'm at a loss as to what can be said about it, apart from "fuck those guys". I'm curious about their mentality. Did they think that nobody would notice it and get outraged? But I guess being some of the most hated people in America can get stressful.
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Reminds me of a documentary a few years ago about life in a fancy Hotel near the Belgian coast. One they they had insurance company CEO's staying there for a meeting and they behaved like they where fucking Louis XIV. Each CEO had is ow fluck of butlers or even a person to pre-taste the food. It was degoutant
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Collapse is worth risking in order to see these people suffer.
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First ones up against the wall when the revolution comes.

Jesus Christ just think a little, I expect you to be greedy self indulgent bastards, but you know maybe postpone it for a few months when we're not looking at you idiots so close. Though I suppose if these hat fuckers had that much sense we might not be in this mess.
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For them to suffer a lot, there had to be a seismic collapse so bad that even we suffer. Otherwise, unless they were plain stupid, they would have parked a goodly sum somewhere to fall back upon when the going gets tough.
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So...the US Government nationalizes AIG...

And then proceeds to do nothing about the filthy rich fat cats who are now, basically, employed by it? What the hell?
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Throw the fuckers in prison for fraud and put new management in with threats of the same if they waste government money in the same way. I'm of the opinion that any company that gets a bailout should also get restrictions put on how much the CEOs can get in overall profit from it. That includes use of company jets and the like for any non-business purpose. With draconian enforcement, and maybe even "throw to the wolves" if they try and circumvent in creative ways... This kind of shit is what helped get us to this point.


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Frankly, if a corporation has fucked up enough that the gov't has to step in to clean up the mess, the management shouldn't be getting anything at all. Something like not receiving any pay for however long it takes to bring the company back on track, or even fines and confiscations to offset the losses. But of course, these fuckers are the ones paying politicians, so it'll never happen.
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Frankly, if a government nationalizes a failing company, it should do so to impose reforms and put it back on track, not wave a finger and say "Don't do that again, mmmkay? Here's another sixty billion."
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Zed Snardbody wrote:First ones up against the wall when the revolution comes.
Why wait?
I've already decided to vote against my Representative over this, despite always liking most of her stances in the past. My parents have said several times that they didn't like the bailout, but that it "needed to be done"...wonder how they'll react to this?
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I predict a significant absence of criticism of internet-toughguyism in this thread.

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Darth Yoshi wrote:Frankly, if a corporation has fucked up enough that the gov't has to step in to clean up the mess, the management shouldn't be getting anything at all. Something like not receiving any pay for however long it takes to bring the company back on track, or even fines and confiscations to offset the losses. But of course, these fuckers are the ones paying politicians, so it'll never happen.
Ah, but checks like that would have been a "poison pill" for the bailout, remember? Last night had Bill O'Rielly ranting about how the American public should try a class action suit against these guys for taking our money and running. I think that may have been the first time I've ever agreed with him.
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Ender wrote:Ah, but checks like that would have been a "poison pill" for the bailout, remember?
Well, poison IS tidier than some other methods... oh, wait, I think that was a metaphorical phrase.

You'd almost think some of these guys WANT to piss off the "little people". Although what I really think is that they just don't care to the point that anyone outside their little circle is simply not entirely real to them.
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No protests and demonstrations anywhere. People don´t seem to care that much about this whole situation.
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You realize they are boozing + partying it up now because of the election, right?

They probably figure once Barack Oboma is in office, he'll order the clean ups we all want on this shit.

So, instead of waiting and risking that, they are going to party it up now, on others dimes, then probably skip the country on say, November 6
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While I would be naive to think that all of these callous bloodsuckers will get exactly what's coming to them, aren't all the major banks being aired out by the FBI with some managers being dragged into court?
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I don't see what else to do about this thread. Nothing in it but "I hate them!" posts.
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