T:SCC 2x05: "Goodbye to all That"

[Thanas]

I don't know how else they could have really done it, but that part just screamed X-Men 2.

That was actually a reference to Species AFAIK.

[neoolong]

Yeah, with the tongue thing. I mean the whole morphing part of it. But again, there's only so many ways for that to play out so it's not a big deal.

[Jon]

I'm confused somewhat with the timeline. Having brought John forward in time, I assume this is once again an 'unwritten' future being covered. So why are they still trying to mold him as if he is going to become the same man- or why are they trying to preserve events that happened in Reese's timeline which obviously won't now that Connor will be almost a decade younger by that time thanks to coming forward? Will any of the timeline issues be addressed at all? The war starts much later than it originally did, 15 years later after the original judgement day almost? That's 15 years less 'on the job' time for John Connor Original to be molded into the great leader he was when he apparently originally sent Kyle back? Ugh.

[Braedley]

I gave it a 5, simply because this poll lacks half increments (I rounded up). Not as good as last weeks, but still much better than par, IMHO. As for Cameron not doing anything when she showed up at the school, I'm going to chalk that up to showing up just in time to see the termi burn. I doubt that she'd be able to overtake him on the way there, even with vehicular transportation.

[Thanas]

I'm confused somewhat with the timeline. Having brought John forward in time, I assume this is once again an 'unwritten' future being covered. So why are they still trying to mold him as if he is going to become the same man- or why are they trying to preserve events that happened in Reese's timeline which obviously won't now that Connor will be almost a decade younger by that time thanks to coming forward? Will any of the timeline issues be addressed at all? The war starts much later than it originally did, 15 years later after the original judgement day almost? That's 15 years less 'on the job' time for John Connor Original to be molded into the great leader he was when he apparently originally sent Kyle back? Ugh.

Well, Bedell would still be an asset to the resistance no matter the timeline. Also, the fact that Skynet has one less T-888 has to count for something.

[Solauren]

I'm confused somewhat with the timeline. Having brought John forward in time, I assume this is once again an 'unwritten' future being covered. So why are they still trying to mold him as if he is going to become the same man- or why are they trying to preserve events that happened in Reese's timeline which obviously won't now that Connor will be almost a decade younger by that time thanks to coming forward? Will any of the timeline issues be addressed at all? The war starts much later than it originally did, 15 years later after the original judgement day almost? That's 15 years less 'on the job' time for John Connor Original to be molded into the great leader he was when he apparently originally sent Kyle back? Ugh.

And you don't think he'll jump back in time to where they were (more or less) before Judgement day?

If anything, they've given him a few more years to 'grow up' and get his shit together.

[Losonti Tokash]

Seriously, considering the huge fan following Heroes had...wow. Truth to be told, I was very fearful of Heores killing T:SCC by drawing away the core audience...this has not happened. Good.

They don't air at the same time, so why would they be cannibalizing viewers?

[Thanas]

And you don't think he'll jump back in time to where they were (more or less) before Judgement day?

If anything, they've given him a few more years to 'grow up' and get his shit together.

They can't, not having access to a time machine.

Seriously, considering the huge fan following Heroes had...wow. Truth to be told, I was very fearful of Heores killing T:SCC by drawing away the core audience...this has not happened. Good.

They don't air at the same time, so why would they be cannibalizing viewers?

Argh..you're right. I still got it in my mind somehow that the two were programmed against each other like the Heroes premiere was.

[Losonti Tokash]

Argh..you're right. I still got it in my mind somehow that the two were programmed against each other like the Heroes premiere was.

Even then, it was just the prerelease clip show crap. The first half of the actual premiere still aired after Terminator finished.

[Anarchist Bunny]

I'm confused somewhat with the timeline. Having brought John forward in time, I assume this is once again an 'unwritten' future being covered. So why are they still trying to mold him as if he is going to become the same man- or why are they trying to preserve events that happened in Reese's timeline which obviously won't now that Connor will be almost a decade younger by that time thanks to coming forward? Will any of the timeline issues be addressed at all? The war starts much later than it originally did, 15 years later after the original judgement day almost? That's 15 years less 'on the job' time for John Connor Original to be molded into the great leader he was when he apparently originally sent Kyle back? Ugh.

We can tell from the show that the future is somewhat fluid with the past. How else would the mortally wounded Resistance soldier been able to find their house so quickly?

Also, again, people have trouble seperating what the characters know from what we know. They have completely lost track of the Turk. And they lost any chance of finding it when Sarcassian attacked. They are completely with out leads right now, so the only thing they can do is atleast try and stop Skynet's meddlings in time incase they are unable to stop Judgement Day.

[Shroom Man 777]

And a dead guy making finger paintings with blood coming out of his own breasts can be kind of distracting.

Also, as for Cameron not intervening, Derek had a .50 caliber rifle. Cameron had the handgun Sarah gave her and, maybe, a shotgun? Aside from shooting the Terminator, she can punch it, but we've seen how effective that is. Mano a mano, Cameron can delay Terminators indefinitely. Mano a fifty-cal, Derek killed that Triple-8 with a fucking FATALITY.

I really do hope we get more Cameron (plus John) development in the next episodes! Or having Cameron team up with Sarah some more. The two have chemistry! Aside from the whole lesbian sex angle, there's also the whole Robot River thing... Cameron needs a parental figure! She's a totally confused robot.

[Feil]

I give this episode a 5 because I have a soft spot for "given a sufficiently large gun, we can kill it".

[Solauren]

And you don't think he'll jump back in time to where they were (more or less) before Judgement day?

If anything, they've given him a few more years to 'grow up' and get his shit together.

They can't, not having access to a time machine.

Really? Cameron already knew about one, and that's how they got to the 'future' from there perspective.

Who says the resistance doesn't have another one they built as well?

[Thanas]

And you don't think he'll jump back in time to where they were (more or less) before Judgement day?

If anything, they've given him a few more years to 'grow up' and get his shit together.

They can't, not having access to a time machine.

Really? Cameron already knew about one, and that's how they got to the 'future' from there perspective.

Who says the resistance doesn't have another one they built as well?

And the resistance had to sent back one engineer to build one. Given the fact that the resistance is strapped for resources even more than Skynet is, I consider it doubtful that they would sent back another one.

In any way, the onus is on you to provide proof for your argument.

[Sarevok]

I think the T-888 in this episode was a special one.

As we saw the T-888 went down too easily. A mere two shots from a 50 cal should not disable a Terminator. They took a pounding that could destroy a small AFV in the movies. In addition the plank scene which is already becoming infamous indicates he may have actually weighed less than John ! So it seems to me he was likely under armored. Perhaps armor plating was removed or maybe he was not fully finished yet when Skynet sent him. His target was not as well defended or important as Connor so Skynet who was already badly strained to the limits felt something is better than nothing.

[charlemagne]

As we saw the T-888 went down too easily. A mere two shots from a 50 cal should not disable a Terminator. They took a pounding that could destroy a small AFV in the movies. In addition the plank scene which is already becoming infamous indicates he may have actually weighed less than John ! So it seems to me he was likely under armored. Perhaps armor plating was removed or maybe he was not fully finished yet when Skynet sent him. His target was not as well defended or important as Connor so Skynet who was already badly strained to the limits felt something is better than nothing.

A mere two headshots. And for the plank, the Terminator was walking slowly, while John was running.

[Shroom Man 777]

In the movies, NONE of the weapons went above 5.56mm in caliber and NONE of them were anywhere near as lethal or as penetrative as a .50 caliber. I can accept that a .50 caliber armor-piercing round can totally ruin a Triple 8's shit.

I wonder, with their newfound firepower, would Derek Reese and Co. be more proactive in killing Terminators?


BTW, why wasn't there a Sarah Connor Chronicle episode this week?

[charlemagne]

I wonder, with their newfound firepower, would Derek Reese and Co. be more proactive in killing Terminators?

Oh man, I haven't even thought of the possibility of them taking that big ass gun with them when they left. Hehe, would be awesome if they did.

[Crazedwraith]

It wasn't two shots anyway, Derek empties the clip into him when he's on the plank. five or six shots, and he doesn't fall in it. He only went down the first time because he was running.

[Sarevok]

In the movies, NONE of the weapons went above 5.56mm in caliber and NONE of them were anywhere near as lethal or as penetrative as a .50 caliber. I can accept that a .50 caliber armor-piercing round can totally ruin a Triple 8's shit.

The T-800 in first movie did survive a massive fuel tanker explosion. Maybe T-888s are considerably lighter and less durable to begin with ?

I wonder, with their newfound firepower, would Derek Reese and Co. be more proactive in killing Terminators?

It would be pretty neat if they gave Cameron a similar anti armor weapon too the next time they go on the offensive against Terminators. With her aimbot like accuracy she would be a lot more effective dropping Terminators quickly instead of risking a melee.

[NecronLord]

In the movies, NONE of the weapons went above 5.56mm in caliber and NONE of them were anywhere near as lethal or as penetrative as a .50 caliber.

TX's plasma cannon.

I had to say it. (Of course, the TX seemed to expect that it had dealt with the terminator in one shot anyway, so his survival might have been sheer luck).

As a less relevant point of order, I'm pretty sure there's various 9mm weapons. Which, while they might have less power overall, are certainly larger calibre.

[Shroom Man 777]

T-850, mang.


Sarevok:

Burning gasoline does not apply the same directed penetrative force as a large .50 caliber armor piercing round straight through the eyesocket.

The most pressing issue would be the burning tar. How hot does it have to burn to liquefy an endoskeleton?

[Thanas]

T-850, mang.


Sarevok:

Burning gasoline does not apply the same directed penetrative force as a large .50 caliber armor piercing round straight through the eyesocket.

The most pressing issue would be the burning tar. How hot does it have to burn to liquefy an endoskeleton?

They used Thermite to burn the previous Terminator, and Thermite reactions reach about 2500 °C IIRC.

[Anarchist Bunny]

It wasn't two shots anyway, Derek empties the clip into him when he's on the plank. five or six shots, and he doesn't fall in it. He only went down the first time because he was running.

Also remember that the shot that penetrated was fired at the same spot as the first, so it already had be compromised by a high caliber armor piercing and iirc HE round.

[weemadando]

Not to mention that the eye socket area is a total shot-trap and naturally weaker due to the design of the terminator's skull/eye (why carry over a natural weakness like that from humans?).