SD.Net World Redux Comment Thread III

[Steve]

Rewrote Article 3:


Article 3

Item A: The Signatories agree that no nation not native to the Frequesue Continent shall deploy military forces upon the continent except by direct invitation and request of the Frequesue Treaty Organization acting as the collective will of the Frequesuan Nations, and that they shall respect the neutrality of the Continent of Frequesue in the affairs of the world.

Item B: As exception to this Article the Empire of Tian Xia, the lawful and sovereign ruler of the province of Tian Jiao - the former Duchy of Westchester - in Frequesue, is permitted to field military forces within the confines of Tian Jiao's territory.

Item C: Those bases already provided to Signatories by a Frequesuan Nation shall be considered exempt from the restriction, with force level not to exceed the deployment force as of the beginning of the Frequesue Neutrality Conference without the permission of the Frequesue Treaty Organization.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

No, you can't. I consider that ship overarmed as it is. You need squadron command and control facilities, you need fuel for extended cruising (and requirements increase with tonnage, which forces more tonnage and etc), you need more horsepower for the given speed (which is greater than a Burke's, anyway), you need, since it's a cruiser, armour (a basic 4in belt and 3in deck and kevlar over the CIC and engineering spaces as splinter armour, in this case), and the gun armament is extremely heavy on this ship, especially the 8in. Conservatively just the changed weapons fit will increase displacement by 4,000 tons, and then the squadron flag facilities will add even more, and then you need hundreds of tons more fuel to make them truly global cruisers capable of independent operations.. Anyway, I originally estimated the ships to be 16,500 tons. The simple fact is that modern warships are not very tonnage dependent, they are volume dependent, and that ship is designed to have the maximum possible capabilities for its volume. I worked out the internal volume first and then derived the tonnage from that.

You have squadron flag facilities? I thought the existing Ticonderongas already have some degree of coordination facilities, not to mention it already has a 122 cell VLS system and that's 9600tonnes full load.

Yes I understand a warship is volume dependent, but I factored in the volume increase via the tonnage. Since add a meter more or so would have correspondingly increased the ship's tonnage by a 1000 tonnes thereabouts. Now unless you are suggesting because he wanted more fuel than what I imagined so that he has more range than the average cruiser, then yeah, I agree with the tonnage.

Did you use a program to calculate the volume?

Adding a METER would increase the hull by 1,000 tons? I'm sorry, but are you smoking crack? Even right amidships that would not be remotely close to 1,000 tons. Maybe a hundred or so.

And no, I did it by hand--it's not hard, you just need to get the volume for the block corresponding to the dimensions of the hull and then multiply that times the block coefficient, and then do the same for the superstructure.

[MKSheppard]

*ramps up Biological weapons production*

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Adding a METER would increase the hull by 1,000 tons? I'm sorry, but are you smoking crack? Even right amidships that would not be remotely close to 1,000 tons. Maybe a hundred or so.

I was being generous, allowing for additional engine power needed because of that extra 1meter, and also accounting for the extra equipment that will fill up that space. Also, I was allowing for some degree of error, +/- 200 tonnes.

And no, I did it by hand--it's not hard, you just need to get the volume for the block corresponding to the dimensions of the hull and then multiply that times the block coefficient, and then do the same for the superstructure.

Do you have the relevant data figures for the block coefficients etc.?

[K. A. Pital]

Shep, how many Su-34s? I'm selling at $40 million per.

[MKSheppard]

Uh, Ah, 72. I figure I can cut my numbers of Su-17M4s and JF-103s by that much each. We'll call it $3.5 billion total package deal for the planes, spares, etc.

[K. A. Pital]

What kind of missiles to be supplied? Or you just need barebones

Stuff like R-77 and KS-172 is probably still under bans.

P.S. Meet Fidel Trosca and Ernest Cheburashkin, CSR-sponsored and educated revolutionaries who are sent to Misteria to start a commie party and (so far) make it popular within the people, to be ready for the first Elections!

[Shroom Man 777]

So what'd you think about the man-love President Shinra has for King Paul?

It's...surprising

But I hope you understand, I'm married

Oh yeah, I still want you to come visit or something. I really want to do that Kamila thing before I forget forever.

Okay...I will visit Mercury 2, and then we can do a trip to Shinra

Aw, mangs. When can we ever do that Sirnoth thing? My whole innuendo shtick was in preparation for that!

[PeZook]

You will have to top Shinrans throwing a parade in my honor, Shroom

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Hey.. Shroomania isn't the only country with signal intelligence. What.. our current tenuous position hasn't given enough cause to invest heavily in intelligence?

[Shroom Man 777]

Yeah, but... we also bend constitutions and stuff!

Shroomania's more of an 'open field' for SIGINT since, well, Shroomania seems more open than Byzantium - so people tend to be much, much noisier. There's a reason why Karic chose to go to Farbanti to chill out, rather than, say, Constantinople. The Shroomanian Secret Service knows this, and exploits it for all it's worth!

We can let Karics and NODs and whatnot operate in our country so we can actually keep an eye on them and listen in, rather than scare them away or something and lose potential sources of information.


Anyway, I'm just waiting for an excuse to post a picture of that awesome surveillance machine from The Dark Knight. The only thing is that I can't find a goddamn picture of Batman's goddamn bat-sonar!


EDIT:

No, you will not operate special forces in Shroomania without informing Shroomania beforehand and getting approval. I'm sick of you people (Fingolfin) dicking in my backyard. Grey Knights, submarines, and now this?

EDIT 2:

And isn't Karic supposed to be a recurring villain?

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Yeah, but... we also bend constitutions and stuff!

Shroomania's more of an 'open field' for SIGINT since, well, Shroomania seems more open than Byzantium - so people tend to be much, much noisier. There's a reason why Karic chose to go to Farbanti to chill out, rather than, say, Constantinople. The Shroomanian Secret Service knows this, and exploits it for all it's worth!

Dude, we have some of the strictest security checks in the continent. And some of the tightest border controls, with UAVs and all. Seriously, we are tight on security.

We can let Karics and NODs and whatnot operate in our country so we can actually keep an eye on them and listen in, rather than scare them away or something and lose potential sources of information.

Well, you obviously failed to catch anything important, if Karic could launch an attack of that scale.

No, you will not operate special forces in Shroomania without informing Shroomania beforehand and getting approval. I'm sick of you people (Fingolfin) dicking in my backyard. Grey Knights, submarines, and now this?

Oh come on. You say your intelligence service bends your own constitution? Besides, that submarine was ordered not to proceed with the attack and enter your waters without authorization.

And Grey Knights? They weren't even authorized by my government.

And isn't Karic supposed to be a recurring villain?

We could always kill the henchmen.

[Shroom Man 777]

Dude, we have some of the strictest security checks in the continent. And some of the tightest border controls, with UAVs and all. Seriously, we are tight on security.

Which is why shitpieces like Karic don't go to Byzantium, because it's so obviously unsafe for them. They go to Shroomania and get lulled into a false sense of security, and then they fuck up and slip up and then get their ass busted.

Which is exactly what the Shroomanian Secret Service is going to do to Karic.

Well, you obviously failed to catch anything important, if Karic could launch an attack of that scale.

Too bad Karic didn't visit Shroomania to organize his bomb factories and buy anti-material rifles from shitpieces in Farbanti, did he? No, he did all his organizing and scheming in Vulpesia and he actually went to the PeZookian capital to do his groceries. And that's after people thought he died in the Border States.

Oh come on. You say your intelligence service bends your own constitution? Besides, that submarine was ordered not to proceed with the attack and enter your waters without authorization.

And Grey Knights? They weren't even authorized by my government.

I'm just saying, stop dicking around in my back yard. I don't like it.

[DarthShady]

Considering that everybody wants a piece of him...I wouldn't want to be Karic right now.

You guys just wait until the Premier wakes up...

[Shroom Man 777]

Well, I can allow Byzantium and NOD operators into Shroomania.

On the condition that their dickheadedness ruins a Shroomanian operation, so the Byzantines and NODs fuck the SSS over and make Karic's escape possible.


EDIT:

I'm reluctant to do anything right now since PeZook and Shady do have plans. So, yeah.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

I'm just saying, stop dicking around in my back yard. I don't like it.

Alright then.

[K. A. Pital]

Come on, don't lose Karic.

He and Tsar Pyotr could team up and be the Badass Villains!

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Come on, don't lose Karic.

He and Tsar Pyotr could team up and be the Badass Villains!

The Tsar does have a long list of countries he would have liked to attack...

[Siege]

The Tsar does have a long list of countries he would have liked to attack...

"With my funds and your brains, Mr. Karic, we shall be invincible!"

Perhaps Karic can break the tsar out of jail...

[Shroom Man 777]

Sweet Jesus, now THAT is a supervillain team up!

They can be a Legion of Doom!


Screw it, send those Byzantine and NOD special forces guys. Then send the RIS guys. And the SSS guys. And maybe the KGB guys. Then the ensuing mess will be why Karic makes it out (barely) alive.

Then he can get a new face too!


John Travolta!

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

The Tsar does have a long list of countries he would have liked to attack...

"With my funds and your brains, Mr. Karic, we shall be invincible!"

Perhaps Karic can break the tsar out of jail...

Man, this will be pure comedy. *breaks out popcorn*

[Shroom Man 777]

I will accept spontaneous unexplained explosions in Farbanti just to make it possible!

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

I will accept spontaneous unexplained explosions in Farbanti just to make it possible!

Hell.. we need an Osama Bin Ladin is this world.

Now, on to ensuring that there are strict money laundering rules to ensure there aren't any loop holes.

[Steve]

Eh, I was thinking the Tsar was the kind of guy who'd rather shoot Karic than give him the time of day.

Don't get me wrong, Pyotr was a bastard when he wanted to be, nor was he the sharpest tool in the drawer as a bastard, but I was thinking he still had a sense of decorum that precluded working with utter fuckers like Karic (it was my intention, unless Pollux disagrees, that he actually wasn't directly responsible for the very crime he's on trial for: he honestly never would've ordered infecting a dissident with the plague because it violates his sense of honor and it was done by his intelligence people without his knowledge).

[PeZook]

Also, take note: Karic and his men aren't comically incompetent Misterian commandoes who somehow manage not to kill any AIP officers despite preparing for an assault for weeks.

Karic has some trained killers with him, and while he may not be the smartest person (or the best leader) on Earth, he's ruthless and has nothing to lose.

Try googling "Magdalenka Incident" if you want to see how even completely outnumbered trained opponents are fucking dangerous, even for SWAT officers.