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At this, rate, you might as well split the US up, and let the republican or red necks states become a 3rd world nation.
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Darth Yoshi wrote:Gods, that's like screeching "kill the JOOS!" And to think that these are the people who could be running the country.
mr friendly guy wrote:How about if Obama becomes president its the will of the American people. Throw in lines like "well its freedom baby", and "if you don't like it you can move to another country". Examples to suggest are countries which ignore the results of election. How about Zimbabwe.

If he is as intelligent as you say he is, one would hope he understands satire and gets the parody of lines used by right wing tards.
That's a very good point. The Republidrones are usually the ones to tell people to move elsewhere rather than try to fix things. It'll be absolutely delicious to throw that back in their faces.
This brand of stupidity has spread over here as well. This type of argument seems to be used by right wing tards (I have never seen it used by left wing people). In fact over at youtube I got in an argument with a Howard supporter who response is to accuse me of being unpatriotic. In which case I used that same line about leaving the country on him and even indicated it was a parody of lines used by the right wingers. Needless to say, I didn't get a reply
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Superman wrote:
Critics say the seething anger seen at McCain rallies, with shouts of "treason" and "kill him" heard from some crowds, has been whipped up by campaign ads which have accused the Democrat of associating with terrorists.





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Here's some of that video.

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This has got to be the most fucked up presidential campaign in history. McCain managed to get his stupid goat fucker redneck followers up in arms to the point of wanting to kill Obama (cuz he's an Ayrab), so now he's out doing damage control. This is ridiculous.

The scary thing is that people like that old stupid bat who asked McCain if Obama is an Arab are allowed to vote. The woman really sounds freaked out too. I can't take this anymore. I want to move to another planet. :banghead:
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Ender wrote:Firstly you are wrong - this stuff is directed all the time.
I may be wrong, but it seems you disagree with something I didn't say. I said that you couldn't easily dismiss or civilize it.
Me wrote:At best, one may strive to direct it, to ride its back for a while,
The quality of a successful shit-stirrer like, f'rinstance, Jörg Haider, lies precisely in how well he directs the beast, after all.
Ender wrote:Second, Bush was number 1. Palin is number 2. Any ambition Bush had was already tapped out - no where higher to go. Not so for Palin.
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McCain is unleashing something scary. Anyone else get the feeling that these nuts are going to try to assassinate Obama if he wins?
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The Vortex Empire wrote:McCain is unleashing something scary. Anyone else get the feeling that these nuts are going to try to assassinate Obama if he wins?
No - the people going to the rallies are just pathetic, angry, frightened, spineless wankers. They're not going to do a damned thing. The ones who might try to assassinate Obama aren't going to these rallies, and that's who the Secret Service needs to worry about.
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The Yosemite Bear wrote:same thing as did in Rome, Bread, Circuses, pandering to the phelbians. Come to think of it, Should we build better Roads, big ass aquaducts, have executions in football stadiums, daily nascar races, and legalize prostituion.
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McCain's buyer's remorse over the last day or two is just for show. He's still running ads that accuse Obama of being in league with Ayers, and his running mate is still spewing the same shit at the same velocity. When McCain swipes the microphone out of her hands when she lies about Obama I'll take this seriously (McCain's act, that is).

John "I hate the gooks" McCain knows exactly what he's inciting, and this latest pose is just to distance himself from the possible consequences if an American version of Ygal Amir should try to kill Obama. Or if one of his mobs should physically attack a reporter.
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Looks like the Republitard desire to see Obama assassinated hasn't died down:

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Candidates face rowdy crowd
U.S. Senate hopefuls focus on economy
Associated Press | Story updated at 11:09 pm on 10/9/2008

PERRY - A rowdy crowd of 300 cheered, jeered and often drowned out the candidates in the first U.S. Senate debate of the general election at the Georgia fairgrounds Thursday night.

The roiling economy grabbed center stage and never left as Republican incumbent Saxby Chambliss defended his vote for the $700 billion financial bailout bill.

"Today, folks, we are suffering the 9-11 of our domestic economy," Chambliss said.

For Democratic challenger Jim Martin, who's come out against the rescue package, Chambliss had a blunt message: "sticking your head in the sand is not the answer."

Martin wasted no opportunity to link Chambliss to President Bush, who is plagued with dismal approval ratings.

"From my perspective, the people sticking their heads in the sand were Saxby Chambliss and George Bush," Martin fired back. Martin said the bailout plan lacks adequate safeguards and help for homeowners.

Chambliss had a bullseye on his back all night.

Libertarian Allen Buckley blasted him on the bailout bill, which he labeled a "fiscally irresponsible" measure that puts taxpayers on the hook for the mistakes of high-paid money managers.

"The problem is government got involved," Buckley said.

Thursday's debate took place in front of a highly partisan crowd in the GOP stronghold of Middle Georgia.

Chambliss supporters waved "Saxby" signs and offered up a sustained "boos" when Martin mentioned Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama.

"Bomb Obama," one woman hollered.

Martin backers, most of them bused in from Atlanta, heckled Chambliss with catcalls of "send Saxby Home" and "tell the truth."

Outside the cavernous arena, fairgoers munched on funnel cake and pork butt on a stick.
Originally published in the Athens Banner-Herald on Friday, October 10, 2008
This is to be expected from the followers of a fucktard like Chambliss, who ran ads during his last campaign insinuating that Max Cleland was in league with both Bin Laden AND Saddam Hussein.
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ray245 wrote:At this, rate, you might as well split the US up, and let the republican or red necks states become a 3rd world nation.
This deserves some attention but mostly because it is just as knee jerk WRONG as what the assholes at the rallies are doing. The single biggest lesson of diplomacy that a thinking person should take from the past 8 years is that the one thing you don't do with unstable religious or ideologically fundamental regiemes is try to isolate them from mdoerate elements and basically starve them out. How do you change the culture around folks like the crazies at these rallies? You take the Dean/Obama 50 state strategy approach. Indiana and North Carolina haven't gone Republican in a generation yet they are poised to elect Obama and carry at least one Democratic Senator. The Georgia debate, for all of the crap tossed about, shows that even a true progressive can run competitive in a deep red state if you work hard enough at it.

The core message that Obama (and Dean as well) have been putting out is that the deeper we divide ourselves into progressive/conservative and raitonal/irrational the more we do to perpetuate the conflict. Yes there have to be some lines that you stand on and never let cross but if you demonize your opponents then you just escalate the mess. Its one of the few things that I have fallen victim to on this board but which I often hope to hold down which is dismissing people who voted for Bush or support the war in Iraq. I can easily decry it as illogical and immoral and just plain wrong OR...OR I coudl take the time out of my day and listen and reason with those kind of people.

Its easy, far far too easy to simply say that people who support Bush or any of the host of right wing fantasies can't be reasoned with. Some of them can't (one only has to look at some of the creationism site's hate mail) but the real question is when have any of us tried to actually persuade as in persuade. Not engage in vitrol and attack but patiently listen and exaplining why the views are wrong and what is the what. We do it far too little and are so accustomed to the unhinged and unrepentant that we forget that they are still a minority and there are far more folks who just have old notions that they need to be able to challenge slowly.
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I don't think that the McCain campaign has been trying to paint Obama as a foreign terrorist, but more of a 60s radical. Ayers is pretty white. Even if McCain would discredit Obama by saying he's a foreign agitator or a black nationalist, he hasn't because that's both too racist and unbelievable for independents to swallow. It's his right-wing supporters who are perpetually bringing up Arab connections and Rev. Wright.

Of course, if McCain really wanted to be decent, he would have denounced all of that from the beginning, but he hasn't. I just don't think he's the mastermind behind labeling Obama as a terrorist- that's more of the Rush Limbaughs and Free Republics of the grassroots who are spontaneously attacking Obama. If Romney or Giuliani had been the candidate there would be no difference. Maybe if Jindal was the VP.
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Battlehymn Republic wrote:I don't think that the McCain campaign has been trying to paint Obama as a foreign terrorist, but more of a 60s radical. Ayers is pretty white. Even if McCain would discredit Obama by saying he's a foreign agitator or a black nationalist, he hasn't because that's both too racist and unbelievable for independents to swallow. It's his right-wing supporters who are perpetually bringing up Arab connections and Rev. Wright.
Do you count Palin as a "right wing supporter" it is she who has been saying on the stump the last five days that Obama pals around with Terrorists, that he was friends with a know terrorist and worse things besides.

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Okay yeah Palin is pretty bad, and I don't know how much McCain has been backing her remarks, but to be honest she says a lot of stupid things, some of which have contradicted his own positions in the past. Then again, McCain's to blame for picking her in the first place.
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Battlehymn Republic wrote:Okay yeah Palin is pretty bad, and I don't know how much McCain has been backing her remarks, but to be honest she says a lot of stupid things, some of which have contradicted his own positions in the past. Then again, McCain's to blame for picking her in the first place.
Which is why McCain shoulder's the blame for the "Obama is a terrorist' line. He picked Palin and she is a member of his ticket so either he can't rein her in (whichis damn scary) or he let her loose to say shit like that (which might be scarier). Its his ticket and as the top of it he bears responsiblity for its message.
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Battlehymn Republic wrote:Okay yeah Palin is pretty bad, and I don't know how much McCain has been backing her remarks, but to be honest she says a lot of stupid things, some of which have contradicted his own positions in the past. Then again, McCain's to blame for picking her in the first place.
Considering the recent history with Sarah not allowed anywhere near non-Fox media and even then McCain sitting next to her like her father making sure she's protected I don't believe for one solitary second that that inane folksy moron is allowed to say a solitary word without McCain's express approval. She is a cruise missile for the campaign. You program her with what to say and do and then launch her. Look at her performance in the debate. She was like a fucking robot just repeating lines with the same inflection and emotional content as the androids on Mudd's Planet from TOS.

Palin is doing what most VP's are supposed to do - be the ugly attack dog for the candidate.
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CmdrWilkens wrote:
Battlehymn Republic wrote:Okay yeah Palin is pretty bad, and I don't know how much McCain has been backing her remarks, but to be honest she says a lot of stupid things, some of which have contradicted his own positions in the past. Then again, McCain's to blame for picking her in the first place.
Which is why McCain shoulder's the blame for the "Obama is a terrorist' line. He picked Palin and she is a member of his ticket so either he can't rein her in (whichis damn scary) or he let her loose to say shit like that (which might be scarier). Its his ticket and as the top of it he bears responsiblity for its message.
Exactly. We have two possibilities here:

1) McCain has given her the green light to spout this garbage.

2) McCain cannot control his own VP candidate.

Either way, McCain should not be president.
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So the quote of the day is proof that McCain just had another lapse when he defended Obama and really would rather play in the mud:
QUESTION: The chair of the Republican Party in Virginia has said, quote, in Time magazine, "both Barack Obama and Osama Bin Laden have friends that have bombed the Pentagon. That is scary." Is that appropriate for a state party chair to be saying?

MCCAIN: "I have to look at the context of his remarks. I have always repudiated any comments that have been made that were inappropriate about Senator Obama.
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CmdrWilkens wrote:So the quote of the day is proof that McCain just had another lapse when he defended Obama and really would rather play in the mud:
QUESTION: The chair of the Republican Party in Virginia has said, quote, in Time magazine, "both Barack Obama and Osama Bin Laden have friends that have bombed the Pentagon. That is scary." Is that appropriate for a state party chair to be saying?

MCCAIN: "I have to look at the context of his remarks. I have always repudiated any comments that have been made that were inappropriate about Senator Obama.
The quote comes from TPM
You forget the part where he then launches into the "he launched his campaign from Ares' living room, and Obama should explain that" remark, effectively shifting it right back to the talking point that got him into this mess in the first place. Not learning from his mistakes? Say it ain't so.
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Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin brought her version of the "Straight Talk Express" to Northeast Pennsylvania today, wowing thousands of supporters during a rally in Scranton.

The Alaska governor, accompanied by her husband, Todd, and country music performer Lee Greenwood, spent almost 40 minutes at the Riverfront Sports Complex talking up GOP presidential nominee Sen. John McCain and contrasting his positions with those of Democratic rival Sen. Barack Obama.

The boisterous crowd, estimated at around 4,500, interrupted her speech several times with chants of, "Sarah! Sarah! Sarah!"

In discussing Mr. McCain's plans to get American back on the road to energy independence, Mrs. Palin called it a national security issue. The governor said there is more coal in the United States than there is oil in Saudi Arabia and promised Pennsylvania, with its coal reserves, will have a key role to play.

"Drill, baby, drill, and mine, baby, mine," Mrs. Palin said as the crowd roared its approval.

She mentioned Mr. Obama by name only a handful of times. She accused the Democrat of voting to raise taxes 94 times and said Americans will face higher taxes if he is elected.

"America just can't afford another big spender in the White House," she said.

There were no incendiary outbursts from the crowd about Mr. Obama during Mrs. Palin's speech, as there have been during other recent McCain-Palin rallies.

However, someone did shout out, "Kill him!" during Republican congressional candidate Chris Hackett's remarks before Mrs. Palin took the stage.

The outburst came during a round of booing from the crowd after Mr. Hackett said Mr. Obama should come to Pennsylvania and learn what the state's values are.
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Not surprising that the crowds in Pennsyabama just eat that shit up.
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This is How Fascism Comes:
Reflections on the Cost of Silence
By Tim Wise
October 12, 2008

For those who have seen the ugliness and heard the vitriol emanating from the mouths of persons attending McCain/Palin rallies this past week--what with their demands to kill Barack Obama, slurs that he is a terrorist and a traitor, and paranoid delusions about his crypto-Muslim designs on America--please know this: This is how fascism comes to an ostensible democracy.

If it comes--and if those whose poisonous, unhinged verbiage has been so ubiquitous this week have any say over it, it surely will--this is how it will happen: not with tanks and jackbooted storm troopers, but carried in the hearts of men and women dressed in comfortable shoes, with baseball caps, and What Would Jesus Do? wristbands. It will be heralded by up-dos, designer glasses, you-betcha folksiness and a disdain for big words or hard consonants.

If fascism comes, it will spring from the soil of middle America, from people known as values voters but whose values are toxic, from simple folk whose simplicity, far from being admirable, is better labeled ignorance, from "all-American" types whose patriotism is a dagger pointed at the very heart of the national interest, for it so forsakes all the best principles upon which the republic was founded, choosing instead to elevate and ratify the narrow-mindedness, the bigotry, and the intolerance that also marked our country's origins.

If fascism comes, it will be ushered in by tailgaters at the big football game, by Joe Six Pack, who, upon finishing his sixth beer and belching forth the stench of a mediocre life lived, will gladly announce its arrival, so long as it comes with a steady supply of Pabst Blue Ribbon and hot dogs on the grill, and giant foam hands with a "We're Number 1" finger, some Mardi Gras beads and a good titty bar.

If fascism comes it will dress like a hockey mom, or a NASCAR dad. It will believe Toby Keith to be an artist, Larry the Cable Guy to be a comic, and that the world was made in six literal days less than 6000 years ago.

If fascism comes it will come from the small towns; the ones Sarah Palin, quoting a famous racist and Jew-hater, said "grow good people," and which occasionally do, but which, just as often grow provincial, isolated, fearful and superstitious ones.

If fascism comes it will come from faux populism, from anti-immigrant hysteria, from persons who have more guns in their homes than books, or whose books, when they have them, are principally volumes of the Left Behind series, several different copies of the Bible, and a plethora of romance novels.

If fascism comes it will be welcomed, lock stock and barrel by persons who pray at every meal to a God they visualize as white, whose son they also think was white, and who they believe is going to rapture them all into the sky upon the blowing of some heavenly trumpet, after which point all those who don't think as they think will be burned in an eternal lake of fire. Their vision and version of God is itself fascistic--to love a God who would do such a thing is to love an abusive, sadistic and evil deity after all--so it should come as little surprise that their conception of the state would be equally authoritarian or worse.

If fascism comes it will be at the behest of those who hold a contempt for what they call "book learnin," who prefer Presidents who mispronounce basic words because they make them feel smarter, and who are looking for nothing so much as a commander-in-chief with whom they would enjoy having a beer, or two, or twelve at some backyard barbecue.

If fascism comes it will be interviewed, lovingly, on talk radio, by hosts whose cerebral inadequacies are more than made up for by their bellicosity, their bombast, their willingness to shout down those with whom they cannot argue, for argument requires knowledge, and this is a commodity with which they have not even a passing familiarity.

If fascism comes it will come wrapped in red,white and blue, carrying a crucifix and a shotgun, projecting its own sexual confusion and insecurity onto others, substituting volume for veracity and rage for reason, and landing on the New York Times best-seller list as a result.

If fascism comes it will have a pajama party at Ann Coulter's house, pop pills with Rush Limbaugh, and go gay-bashing with Michael Savage, all in the same weekend. And it will refuse to learn another language or get a passport, because doing either of those would make one cosmopolitan--which is just another word for "faggot."

If fascism comes it will come because a lot of people who aren't like the folks I'm talking about here, won't stand up to the ones who are. Because we're too busy, don't want to make waves, don't want to lose friends, or alienate family. It will come, in other words, because those who know better are cowards, more concerned with getting along, making nice, and being liked than with telling the truth, calling out evil and saving their country.

If fascism comes it will come because of the silence, and thus, collaboration of those who think themselves good, and certainly superior to the knuckle-draggers they can see on YouTube at the McCain rallies, but who in the end are no better and in some ways worse than they: after all, at least fascists stand up for what they believe in. They are telling us, in no uncertain terms what kind of United States they want and are willing to fight for, and maybe even to kill for. But many "progressives," many liberals, many of the so-called enlightened are doing nothing at all.

If fascism comes it will come because those liberals thought voting for Barack Obama was all they needed to do; it will come because they allowed themselves to believe that politics is what a person does every four years, but not at work, and not in the neighborhood, and not at the dinner table. Meanwhile, know-nothings filled with hate, nurtured on racial and religious bigotry and who have overdosed on the kind of hypernationalism that has always proved fatal to those places foolish or craven enough to allow it a foothold, talk of their visions for America at every opportunity. They raise their kids on that sickness, they build churches whose very foundation is rooted in that cancerous rot, and they will think nothing of steamrolling those who get in their way.

So when, exactly, do we fight back? When do we say enough? When do we stand up to our relative or friend who sends us the e-mail about Obama being a Manchurian Candidate or al-Qaeda sympathizer, or the one about the decency of Midwestern flood victims as opposed to those stranded after Katrina, or about how God was punishing New Orleans because of its tolerance of homosexuality, and tell them what we think: namely, that they are a bunch of racist, heterosexist loons, whose friendship or familial connection we neither want nor intend to pursue unless they get help. When do we decide that we love our country and humanity too much to allow these people one more day of decent sleep, one more day of self-assured confidence in their craziness and the willingness of the rest of us to just take it? When do we decide that every irrational, Jeezoid, racist thing that comes from their mouths will be attacked, will be rebutted, until they can no longer take for granted the ability to say any of it in mixed company without being called out?

Why, in the face of the fascism they would surely introduce if given the chance, are we intent on being so nice? Why are we not more offended? Offended not merely at what such persons say about others--like Obama, or Latino immigrants, or whatever--but even about we who look like them? After all, their open exhortations of racism presuppose that they are speaking for us, and that this kind of brain-dead ventilation is something to which all white folks should aspire as though it were virtually the essence of enlightenment.

If fascism comes it will come because we did not see in their actions a sufficient threat, or because we allowed ourselves to believe that it couldn't come, that our institutions were too strong, our people too good, for that to happen. If it comes it will come because we allowed ourselves to believe the rosy and optimistic version of America spun by Obama, without tempering that optimism with a clear-headed appraisal of the way that (sadly) a still huge number of Americans actually think: because we allowed the vehicle of our hopes to outrun the headlights of truth; because we convinced ourselves that we actually lived in the country of our aspirations, rather than the nation we have at present.

And if fascism doesn't come--if, rather, democracy does--it will come because good people said no. It will come because we saw in this moment the opportunity to demand the full measure of our humanity and to pour it forth upon the national soil. It will be because we understood that democracy isn't what you have, it's what you do. But if we are to issue that demand, if we are to stand straight and fulfill the potential we possess to do justice, we had best exercise the option quickly, for the opponents of justice are on the move. They are preparing to enter on the winds of our silence and indifference, and complacency. Let them find no quarter here.
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Re: McCain responds like a decent person to nut, gets booed

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I participate on another forum where this exact same article came up. I pointed out the obvious racism of these people. Yet somehow, I was inferred of being a closet racist, and that those people who made the threats are just stupid and ignorant. :roll: Unfortunately, such monumental ignorance is something that can't be pointed in a way that is more ...... typical around here :) . So after some restraint, I posted an article on the percentage of the population of still think Obama is Muslim and etc, as well as making the point that being bigoted against racism and the like is not a bad thing. Unless you've had your head shoved up somewhere warm and concave, how do you not know that these people are a bunch of fucking racists fucktards?
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Ender wrote:
This is How Fascism Comes:
Reflections on the Cost of Silence
By Tim Wise
October 12, 2008

For those who have seen the ugliness and heard the vitriol emanating from the mouths of persons attending McCain/Palin rallies this past week--what with their demands to kill Barack Obama, slurs that he is a terrorist and a traitor, and paranoid delusions about his crypto-Muslim designs on America--please know this: This is how fascism comes to an ostensible democracy.

If it comes--and if those whose poisonous, unhinged verbiage has been so ubiquitous this week have any say over it, it surely will--this is how it will happen: not with tanks and jackbooted storm troopers, but carried in the hearts of men and women dressed in comfortable shoes, with baseball caps, and What Would Jesus Do? wristbands. It will be heralded by up-dos, designer glasses, you-betcha folksiness and a disdain for big words or hard consonants.

If fascism comes, it will spring from the soil of middle America, from people known as values voters but whose values are toxic, from simple folk whose simplicity, far from being admirable, is better labeled ignorance, from "all-American" types whose patriotism is a dagger pointed at the very heart of the national interest, for it so forsakes all the best principles upon which the republic was founded, choosing instead to elevate and ratify the narrow-mindedness, the bigotry, and the intolerance that also marked our country's origins.

If fascism comes, it will be ushered in by tailgaters at the big football game, by Joe Six Pack, who, upon finishing his sixth beer and belching forth the stench of a mediocre life lived, will gladly announce its arrival, so long as it comes with a steady supply of Pabst Blue Ribbon and hot dogs on the grill, and giant foam hands with a "We're Number 1" finger, some Mardi Gras beads and a good titty bar.

If fascism comes it will dress like a hockey mom, or a NASCAR dad. It will believe Toby Keith to be an artist, Larry the Cable Guy to be a comic, and that the world was made in six literal days less than 6000 years ago.

If fascism comes it will come from the small towns; the ones Sarah Palin, quoting a famous racist and Jew-hater, said "grow good people," and which occasionally do, but which, just as often grow provincial, isolated, fearful and superstitious ones.

If fascism comes it will come from faux populism, from anti-immigrant hysteria, from persons who have more guns in their homes than books, or whose books, when they have them, are principally volumes of the Left Behind series, several different copies of the Bible, and a plethora of romance novels.

If fascism comes it will be welcomed, lock stock and barrel by persons who pray at every meal to a God they visualize as white, whose son they also think was white, and who they believe is going to rapture them all into the sky upon the blowing of some heavenly trumpet, after which point all those who don't think as they think will be burned in an eternal lake of fire. Their vision and version of God is itself fascistic--to love a God who would do such a thing is to love an abusive, sadistic and evil deity after all--so it should come as little surprise that their conception of the state would be equally authoritarian or worse.

If fascism comes it will be at the behest of those who hold a contempt for what they call "book learnin," who prefer Presidents who mispronounce basic words because they make them feel smarter, and who are looking for nothing so much as a commander-in-chief with whom they would enjoy having a beer, or two, or twelve at some backyard barbecue.

If fascism comes it will be interviewed, lovingly, on talk radio, by hosts whose cerebral inadequacies are more than made up for by their bellicosity, their bombast, their willingness to shout down those with whom they cannot argue, for argument requires knowledge, and this is a commodity with which they have not even a passing familiarity.

If fascism comes it will come wrapped in red,white and blue, carrying a crucifix and a shotgun, projecting its own sexual confusion and insecurity onto others, substituting volume for veracity and rage for reason, and landing on the New York Times best-seller list as a result.

If fascism comes it will have a pajama party at Ann Coulter's house, pop pills with Rush Limbaugh, and go gay-bashing with Michael Savage, all in the same weekend. And it will refuse to learn another language or get a passport, because doing either of those would make one cosmopolitan--which is just another word for "faggot."

If fascism comes it will come because a lot of people who aren't like the folks I'm talking about here, won't stand up to the ones who are. Because we're too busy, don't want to make waves, don't want to lose friends, or alienate family. It will come, in other words, because those who know better are cowards, more concerned with getting along, making nice, and being liked than with telling the truth, calling out evil and saving their country.

If fascism comes it will come because of the silence, and thus, collaboration of those who think themselves good, and certainly superior to the knuckle-draggers they can see on YouTube at the McCain rallies, but who in the end are no better and in some ways worse than they: after all, at least fascists stand up for what they believe in. They are telling us, in no uncertain terms what kind of United States they want and are willing to fight for, and maybe even to kill for. But many "progressives," many liberals, many of the so-called enlightened are doing nothing at all.

If fascism comes it will come because those liberals thought voting for Barack Obama was all they needed to do; it will come because they allowed themselves to believe that politics is what a person does every four years, but not at work, and not in the neighborhood, and not at the dinner table. Meanwhile, know-nothings filled with hate, nurtured on racial and religious bigotry and who have overdosed on the kind of hypernationalism that has always proved fatal to those places foolish or craven enough to allow it a foothold, talk of their visions for America at every opportunity. They raise their kids on that sickness, they build churches whose very foundation is rooted in that cancerous rot, and they will think nothing of steamrolling those who get in their way.

So when, exactly, do we fight back? When do we say enough? When do we stand up to our relative or friend who sends us the e-mail about Obama being a Manchurian Candidate or al-Qaeda sympathizer, or the one about the decency of Midwestern flood victims as opposed to those stranded after Katrina, or about how God was punishing New Orleans because of its tolerance of homosexuality, and tell them what we think: namely, that they are a bunch of racist, heterosexist loons, whose friendship or familial connection we neither want nor intend to pursue unless they get help. When do we decide that we love our country and humanity too much to allow these people one more day of decent sleep, one more day of self-assured confidence in their craziness and the willingness of the rest of us to just take it? When do we decide that every irrational, Jeezoid, racist thing that comes from their mouths will be attacked, will be rebutted, until they can no longer take for granted the ability to say any of it in mixed company without being called out?

Why, in the face of the fascism they would surely introduce if given the chance, are we intent on being so nice? Why are we not more offended? Offended not merely at what such persons say about others--like Obama, or Latino immigrants, or whatever--but even about we who look like them? After all, their open exhortations of racism presuppose that they are speaking for us, and that this kind of brain-dead ventilation is something to which all white folks should aspire as though it were virtually the essence of enlightenment.

If fascism comes it will come because we did not see in their actions a sufficient threat, or because we allowed ourselves to believe that it couldn't come, that our institutions were too strong, our people too good, for that to happen. If it comes it will come because we allowed ourselves to believe the rosy and optimistic version of America spun by Obama, without tempering that optimism with a clear-headed appraisal of the way that (sadly) a still huge number of Americans actually think: because we allowed the vehicle of our hopes to outrun the headlights of truth; because we convinced ourselves that we actually lived in the country of our aspirations, rather than the nation we have at present.

And if fascism doesn't come--if, rather, democracy does--it will come because good people said no. It will come because we saw in this moment the opportunity to demand the full measure of our humanity and to pour it forth upon the national soil. It will be because we understood that democracy isn't what you have, it's what you do. But if we are to issue that demand, if we are to stand straight and fulfill the potential we possess to do justice, we had best exercise the option quickly, for the opponents of justice are on the move. They are preparing to enter on the winds of our silence and indifference, and complacency. Let them find no quarter here.
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Re: McCain responds like a decent person to nut, gets booed

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Just noticed one thing. When he respond to the woman who said obama is an Arab, he use a politically incorrect respond by saying he is a family guy and so on.

Bascially, McCain is saying an Arab can't be a nice family guy.
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