The Fannie Mae connection to Obama's campaign

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The Fannie Mae connection to Obama's campaign

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Well, I've recieved an e-mail giving me a brief insight in regards to the current eceonomic crisis.

The e-mail did protray the democracts as being more responsible and did bring a somewhat negative image of government intervention.

Below is the things written on the mail, and you guys can judge if the e-mail is correct or wrong.
Fannie Mae is a GSE (Govt. Sponsored Entity) regulated by Congress.
Fannie Mae buys mortgages from other companies.
It is backed by the taxpayers for all losses, but keeps all profits.
President Clinton loosens Home Loan Requirements.

Banks begin making thousands of bad loans,0 down, no documentation, for 120%! (1998 – 2008).
Executives at Fannie receive huge bonuses if loan targets are met.
Franklin Raines and Jamie Garelick from the Clinton Administration are appointed to run Fannie Mae.
President Bush proposes a new oversight committee to clean up Fannie Mae, but Democrats derail the effort.

Rep. Melvyn Watt, (D-NC) Committee on Financial Institutions & Consumer Credit. stated, “I don’t see much other than weakening the bargaining power poorer families to get affordable housing.”

Raines earns $100 million in bonuses.
Garelick earns $75 million in bonuses.
In 2004, Enron collapses, congress investigates, Executives Skilling & Lay go to jail, for fraudulent bookkeeping.
Congress responds with the Sorbanes-Oxley Act, more heavy regulation of corporations.

An OMB investigation finds massive fraudulent bookkeeping at Fannie Mae.
False numbers triggered executive bonuses every year.
Congress holds no hearings, no one goes to jail, or is punished.
WHY NOT?

Fannie Mae gives millions to Democratic causes, examples: Jesse Jackson & ACORN.
Fannie Mae pays millions to 354 congressmen and senators, from both parties.
Who got the most money?

#1 Sen. Christopher Dodd, (D-CT) Chairman of the Banking, Housing, & Urban Affairs Committee
#2 Sen. Barack Obama, (D-IL)
Federal Financial Management Committee
#3 Sen. Chuck Schumer, (D-NY)
Chairman of the Finance Committee
#4 Rep. Barney Frank, (D-MA)
Chairman of the House Financial Services Committe

Franklin Raines & top execs are forced to resign from Fannie Mae.
They do not go to jail.
There is no media “perp. walk.”
They keeps all of their bonuses
They finally pay $31.4 million in civil fines.

The Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act is sponsored by:
#325 Sen. John McCain, (R-AZ)
Armed Services, & Commerce, Science, & Transportation
“If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.”

None of the top 4 recipients support the legislation.
The reform act is blocked by Democrats, never even making it out of committee.
None of the politicians return any of the money, tainted by fraud.

Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac go bankrupt and the govt. takes them over completely.
Lehman Brothers, goes bankrupt from investing in bad mortgages.
AIG get $85 million in loan guarantees, after insuring bad loans & projects.
Taxpayers will ultimately pay BILLIONS

Franklin Raines is now an advisor to the Obama Campaign which wants the govt. to take over more of the economy.
Did government involvement in the mortgage market work out?
How will even MORE government involvement make it better? Do you want to be Sweden?
McCain favors revising regulations & loan standards, selling off Fannie & Freddie.
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How will even MORE government involvement make it better? Do you want to be Sweden?
Do I want to live in the sixth-highest HDI-rated country? Why yes, yes I would.

As for the article, it reads like a standard chain mail: a lot of grandiose but vague claims, no sources, and no real point.
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Just a list of source given.

Congressional Record, 5/25/06
“Hannity & Colmes,” Fox News, 9/16-9/17/08
Herald Tribune, 4/18/08
New York Times, 9/13/03
www. govtrack.com, 9/17/08
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Bounty wrote:
How will even MORE government involvement make it better? Do you want to be Sweden?
Do I want to live in the sixth-highest HDI-rated country? Why yes, yes I would.

As for the article, it reads like a standard chain mail: a lot of grandiose but vague claims, no sources, and no real point.
Well...at the same time, the highest on the HDI list is Iceland....
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Well...at the same time, the highest on the HDI list is Iceland....
That's not an argument. Are you trying to imply that the human development index isn't a useful indicator because Iceland is highest? You need to provide some evidence that Iceland is a worse place to live than the others in relation to GDP and life expectancy etc.
Congressional Record, 5/25/06
“Hannity & Colmes,” Fox News, 9/16-9/17/08
Herald Tribune, 4/18/08
New York Times, 9/13/03
www. govtrack.com, 9/17/08
These are the sources provided and you are actually taking this seriously? Fox News and some Newspapers? Seriously?
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Resinence wrote:
Well...at the same time, the highest on the HDI list is Iceland....
That's not an argument. Are you trying to imply that the human development index isn't a useful indicator because Iceland is highest? You need to provide some evidence that Iceland is a worse place to live than the others in relation to GDP and life expectancy etc.
Congressional Record, 5/25/06
“Hannity & Colmes,” Fox News, 9/16-9/17/08
Herald Tribune, 4/18/08
New York Times, 9/13/03
www. govtrack.com, 9/17/08
These are the sources provided and you are actually taking this seriously? Fox News and some Newspapers? Seriously?

Nah...just trying to find a good argument to refute the e-mail.
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ARGH THIS HURTS MY BRAIN. Goodness sakes people, no. Just no.
Between 2004 and 2006, when subprime lending was exploding, Fannie and Freddie went from holding a high of 48 percent of the subprime loans that were sold into the secondary market to holding about 24 percent, according to data from Inside Mortgage Finance, a specialty publication. One reason is that Fannie and Freddie were subject to tougher standards than many of the unregulated players in the private sector who weakened lending standards, most of whom have gone bankrupt or are now in deep trouble.

During those same explosive three years, private investment banks - not Fannie and Freddie - dominated the mortgage loans that were packaged and sold into the secondary mortgage market. In 2005 and 2006, the private sector securitized almost two thirds of all U.S. mortgages, supplanting Fannie and Freddie, according to a number of specialty publications that track this data.
First of all, these were private institutions and any attempt to paint them as government agencies is blatantly fallacious. Secondly, it was the vastly more unregulated private institutions that were greedily vacuuming up any and all sub-prime business they could find--to the point that many overseas firms began to emulate the American model. Thirdly, it wasn't even banks as much as it was Sub-Prime lending agencies themselves who were doing this. Fannie and Freddie weren't issuing the bad loans, they were buying them from the private institutions in the process of securitization.

Ask yourself this. Would you invest into a company you knew was doing bad business? Of course not, because a company that's doing bad business is bound to flop eventually. That's what these private companies did, and when they passed those on along to the securitization industry, they passed their bad mortgages along with. The Free Marketeers whittled away at the regulations so they could continue to do this, and any loosening of the loans in the Clinton years were long out of the problem realm by the time this really hit home in the 2004-2006 timeline. How the fuck do you justify this as Clinton's fault when it it was happening in 2004 during the biggest anti-regulation presidency in living memory? Fannie and Freddie were certainly part of the meltdown, but the sole cause? Even if you could pin the entire structure of those two agencies to the democrats, you won't find the fault with them. Any rational business, seeking to operate in good faith and make the greatest profit they could, would sell reasonable loans to these people seeking homes. Instead they sold them predatory loans, and aggressively attempted to get the houses themselves via the foreclosure system, and the house was then put back into this bubbling housing market. This was certainly a failure of the free market--nobody forced these people to act out of short-term greed at everyone's expense. They simply did, because there was no law that said they couldn't and they felt no ethical obligation not to. Free market!
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