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WASHINGTON - How many members of Congress does it take to change a light bulb? Americans may soon find out, courtesy of a contrarian piece of legislation introduced this month by Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota.

Titled the "Light Bulb Freedom of Choice Act," the bill seeks to repeal the nationwide phase-out of conventional light bulbs, the kind that have been used for more than a century -- pretty much since the invention of the incandescent light bulb.

Bachmann, a first-term Republican, is challenging the nation's embrace of energy-efficient compact fluorescent lights, saying the government has no business telling consumers what kind of light bulbs they can buy.

"This is an issue of science over fads and fashions," Bachmann said in an interview Tuesday.

"Congress tends to jump on whatever the current buzz is in the 24-hour news cycle, " Bachmann said.

Her bill, the first challenge of its kind, raises safety questions about the small amounts of mercury in fluorescent lights. It also lands her squarely in the middle of the debate over global warming. In recent remarks to a gathering of Sherburne County Republicans -- reported in the West Sherburne Tribune -- Bachmann called any human connection to global warming "voodoo, nonsense, hokum, a hoax."

"By 2012, incandescent light bulbs will be no more," Bachmann said. "Fluorescent bulbs are more polluting because of their mercury content. We are working on a light bulb bill. If the Democrats can hose up a light bulb, don't trust them with the country."

The electrical and manufacturing industries, in a rare alliance with environmentalists, portray Bachmann's mercury concerns as overblown. They argue that fluorescent lights actually reduce mercury emissions in the long run. That's because the new bulbs use so much less electricity, much of which is produced by burning coal, which emits greenhouse gases and mercury.

"That's not just the industry talking," said Mark Kohorst of the National Electrical Manufacturers Association. "That's an accepted aspect of these products, and that's why they've been promoted so heavily."

Whatever one's views on global warming, Kohorst said, the energy savings of fluorescent lights are real. "The lamp thing has merit," he said. "Unfortunately, [Bachmann] has lumped it in with this whole conspiracy thing."

Environmentalists are more emphatic in downplaying the mercury hazards of fluorescent bulbs, which they say are minimal.

"There is 200 times more mercury in each filling in Congresswoman Bachmann's teeth than there is in a compact fluorescent light bulb," said Julia Bovey, a spokeswoman for the Natural Resources Defense Council.

The federal government is also on board, with Congress' last energy bill, signed by President Bush in December, having mandated a phase-in to energy-saving bulbs starting in 2012.

But in a letter to congressional colleagues earlier this month, Bachmann asked for support of her legislation to reverse that mandate, unless a comptroller general report shows clear economic, health and environmental benefits from the switchover to fluorescent lights.

Her letter says that the energy bill "forces consumers and businesses to use only light bulbs chosen for them by the government" and that further study "is simple due diligence."

Mercury disposal an issue

The mercury content of fluorescent light bulbs has long been a concern of federal and state regulators. Minnesota is one of a handful of states that ban the disposal of fluorescent lights as general waste, and Xcel Energy, the state's biggest utility, actively reimburses many customers for recycling them.

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and Minnesota Pollution Control Agency (MPCA) outline a series of steps that homeowners should take to clean up broken fluorescent lights: Open windows, use rubber gloves, dispose of all material in sealed bags and remove it to a hazardous waste facility.
Now, who is this woman? What other stands has she gloriously taken for the Little Guy? A deranged looney tune who also recently called for an investigation into how many members of Congress are anti-American. CBS story on the statement.
"What I would say is that the news media should do a penetrating expose and take a look. I wish they would," Bachmann said. "I wish the American media would take a great look at the views of the people in Congress and find out, are they pro-America or anti-America. I think people would be -- would love to see an expose like that."
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Fluorescent light bulbs. Fluor. As in Fluoride. As in another dirty Marxist trick.
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Note to self: I need to start a business for exporting incandescent lightbulbs from Canada to our southern neighbours.

On a related note, I wonder if Americans will cross the border to buy lightbulbs like they do with buying standard high-flow toilets.
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My first thought:

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Followed swiftly by my second:
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You know, with Iraq, recession, and all the other problems in this country at the moment, its nice to know that some congress(wo)men have their priorities straight. :roll:

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You know, it's nice that image macros no longer break the entire thread, just the post they're in.

Anyway, what's with this nonsense? This woman's nuts and it's plain to see. Oh, well, at least it doesn't have that good of a chance of passing.

... right?
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Erik von Nein wrote:You know, it's nice that image macros no longer break the entire thread, just the post they're in.
Is the poster causing problems? It seems to be fine on my monitor. :?:

Sorry.
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Erik von Nein wrote:You know, it's nice that image macros no longer break the entire thread, just the post they're in.

Anyway, what's with this nonsense? This woman's nuts and it's plain to see. Oh, well, at least it doesn't have that good of a chance of passing.

... right?
It's never even going to get a committee vote, in all likelihood. It's just election year grandstanding from a right wing idiot.
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Just remember everyone doesn't browse the same way you do.
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Erik von Nein wrote:Just remember everyone doesn't browse the same way you do.
My apologies, sir. :oops:
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Well, that's good to know, Red.

Don't worry about it, Aratech, just don't do it again.
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Read the Wiki on her, and, big surprise, she supports ID in schools and is against further funding for Medicare, as well as opposing gay rights, raising the minimum wage, and privatization of Social Security.

Yep, standard issue Repub loon.

Why can't I live in a sane country where someone like this couldn't get elected?
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Erik von Nein wrote:Well, that's good to know, Red.

Don't worry about it, Aratech, just don't do it again.
It won't.

I'm still somewhat confused as to how this woman thinks this is relevant to the concerns of the American people, especially with all the other problems that are frankly a hell of a lot higher on our list of priorities.

What prompts people to act like this?
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She's a simpleton hoping that campaiging for FREEDOM will gain her brownie points for the insufferable morons who voted her in to begin with.
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Sadly, America is not alone in this brand of rampant idiocy. While incandescents have their uses (try using a fluorescent lamp in minus ten weather outside for your drive etc.), the idea of not making as many so people switch to energy efficient bulbs - like moi - is one with merit. Unfortunately, people here and in other colonies, like Oz, have found a staunch bulb conservative following, much like with metric vs. imperial.

Expect similar sentiments when electric cars start getting brought in.
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you can take my car when you pry the ignition key from my cold dead fingers. <Just kidding>
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Fucking Bachmann. She's the same loonie who just recently asked the media to investigate "un-American" members of congress and the Obama camp and before that was the crazy person who tried to claim that the recession is the fault of poor black lenders who got loans under the Clinton administration's effort to expand ownership. She is fucking crazy.
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I sm beginning to believe that some of these ID, total chickenhawks are actually a front for giant cockroaches bent on ahnihillating humanity.
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Three words: I. Want. Dimmers.

Fluorescent doesn't cut it, and shit we look like zombies under blue-tinted lights.
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Count Chocula wrote:Three words: I. Want. Dimmers.

Fluorescent doesn't cut it, and shit we look like zombies under blue-tinted lights.
They make dimmable CFLs, you know? And at some point, we'll all go to LED lighting, and those are easy to dim.

Also, they make CFLs in more than one color temperature. You can have soft white fluorescent lights that are every bit as yellow as incandescent bulbs.
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Count Chocula wrote:Three words: I. Want. Dimmers.

Fluorescent doesn't cut it, and shit we look like zombies under blue-tinted lights.
Two words for you, Kino-Flo. Besides, pretty much all CFL's are balanced to 3200 Kelvin, which is the same color temperature as tungsten bulbs. The only real exceptions are specialty bulbs that are balanced to be the same as Daylight, which is bluer at 5600K. Like GrandMasterTerwynn said, you can buy dimmable CFL's.

Having done a fair amount of work with HMI lamps, which are specialty lights in Film and TV that have a 'blue tint' to match daylight, I can safely say that people do not look like zombies under that type of light.

To keep this thread on track, this is a really dumb idea. Tungstens give off most of their energy as heat, not visible light. Which means that a majority of the power going into a tungsten lamp is wasted doing nothing other than heat up the light's housing and the surrounding air.

Fluorescents and that whole family of lights, like HMI, Sodium Vapor, and Compact Fluorescent give off most of their light in the visible spectrum, and much, MUCH, less heat, making them easier and safer to handle as well as using less power.
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yeah, but you can't have mock lightsaber battles with incandescent lightbulbs underneath a high voltage line....

what am I the only idjit whose done that?
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Far from the only idiot.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:Sadly, America is not alone in this brand of rampant idiocy. While incandescents have their uses (try using a fluorescent lamp in minus ten weather outside for your drive etc.), the idea of not making as many so people switch to energy efficient bulbs - like moi - is one with merit. Unfortunately, people here and in other colonies, like Oz, have found a staunch bulb conservative following, much like with metric vs. imperial.

Expect similar sentiments when electric cars start getting brought in.
Uh we're banning all Incandescents by 2010.

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The article is from March -- has anything happened to this since then?
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Instant Sunrise wrote:To keep this thread on track, this is a really dumb idea. Tungstens give off most of their energy as heat, not visible light. Which means that a majority of the power going into a tungsten lamp is wasted doing nothing other than heat up the light's housing and the surrounding air.
It makes perfect sense here in Canada, the incandescent bulbs help keep our homes warm while lighting up the room. :)
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