We decided that sinking Astarian cargo ships is doable on our own, without any demands. Actually I didn't "bomb" anythinng but Astarian naval facilities, ports and ships. Astaria played on the collateral from attacks against industrial targets.PeZook wrote:The Reds didn't issue any demands, either
So even if they abolished slavery 10 minutes after your airstrikes and apologized profusely, you'd still hunt down their cargo ships?Stas Bush wrote: We decided that sinking Astarian cargo ships is doable on our own, without any demands. Actually I didn't "bomb" anythinng but Astarian naval facilities, ports and ships. Astaria played on the collateral from attacks against industrial targets.
In any case,naval traffic to and from Astaria after all the bombings is very risky and I feel not many would even consider sendingn their ship to Astaria.
At this point 112 million with an average GNP per capita of $6346 (if you assume an 8% drop in GNP in 2010), similar to that of Ukraina, and with more than twice the population. Given that Ukraina is very much a growing market this isn't that bad. The problem is of course that Astarian business regulations can be a bit tricky, and the country believes strongly that Autarchy is the best way forward. Of course they can no longer afford Autarchy due to the need for foreign armaments.Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Not really. These aren't the most sophisticated of consumers, nor are their buying power comparable to 1st world.PeZook wrote:The curious thing about this war is that neither side declared one, and the CSR doesn't even recognize Astaria. The Reds didn't issue any demands, either
PeZookian officials will hit up the CSR politickos quietly and see if we can get the Republic to stop bombing and torpedoing Astaria at least.
After all, if we get the Astarian markets to open up...hoo, boy. More than 100 million consumers!
Stage 1: Prepare the battlefield and the populationFingolfin_Noldor wrote:What?! Shep, that's outrageous. Are you planning to starve them to death!?
That assumes there's anyone left after the population die off.MKSheppard wrote:Stage 3: We welcome the Astarian Democratic Republic into the fold of the world's nations.
Um, they ARE shooting down the Firebees. The survival rate for Firebees varied from 52% to 82% depending on the model used over North Vietnam during the Vietnam War. I'm expecting a 50% loss rate minimal for them.PeZook wrote:Besides, again, it turns out Astarians are a bunch of bumbling fools who can't shoot down drones or the An-22s that launch them.
In that case the CSR would cease hostilitie (we expended shitloads of missiles, this war already cost us around a billion in munitions alone, not counting fuel for ships and planes). Witthout slaves, ttere's no market for kidnappers and Astarian ships can sail.PeZook wrote:So even if they abolished slavery 10 minutes after your airstrikes and apologized profusely, you'd still hunt down their cargo ships?
Astaria's IADS is far more dense and modern. They would probably lose more, Shep. S-300 and MiG-31 kill envelope is far ggreater than what Vietnam utilized.MKSheppard wrote:The survival rate for Firebees varied from 52% to 82% depending on the model used over North Vietnam during the Vietnam War. I'm expecting a 50% loss rate minimal for them.
True, however S-300s can't be everywhere; and I suspect much of Astaria's armed forces consist of Omega Units or in lowered readiness states; Astaria isn't North Korea where everyone starves or has no car so the Armed Forces can operate thousands of SAMs etc.Stas Bush wrote:Astaria's IADS is far more dense and modern. They would probably lose more, Shep. S-300 and MiG-31 kill envelope is far ggreater than what Vietnam utilized.
You're kinda at war with them, though.MKSheppard wrote: True, however S-300s can't be everywhere; and I suspect much of Astaria's armed forces consist of Omega Units or in lowered readiness states; Astaria isn't North Korea where everyone starves or has no car so the Armed Forces can operate thousands of SAMs etc.
The drones are airlaunched from An-22s, which have a huge range, meaning I can just fly around the long route and launch them towards parts of Astaria where his defenses are weak. I mean 4,000 mile range on An-22 plus 2,000 mile range on Drone = is just awesome.PeZook wrote:You're kinda at war with them, though.
If those are unidentified planes, actually Norse can kill your invasion force. Some of hs fighters have the neccessary range with refuellinng.MKSheppard wrote:The drones are airlaunched from An-22s, which have a huge range, meaning I can just fly around the long route and launch them towards parts of Astaria where his defenses are weak.
It also draws down his stocks of munitions.Stas Bush wrote:Threre would be failures and the lke, but very little number of drones will mmake it to targets.. Insside Astaria - maybe yes. .But the longer they fly, the more likely their destruction.
I wouldn't be so sanguine about that; one of the Firebees during Vietnam acting as SAM-baiters managed to draw 11 (!)SA-2s and evade them before it was finally shot down.S-200, S-125 would operate unimpended against Firebees as well.
Oh goody! That would actually be interesting. Then I could go and hire Stern's Wildcats, flying Tiger-striped F-16s to fly CAP over my planes...for a priceIf those are unidentified planes, actually Norse can kill your invasion force. Some of hs fighters have the neccessary range with refuellinng.
Correct. But the OTH radar has no way telling what the hell was launched. In all fairness, he would be expecting an ALCM barrage, so he'd be all up to prevent damage to his nation.It also draws down his stocks of munitions.
Yes, a high expenditure rate for ground based stationary SAMs is expected. Note however that the result is still achieved.one of the Firebees during Vietnam acting as SAM-baiters managed to draw 11 (!)SA-2s and evade them before it was finally shot down.
That will be necessary in part, but we need some genuine trade, and the Astarian pound has to be registered on the world market. In fact I'm not sure if anyone really knows what the pound is worth, or what the Astarian military budget is (high).PeZook wrote:If they like autarky so much, just set up local manufacturing plants with foreign capital, or hire some well paid (by Astarian standards) lawyers to figure out loopholes for you
First come the CSR bombings ; Then partisan attacks ; About a day later, the crackdown against the MLF begins ; Sebastian and Amanda hear of the attacks some time after that from TV news ; Then we get the abolition speech, then the CSR/Shepistani port attack, then bio attacks.Steve wrote:Okay, so what is the timeline here? In what chronological order do we get the Shepistani partisan attack, the Shepistani/CSR port strike, and the Astarian government's use of the war scare to start abolition?
