Small-town Mandalorian values: a review of Order 66

[Vympel]

Seriously? She compares people who disagree with her to Islamic fundamentalists? Gee, why stop there? Why not just call anyone she doesn't like "Nazis"?

She's already done that.

It's slave-owner-think: it's Nazi-think. And yes, I bloody well hate it.

It's not about Jedi - who don't even exist. It's about you.

That's from her FAQ. In other words, if you're an adult and you think the Jedi are the good guys - she hates you. Which would mean she hates the creator of the franchise she's allowed to play around and fuck up with her Mary/Gary Stu slop, apparently.

Basically, she thinks that the Jedi are somehow responsible for the creation and use of the Clone Army, as if by their mere use in war the Jedi must apparently believe their lives are worth less than others, and that the Jedi should not have "accepted" them as an Army. Why is unknown - would it perhaps have been more legitimate to recruit existing galactic citizens and get all them killed instead? I don't see the difference between either option. In war, people die. No one said the Clones aren't "proper people". Why she thinks the Jedi think that is fucking beyond me.

Oh and there's also the usual ignorant crap about how we should all be suspicious of the Jedi and people supposedly think they're "better" because they have powers

There's a good discussion on TFN.net that gets into the book and its grating aspects (as well as those of the author). In particular by DarthUr, don't know where he came from.

[charlemagne]

Basically, she thinks that the Jedi are somehow responsible for the creation and use of the Clone Army, as if by their mere use in war the Jedi must apparently believe their lives are worth less than others, and that the Jedi should not have "accepted" them as an Army.

Funny how Jedi are shown to care about Clones in pretty much every single episode of "Clone Wars" until now, Yoda even said something like "you may be clones, but you're people and differ from one another nonetheless". How will she work that into her wacky mindset?

[Lord Revan]

Basically, she thinks that the Jedi are somehow responsible for the creation and use of the Clone Army, as if by their mere use in war the Jedi must apparently believe their lives are worth less than others, and that the Jedi should not have "accepted" them as an Army.

Funny how Jedi are shown to care about Clones in pretty much every single episode of "Clone Wars" until now, Yoda even said something like "you may be clones, but you're people and differ from one another nonetheless". How will she work that into her wacky mindset?

it doesn't from what little I've read she simply ignores things that don't fit her fantasy.

[Darth Fanboy]

Technically a Jedi was responsible for the creation of the clone army, though not the order itself. But the idea that the Order had a poor relationship with their clones is preposterous. Oddly enough, the only Jedi we see much of with a negative attitude towards clones is the result of another SW Fanwank brainbug, Quinlan Vos the "Edgy Jedi".

[Vympel]

Technically a Jedi was responsible for the creation of the clone army, though not the order itself. But the idea that the Order had a poor relationship with their clones is preposterous. Oddly enough, the only Jedi we see much of with a negative attitude towards clones is the result of another SW Fanwank brainbug, Quinlan Vos the "Edgy Jedi".

Pfft, screw that Sifo-Dyas crap. Sifo-Dyas was dead and Dooku rocked up to Kamino impersonating him. I have no idea how they came up with another explanation that just was convoluted and shit.

[NecronLord]

You know, I actually agree with her regarding the slavery element of it. The Republic has (had, until the clone wars, rather) the ability to effortlessly wipe out slavery (seriously, the hutts and their ilk are nothing; for that matter, the Republic's wealth was beyond admirable, and into the awesome; for all we know, they could just buy them all off the Hutts) galaxy wide, but doesn't want to get its hands dirty. Its army is made up of slaves. Many droids are clearly sapient slaves (for that matter, B1s are less indoctrinated than the clones) and the Republic doesn't care.

In this respect, Star Wars morality is clearly deficient. It is positively ancient. And yes, one can enjoy stories set in Ancient Rome without supporting slavery (unless of course, one roots for Crassus in Spartacus, I suppose).

But KT doesn't seem to give credit where credit is due. She doesn't acknowledge that there are jedi, such as Master Nico Diath, who have nothing to do with this, and are even activists against it. Most important of all, she seems determined not to remember that her beloved Mandos are themselves slavers.

[Palantas]

Funny how Jedi are shown to care about Clones in pretty much every single episode of "Clone Wars" until now, Yoda even said something like "you may be clones, but you're people and differ from one another nonetheless". How will she work that into her wacky mindset?

Call the writers of the episode talifans and write a novel about how Yoda's a Nazi.

[CaiusWickersham]

I think Lord Poe has said everything he has to say regarding KT. Anything more would be redundant. KT must be swilling the David Brin Flavor-Aid from the sound of her whining.

[Jim Raynor]

God damn it...wow. Once again, Traviss has lowered the bar on her bullshit, below what I could have imagined. I said that after Revelation, which itself came after the inconceivably awful Odds.

Traviss, you stupid bitch. Just give up on your ridiculous grudge against us "Talifans" already, it's just plain childish and unprofessional.

If Traviss would just write a decent SW novel that didn't try to radically alter the SW universe to fit her bizarre view of it (or better yet, stop writing SW period), we wouldn't have anything new to say about her. We would all still remember the way she acted before, and continue to dislike her for that. But those bad memories would fade with time, if they weren't kept alive. For example, where's the rampant KJA hate? We all think he sucks, but how often do we talk about him anymore? Traviss is the one who keeps fanning the flames, perfectly willing to mar her own novels with stupid tangents that do nothing but insult her detractors with faulty logic.

This apparent small town, family values mentality of hers would explain her ignorance and inability to admit her mistakes. Those are common traits among conservative retards. Also, didn't it come out a while ago that Traviss was a creationist?

[General Soontir Fel]

For example, where's the rampant KJA hate? We all think he sucks, but how often do we talk about him anymore?

KJA never did anything as bad as Traviss. His minimalism comes from ignorance, hers comes from pushing her own agenda, so he never defended it in his novels. And his Mary Sues were individual characters, not an entire society. And he can write. I'm probably one of the few people on this board who enjoyed the Dune spin-offs (except the latest, Sandworms of Dune, which isn't a bad story, just a bad fit for the Dune universe).

This apparent small town, family values mentality of hers would explain her ignorance and inability to admit her mistakes. Those are common traits among conservative retards. Also, didn't it come out a while ago that Traviss was a creationist?

When was that?

[Jim Raynor]

For example, where's the rampant KJA hate? We all think he sucks, but how often do we talk about him anymore?

KJA never did anything as bad as Traviss. His minimalism comes from ignorance, hers comes from pushing her own agenda, so he never defended it in his novels. And his Mary Sues were individual characters, not an entire society. And he can write. I'm probably one of the few people on this board who enjoyed the Dune spin-offs (except the latest, Sandworms of Dune, which isn't a bad story, just a bad fit for the Dune universe).

Oh, I'm not saying that KJA is as bad as Traviss. Nothing has been as bad to SW as Traviss has been, because as you said her bullshit is intentional, and not made out of mere ignorance. I'm just pointing out that if Traviss was like KJA (or Vonda McIntyre, or any of the WEG sourcebook writers, or whoever came up with the Jedi Prince kiddie books), us "Talifans" wouldn't be criticizing her anymore. If she would just shut the fuck up and let go of this absurd "3 million" crap, the feud would die and fade into obscurity. She's going out of her way to bring on more criticism from us.

When was that?

It was years ago, and I barely remembered it. I just did some searching and found an old thread here where we talked about it, though I can't find a direct link to where she said it.

Apparent facts are often not absolute, of course, which is why I cut Creationists and the ID bunch some slack because some Darwinists have often overstated the watertight nature of evolution theory to the point where they're indistinguishable from religious dogmatists themselves.

Probably not a full Creationist, but a typical idiot who thinks the Creationists make some good points.

[Samuel]

More likely she is a Golden Mean idiot.