A new Space Battle movie is out

[Vertigo1]

Oooh! An invasion! Can I join?

Seriously though, don't you guys find it a bit sad that you're taking a fan-made movie as if it were a real-life event? If you don't like what Miles made, buy yourself a copy of Lightwave, download the free version of Maya, or get yourself a copy of 3dsmax and make your own movie! Why don't you put your [sarcasm] obviously superior intelligence [/sarcasm] to good use by making your own fanfic movies for everyone to enjoy instead of bitching like a bunch of babies (ironic that you refer to all of SB with that term) whining about how its "inaccurate".

Hell, if you find a glitch in the movie, then by all means report it. However, don't go on about it being a "trekkie wank-off" movie. Miles made it for one purpose only. To entertain. Not to represent how an actual battle would take place, nor to piss you guys off. He uploaded it for all to enjoy after having to painstakingly restore the majority of it after a big hard drive crash.

Now I'm not saying you HAVE to like it, but if you don't like it then don't be a dick about it. Ever hear of constructive criticism? Try offering ways to improve his work instead of slamming it at every opportunity.


I'm probably going to be flamed to death by the resident rabid warsies, but I really don't care. I'm just making this post to defend my friend Miles. (I would do the same if the tides were turned and it was a bunch of rabid trekkies slamming a pro-wars movie so don't presume otherwise.) To be fully honest with you, I had intended on signing up sooner, but given recent actions here...I seriously doubt I'll be staying here much longer.

[StarshipTitanic]

As long as it's in a vs forum, it's fair game.

[His Divine Shadow]

Seriously though, don't you guys find it a bit sad that you're taking a fan-made movie as if it were a real-life event?

Vertigo, it was posted in the vs. forums, had this been a mirror incident on SB pretty much the same would have happened(but less viciosly, people aren't as jaded on SB), people thought someone was trying to argue SS vs. ST with that movie, thats bound to explode in everybodys faces.

I am pretty sure had this been posted in another forum and it had said it was just for fun, eye-candy all this people are saying in retrospect now, then we would have had a very different scenario.

[HBMC]

Ok. Good. Got the account working.







Hello all. I'm H.B.M.C., long time supporter of Mr. Wong and his page as well as Spacebattles First One (since the begining, all those long years ago).

I have one thing to say to the people attacking the technical accuracy of this film:

Get. Over. It.

It's just an animation, made for fun. The Shadow Defiant is cool because it's a super crusier thingy. So what if in "real life" a Defiant wouldn't stand a chance against your average Victory Class ISD - it's just a movie.

No need to get all riled up about it.

BYE

[HBMC]

Vertigo, it was posted in the vs. forums, had this been a mirror incident on SB pretty much the same would have happened(but less viciosly, people aren't as jaded on SB), people thought someone was trying to argue SS vs. ST with that movie, thats bound to explode in everybodys faces.

It was posted in the General Forum at SB.com, or are you talking about here?

If it was posted in a VS forum here then it was flame bait, pure and simple.

BYE

[His Divine Shadow]

It was posted in the General Forum at SB.com, or are you talking about here?

If it was posted in a VS forum here then it was flame bait, pure and simple.

Well, this link was posted in this forums vs. forums, without any explanation, just a link, WTH are people supposed to think?

Imagine the same being done on SB's vs. forum, just a first post from a new poster wich links to a movie of an ISD taking on the UFP or something.

[His Divine Shadow]

It's just an animation, made for fun. The Shadow Defiant is cool because it's a super crusier thingy. So what if in "real life" a Defiant wouldn't stand a chance against your average Victory Class ISD - it's just a movie.

Oh my gripe with the shadow defiant is just that it strikes me as wrong, as in out of character.

[Yuri]

I think the Defient in that second movie was some kind of pseudo Shadow ship from B5.

[Mr Bean]

I say it agian and agian yet no-one gets a clue, Former SBs prehaps if you all joined togther and hit them over the collective head with a large blunt object we will be rid of all those unable to read and write English yet claim to anyone and crictise others for not doing it the best, yes thats one insanely long run on sentance I like run-on sentances because I do.

I have one thing to say to the people attacking the technical accuracy of this film:

Get. Over. It.

Prehaps a bit plainer
We, Are, Over, It
To be exact HDS and I are the only ones here cricistining the tecnical relisticnicts of it, BUT YOU *#^#^#^ Morons thats not the only problem with it.

In order of Selection
Problems with the Movies
1. Bad Choice of Music for the First and Second Moives
2. Scalling errors, Ships are bigger or smaller from each sceane to sceane, Thats not tecnical, thats just idiotic
3. So is the whole Lack of Plot/Story, Anything
4.And prehaps the least but still glaring error, Why are Naboo Fighters and TIE/IN both lanunching from the ISD's then fighting each other?
5.The animation for everything except Voyager pretty much consistes of Straite lines, IE it sucks.

My Personal Comments and the only part you people seem to read
1.Its a pro Trecky/B5 Wank Fest(This seems to be the only comment people read when I post)
2. Super-death spin Defiant with Shadow beam's then suddly decesides that after killing three ISDs and roughly thirty times is a good time to power down and let the ISD's finaly kill it?, Riiiight

Don't latch onto one particular thing it makes you look like an idiot when their are so many other nice problems with the movies

[Pablo Sanchez]

You mean the taser I'm about to feed you? :p

ZZZZZZT

No, that taser just now. Here, I'll remind you again.

ZZZT

/screams

Now that we are clear on this point...

BTW, you'll notice that two of those names on the list are mods around here. If anyone is purged, it's going to be you. :p

Unfortunately my activities are operated on behalf of Our Glorious Leader, Darth Wong, and the safety and security of the great SD.net Boards. These prerogatives override all others, no?

[HBMC]

Prehaps a bit plainer
We, Are, Over, It
To be exact HDS and I are the only ones here cricistining the tecnical relisticnicts of it, BUT YOU *#^#^#^ Morons thats not the only problem with it.

Why are you criticising the technical realisticness (if that's a word) of it? Why? What's the point. It's just a movie.

1. Bad Choice of Music for the First and Second Moives

In your opinion yes. I don't particulary like the music either. Doesn't make it a "Trekkie wank fest".

2. Scalling errors, Ships are bigger or smaller from each sceane to sceane, Thats not tecnical, thats just idiotic

Who cares? So what? Why does everything have to be to perfect scale. I've seen a Spacebattles movie (my fav one actually) where there is a horde of B5 Whitestars that, put end on end, would take atleast 5 of them to run the length of the Defiant despite the fact that Whitestars and the Defiant are essentially the same length. Still didn't stop it from being my fav SB.com movie.

3. So is the whole Lack of Plot/Story, Anything

Valid, but still pointless as the movie is an expression in 3D, and for cool explosions and ships. Nothing more.

4.And prehaps the least but still glaring error, Why are Naboo Fighters and TIE/IN both lanunching from the ISD's then fighting each other?

Can't say I saw that, but anyway. I'll assume you're right here.

5.The animation for everything except Voyager pretty much consistes of Straite lines, IE it sucks.

In the words of those before me - YOU go and animate one before you can say a damned thing about how hard it is. I've tried. I made a Borg cube turn and fly forward. It looked like shit. Character animation was easier than that...

My Personal Comments and the only part you people seem to read
1.Its a pro Trecky/B5 Wank Fest(This seems to be the only comment people read when I post)

Because it sums up your attitude more than anything.

It's not a fucking Trek/5'ver Wank Fest - It's a 3D movie with cool ships and explosions made for fun. It's not designed to have any technical accuracy at all.

And the Imperials are the BAD GUYS in it. They HAVE to lose. In one of the last SB.com movie's to be released the Federation forces were the bad guys and had their asses handed to them by B5. The movie before that it was the other way around.

2. Super-death spin Defiant with Shadow beam's then suddly decesides that after killing three ISDs and roughly thirty times is a good time to power down and let the ISD's finaly kill it?, Riiiight

In the same way the Excalibure needs to shut down for a minute after firing it's main gun? Where's the problem? It's been done before.

God you're like the Trekkies that went up in arms when the Miranda class got blown up by 12 or so LTL blasts in "Death of Angels 3".

Don't latch onto one particular thing it makes you look like an idiot when their are so many other nice problems with the movies

None of them that you've made are valid aside from music and story line.

It's not technically accurate because it's not meant to therefore:

Weapon effects do not have to be realistic.
Ship sizing does not have to be realistic.

The story line is virtually non-existand because it's all about explosions and that's all (and showing off Mile's growing skillz).

And the music, well, that's a personal preference that I agree with you on, doesn't make it a "wank fest".

Once you've taken the pole AND head out of your ass and, at the same time, make your high horse get OFF the soap box then we can get on with this.

BYE

[SirNitram]

So basically we have to like what you like, or our complaints are invalid? Please.

Crappy Animation. I can do better battle maneuvering with my copy of Homeworld.

Bizarre Ships With No Plot To Explain. Shadow Defiant? Could the creator perhaps try and offer a plot for that if nothing else? Hell, I'd settle for a little .txt file explaining the situation thrown in. Some people just like flashy 3D, but as an author, I will freely criticize this. It sucks because there is no logic or sense, or even much internal consistancy. Which brings me to the next point.

Scaling. At very least, be internally consistant. Otherwise you look amateurish and stupid. It doesn't take much to keep your movies internally consistant. I don't much mind if this Shadow-Defiant is as big as Voyager, or as small as an A-wing, as long as it stays the same size throughout the film.

[HBMC]

So basically we have to like what you like, or our complaints are invalid? Please.

I love it when people put words in my mouth.

I never said that. I said, and this time I'll type it slowly as you're having trouble reading it. I'll also try not to use big words like "the" and "and" so that you might understand it better.

The idea that the movie is bad because it doesn't follow technical accuracies is a frickin' stupid, and totally invalid point. If the movie was designed as a technical representation (in much the same way as GK's fanfic is designed as one) then yes, it'd suck (in much the same way as GK's fanfic).

But seeing as though it's NOT designed with technical accuracy in mind, and simply with whacked out ships (Shadow Defiant!) blowing each other up, the whole "technical" side of it is out the window and the movie cannot be criticised for such an issue - or it can, but none of the criticisms are valid in any way.

Crappy Animation. I can do better battle maneuvering with my copy of Homeworld.

I'm so sorry Miles isn't a multi-million dollar 3D studio with a fulltime staff devoted to animation. He's an ameture and can do a fuck-load better than you or I could ever hope too (unless we had the same time and experience).

Bizarre Ships With No Plot To Explain. Shadow Defiant? Could the creator perhaps try and offer a plot for that if nothing else? Hell, I'd settle for a little .txt file explaining the situation thrown in.

Sometimes that is done, sometimes it isn't. Sometimes its to the movie's detrement, sometimes to its merit. The fact with these particular movies, the MEE series, I don't see it as mattering. It's just explosions. If you're too "high-minded" to see that, then please don't watch it. But don't attack Miles or the movie about lacking plot, technical accuracy, or being a "wank fest".

Some people just like flashy 3D, but as an author, I will freely criticize this. It sucks because there is no logic or sense, or even much internal consistancy. Which brings me to the next point.

Hey, that's great. I'm a writer too. Isn't that wonderful. And when I want to see something that's well written, expertly crafted and deeply meaningful I will.

A Spacebattle movie is none of these things - it's explosions, music and ships. To expect anything more is idiocy.

Scaling. At very least, be internally consistant. Otherwise you look amateurish and stupid. It doesn't take much to keep your movies internally consistant. I don't much mind if this Shadow-Defiant is as big as Voyager, or as small as an A-wing, as long as it stays the same size throughout the film.

Ok, technically accurate scaling and internal consistant scaling are too VERY different things.

One of my fav SB.com movies (Alpha Quadrant Part 5) has the E-E one size in one shot, then much bigger in another, and it was really showing. It didn't detract too much (other scaling was consistant, it was just that one shot).

As yet, the whole "wank fest" ideal has yet to be proven. And any attack on the film for technical inaccuracy and/or plotting is just plain silly.

BYE

[SirNitram]

Did I say anything about a wank fest? Nope. My comments in this thread until the quoted post have largely been mocking the SB'ers who came in and started demanding we like the movie.

As for the comment about 'multi-million studio', do you know what Homeworld is? It's a 3D space combat game, but it can produce better than that movie. It goes for between 30-20 bucks in most stores now, probably less than the 3D modelling program used to create this. It's highly customizable, and if my fucking computer was working, I'd demonstrate this by making a brief recording of a squadron of TIE Defenders blowing through a Sovereign and it's escorts. With freezeframe and wraparound, for no apparant reason.

As for the story, yes, I am going to drive this into the ground. It has no plot. I'm sorry if it's some sort of sin to expect even a meagre plot. It's bad enough this was posted in a Vs. forum, but I'd like something for my time I couldn't get by firing up a video game. It doesn't take much to come up with a plot, especially for a very simple battle sequence. For this one, it could be as simple as 'Voyager, in it's quest through the Delta Quadrant, locates a dimensional gate.. Leading straight into a lethal crossfire between the Empire and the Shadow's newest creation.' It's not much, but it's a point to start from. If you post something in a forum, don't be surprised when someone criticizes it. If the creator is reading this, once you fine up the movie(If you are planning to do so), sit down and think out a simple plot.

I've never complained about technical accuracy(I did, however, point out that there would be plenty of crying if a TIE Fighter took out the ISA and Federation in a movie and it was posted to a Vs. forum), but I will continue to complain about the internal scaling. It isn't that hard.

[Steve]

ZZZZZZT

No, that taser just now. Here, I'll remind you again.

ZZZT

/screams

Now that we are clear on this point...

You shouldn't tazer yourself, no matter how stimulating you find it.

Unfortunately my activities are operated on behalf of Our Glorious Leader, Darth Wong, and the safety and security of the great SD.net Boards. These prerogatives override all others, no?

Yes, and their presence is required for said safety and security. By threatening them you threaten that which you mean to protect. Thus leaving you prone to a purge, comrade.

[Pablo Sanchez]

[quote="Steve]"You shouldn't tazer yourself, no matter how stimulating you find it.[/quote]

Perhaps the tazer has stunned your brains.

Yes, and their presence is required for said safety and security. By threatening them you threaten that which you mean to protect. Thus leaving you prone to a purge, comrade.

Moderators can be easily replaced--invasions are not recovered from so easily.

[Mr Bean]

When will people read....

Why are you criticising the technical realisticness (if that's a word) of it? Why? What's the point. It's just a movie.

READ WHAT I SAID, Its in addition, See my eariler example on the Six year old with a Broad Sword example of why some people would not enjoy a movie because it was a random jumble? Its a crappy movie thats the point, IN ADDITION its a Wank fest, Hell it could have been a Culture Wank fest for all I care the point stands its a crappy movie.

In your opinion yes. I don't particulary like the music either. Doesn't make it a "Trekkie wank fest

No and I never said the bad music made it a Wank fest but those with the Eyes to see and read would already know that and not make me waste my time repeating it

Who cares? So what? Why does everything have to be to perfect scale. I've seen a Spacebattles movie (my fav one actually) where there is a horde of B5 Whitestars that, put end on end, would take atleast 5 of them to run the length of the Defiant despite the fact that Whitestars and the Defiant are essentially the same length. Still didn't stop it from being my fav SB.com movie.

To those that acutal could read what I wrote I said this Quote:
Ships are bigger or smaller from each sceane to sceane, Thats not tecnical, thats just idiotic

Why do I say this? Because its like switching Actors in the Middle of a Movie, Not once but several times, If you want me to get tecnical the only object that said the same size where the ISDs however the TIE/INs went from roughly five meters long to nearly eighty at one point, The Fighters and the Defiant where bigger and smaller for no apprent reason creating much the effect of Watching say some Movie and just where they get to the Climax a Old Ugly Naked Guy suddenly pops into frame and starts doing a breakdance, It tends to distract from any enjoyment you might have grasped from the movie desipite its neumorus OTHER Flaws.

Valid, but still pointless as the movie is an expression in 3D, and for cool explosions and ships. Nothing more.

Not pointless, How hard is it to slap a Still Frame in for five seconds say well One Day B5 and ST got togther and there was much kicking of SW arse, I would drop my Plot point if they could do somthing as half assed as even THAT

In the words of those before me - YOU go and animate one before you can say a damned thing about how hard it is. I've tried. I made a Borg cube turn and fly forward. It looked like shit. Character animation was easier than that...

An odd twist on the Burden of Proof Fallicy, Tell me this, Could you have written designed and directed a movie, Say the Postman? No? But would you know if it was bad or not?
You don't have to do to know whats bad, Thats easy

None of them that you've made are valid aside from music and story line.

It's not technically accurate because it's not meant to therefore:

Weapon effects do not have to be realistic.
Ship sizing does not have to be realistic.

The story line is virtually non-existand because it's all about explosions and that's all (and showing off Mile's growing skillz).

And the music, well, that's a personal preference that I agree with you on, doesn't make it a "wank fest".

Once you've taken the pole AND head out of your ass and, at the same time, make your high horse get OFF the soap box then we can get on with this.

PERSONAL COMMENTS, are just that PERSONAL COMMENTS, The movie sucked, the Animation was bad, No plot, Poor Music Choice, terrible Grahixs errors the list goes on

I find it laugable that you acuse me of having my head up my rear while at the same time ignore whats right in front of you, not even bothering to read what I wrote and further idicoys I wont waste time or board space going into

The movie was bad for a varity of reasons
I've stated those reasons
Need I say anything else?

[Isil`Zha]

I say it agian and agian yet no-one gets a clue, Former SBs prehaps if you all joined togther and hit them over the collective head with a large blunt object we will be rid of all those unable to read and write English yet claim to anyone and crictise others for not doing it the best, yes thats one insanely long run on sentance I like run-on sentances because I do.

I have one thing to say to the people attacking the technical accuracy of this film:

Get. Over. It.

Prehaps a bit plainer
We, Are, Over, It
To be exact HDS and I are the only ones here cricistining the tecnical relisticnicts of it, BUT YOU *#^#^#^ Morons thats not the only problem with it.

In order of Selection
Problems with the Movies
1. Bad Choice of Music for the First and Second Moives
2. Scalling errors, Ships are bigger or smaller from each sceane to sceane, Thats not tecnical, thats just idiotic
3. So is the whole Lack of Plot/Story, Anything
4.And prehaps the least but still glaring error, Why are Naboo Fighters and TIE/IN both lanunching from the ISD's then fighting each other?
5.The animation for everything except Voyager pretty much consistes of Straite lines, IE it sucks.

My Personal Comments and the only part you people seem to read
1.Its a pro Trecky/B5 Wank Fest(This seems to be the only comment people read when I post)
2. Super-death spin Defiant with Shadow beam's then suddly decesides that after killing three ISDs and roughly thirty times is a good time to power down and let the ISD's finaly kill it?, Riiiight

Don't latch onto one particular thing it makes you look like an idiot when their are so many other nice problems with the movies

You sir, are just plain pathedic. Pull your head out of the TV/Computer and go outdoors or something....

[Mr Bean]

I'm typing this Via my Friends Laptop using my wireless networking on the back porch

[Isil`Zha]

I'm typing this Via my Friends Laptop using my wireless networking on the back porch

You still need to pull your head out of the computer for that to be effective

[Mr Bean]

But thats what my job is.....
Sorry but I make my livelyhood working as a Network Admin and doing what you've asked me to do would get me kinda fire

I go to work and basicly sit around because I've trained my users well to reboot first THEN call me so I have basicly six hours free everyday I post here plus that useless free-time at home
Theres only so many hours in the day you be outside or inside before it becomes useless as hell

The orgional was an ad-homean attack on the insane amount of free time I have on my hands and you know you wish you had as much as I do trying to dimsie my aurgments but I decided what the hell more likely to get a polite response if I just go with it

[Isil`Zha]

But thats what my job is.....
Sorry but I make my livelyhood working as a Network Admin and doing what you've asked me to do would get me kinda fire

I go to work and basicly sit around because I've trained my users well to reboot first THEN call me so I have basicly six hours free everyday I post here plus that useless free-time at home
Theres only so many hours in the day you be outside or inside before it becomes useless as hell

The orgional was an ad-homean attack on the insane amount of free time I have on my hands and you know you wish you had as much as I do trying to dimsie my aurgments but I decided what the hell more likely to get a polite response if I just go with it

Your "argument" doesn't need any more helping in being demised.. it's already completely pointless... you're taking the EYE-CANDY way too seriously.... bah, I've got the free time right now and I am bored as hell, I wish I had something to do right now....

[Mr Bean]

The question was do you like the Movie waaaaaaaaaaaaaay back on Page one
Then it asked why or why not

Its not an aurgment because I'm not aurguing anything, I'm providing my opioin and its quite intresting to see all the SB come and jump on me for providing an Opioin

[Isil`Zha]

The question was do you like the Movie waaaaaaaaaaaaaay back on Page one
Then it asked why or why not

Its not an aurgment because I'm not aurguing anything, I'm providing my opioin and its quite intresting to see all the SB come and jump on me for providing an Opioin

You keep arguing it as though you think it's more than just an opinion.. I mean really, the movies were made for just eye-candy and you guys are going on about how stupid it is because "that wouldn't happen" and such...

I don't know about you, but when these come out I enjoy them no matter what happens to whom.

[Isil`Zha]

Ooops...

I like them no matter what happens to whom so long as it looks good and everything.