didn't someone say earlier that in order for TLs to pass through the ISD's shields, there would have to be some kind of shielding frequency or else the shields would block the ISD's own weapon fire? im not sure if u refuted this or not, so im just bringing it up again.
Firefly, from what I've read of your posts, it appears to be your consistent and annoying strategy to assume that the only method of doing something is the ST way of doing it. This is a version of the "speed holes" fallacy. In fact, there are any number of ways of accomplishing the same effect. For example, a SW ship could have unshielded weapon emitters (which is supported by some EU circumstantial evidence, which indicates that TL's might be able to be damaged or destroyed even while the ship's shields are up), it could be that the ship is capable of shutting down a small portion of its shields for the brief time period in which the weapon is being discharged, or it could be that ray shields in SW are one-directional, and allow energy to move out of them while preventing it from moving in. You assumed that your explanation was the ONLY possible explanation, when there are other explanations that fit the evidence better.
Firefly wrote:just another question that only sort of relates to this... can u (or Darth Servo) post up the specs of a shield generator? not the shield itself, but the generator. like, how it operates, what's its power level at, etc. im interested to know. thx
According to the ICS:II, the shields of an Acclamator transport are rated at 7E22 watts. Evidence from EU sources involving weapons fire being exchanged between capital ships (measured in joules--and ships can absorb such weapons fire over the space of less than one minute) is 240 TT as a low-end calculation.
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i dont think there's any question that the Borg cannot transport through shielding. i believe, however, that they could transport through armor. where does it say that ECM's and magnetic fields disrupt transportation, though?
1. The Borg have never been observed to beam through armor. To believe that they could based on non-existent evidence is fallacious.
2. If we assume similar levels of technology with that of the UFP (whose transporters have not substantively changed since TOS), we find numerous incidents in which rock, ores, radiation, and similar things can stop transporters completely. For instance, in "Symbiosis," an X-Ray burst from a star blocked the E-D's transporters. In "Ensigns of Command," the ship's transporters were disrupted by natural radiation. In "Legacy," it proved possible to stop a transporter simply with a transformer. In "Schisms," we see that transporters are stopped by nuclear reactors generating nucleonic radiation, which is also observed in ST:IV and ST:FC. In "True Q," IONS present in the atmosphere of a habitable planet stop transporters. This exact same effect is also seen in "Quality of Life," and "Lessons." In "Suspicions," the transporters were not functional due to EM radiation in the form of sunlight. The use of transporters during combat situations suggests that it is impossible to beam people OUT of different starships during combat, suggesting strongly that ECM's can counter transporter scans easily. The same is suggested by the inability of ST ships to target enemy vessels at ranges of more than 10 or so km, which could indicate that ECM jamming is responsible, seeing as how these ships have also targetted areas of planets and other non-maneuvering targets at greater range.
i may be wrong on this, but i think the borg have to adapt their shielding every time they face a different weapon. i dont think the shielding frequencies are "stored" in memory banks or whatever. that's why we've seen ST kill borg with phaser fire in numerous episodes. i think they always have to adapt to weapons each new time they face it. i hope that makes sense...
You are wrong, although I suppose you're used to it, by now. Your theory, incidentally, is inconsistent within itself. It requires that the Borg "remember" how to stop weapons fire while they are in combat, but then immediately "forget" that until the next time. Unfortunately, the cube in "Q Who" disagreed with your assessment, and the Borg cube in "Best of Both Worlds" maintained some of that ship's resistance to phaser and torpedo fire, in spite of UFP efforts to counteract this advantage.
it's like seeing a bug crawling on the sidewalk. if it's not threatening you, there's no reason why you would kill it. of course, you might kill it anyways just for fun (or just because u dont like bugs), but the borg don't recognize "fun" and they have no prejudices against any race. they are all inferior in their eyes.
Do you always assume that everyone in ST acts in an intelligent manner? You are an idiot for not understanding this. They DO have prejudices against different races (they separate between different species for a reason, even explaining that some of their enemies make "good drones," or that they are difficult to assimilate), the Borg SHOULD terminate or assimilate people wandering around their ship (if only to gain more information about them), and in BoBW, the people on the cube WERE a threat to the Collective and Locutus, and should have been removed if only for that reason. Further, allowing an enemy to gain information about you is a ridiculous and stupid way to fight a war. Even if the enemy poses little danger to you, if you can neutralize him quickly then so much the better. Additionally, information that the enemy gains on you could be used to damage you, and you should take steps to minimize that damage even if the resources that you have committed are relatively insignificant.
i dont recall whether the Cube was firing more than one weapon at a time, but this seems correct so far. however, wouldn't that be a bad thing for the SW side to say that the Cube only fires one weapon at a time? if it can last that long with all those ships firing at it, AND it was only shooting one weapon at a time, AND it would have won, then wouldn't that mean that a Cube is super-duper powerful?
LMAO. It would indicate that the Borg cube is quite a bit better than the ships that opposed it. A SW ship would be orders of magnitude more powerful in relation to a Borg cube than the cube was to the UFP vessels that were hammering it. What is confusing about this to you?
im assuming you're talking about the borg since your post (or the quote) doesn't say... anyways, you dont back up your claim with any proof, so how would we know that the borg would "still die as if they were nothing compared to Imperial forces"? and dont say that you've been giving proof all along. because boggy and dedman and i have been refuting your evidence with more evidence. so the only way you can back up your claims are with different evidence.
1. Imperial stormtroopers are tactically superior to Borg drones in nearly every respect. Their firepower is greater (ref. ANH, when stormtroopers blasted through a blast-door with a single shot from their E-11's). Their protection is orders of magnitude greater (ref. Lightsabers, when a man thrown across the room by a spear discovered that the weapon had not done ANY structural damage to the armor that saved his life). They move more quickly, think more quickly, and act more quickly than drones. They use ranged weapons in addition to melee weapons.
dont they create nanoprobes by themselves? they at least have to generate new ones if they keep on using them to assimilate other species.
Actually, both of you are correct in a way. The Borg have never created modified nanoprobes, as shown in "Scorpion," when the entire COLLECTIVE had been unable to create nanoprobes capable of defeating Species-8472. The Doctor was able to create the probes in less than one day of research. However, the Borg must manufacture their own probes, which they have been observed doing.
the Empire couldn't detect cloaked ships, nor the Falcon against its hull, nor R2-D2 and C-3PO in the escape pod, nor the Falcon when it was hiding out in the asteroid.
1. SW ships CAN detect SW cloaked ships. It just takes different and more detailed scans than the ones they normally take.
2. The Falcon was sitting in a sensor blind-spot on the ISD's hull. Frankly, it would have been surprising if the ISD had been able to find it.
3. The Empire was not looking for droids, and so did not scan for them. They clearly indicated that they could have found a life-form at that range, indicating that the problem was not with the scanners but with the parameters of the search.
4. The Empire did not detect a ship that was powered-down, in the middle of ANOTHER LIFE FORM, buried in an asteroid that their capital ships never came close to. How does this support your cause?
Let's compare these to the UFP's sensors in TNG. They are known to be incapable of detecting ships in PLAIN SIGHT just because the ship sits above the North Pole of a planet. In fact, their best medical scanners were incapable of detecing a LIVING BEING that was visible to the naked eye using UV light. A Klingon BoP was incapable of detecing a hole in its own hull for several hours. For a more complete list of ST sensor blunders, see here:
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/index.html
i dont know about this personally, but if the spider web thing is true, then that would mean that the spider web would survive better than the steel would.
You are partially correct, once again, however spider-webbing is never used in bullet-proof vests for a reason. It is SO flexible that it is incapable of stopping bullets, or a sword, or any other kind of weapon. While it is stronger and lighter and more flexible than steel, it is incapable of being used in protective armor, and its applications are more limited.
