T:SCC 2x06: "The Tower Is Tall But The Fall Is Short"

[Faqa]

How does she stack up against a T-1000 or a T-X?

Well, she knows better than to tangle with a superior opponent 1-on-1, and she has generally been smarter than her opposition, so I'd give her OK odds against a T-1000. Although if she has to fight it in melee, she's about as fucked as Arnold.

However, a T-X would just kick her ass. Not that any such models exist, of course. They're part of that movie which doesn't exist....

[NecronLord]

*Sigh* Y'know, the series did indeed reference T-3. It may not be part of the same timeline, but it's part of the continuity, after a fashion.

[Faqa]

*Sigh* Y'know, the series did indeed reference T-3. It may not be part of the same timeline, but it's part of the continuity, after a fashion.

Where, aside from Sarah's cancer diagnosis?

At any rate, I consider T-3 to be a total betrayal of the ideas of the Terminator franchise, which is why I consider it out of continuity. It's a mindless action movie. Not a bad one, to be sure, but with none of the soul of the first two installments.

This series, on the other hand, respects the first two movies(to a point), and continues with the same basic philosophy. The future is being changed all around. Sure, the big events might still happen, but the shape that a Skynet-nuked world will take is not static.

[NecronLord]

Where, aside from Sarah's cancer diagnosis?

Ahem...

At any rate, I consider T-3 to be a total betrayal of the ideas of the Terminator franchise, which is why I consider it out of continuity. It's a mindless action movie. Not a bad one, to be sure, but with none of the soul of the first two installments.

Sigh. I've said it in every T3 discussion since the film itself, but it bears repeating again. The T-850 lied, and would not know if there was 'destiny' or not. Certainly, at the point it arrived, Judgement Day was inevitable. That's not predestination, it's simply turning up too late.

Coincidentally, there is shitfuckall about changing the future in The Terminator. Aside from Skynet thinking it's possible to do so.

What's more, the series undermines T2 at least as much as T3, in that destroying Skynet in T2 once more achieved nothing (it was in fact counterproductive; in the T1 timeline, Skynet's destruction and the survival of humanity was assured, it's not in SCC) given that Skynet still exists. If you're going to be a purist, by all means, be so, but the series is no more true to the original movies than T3.

[Imperial Overlord]

I consider the most interesting part of T-3 to be the existence of the T-X. It's designed to terminate other robots, which means in the T-3 timeline the resistance must be using reprogrammed machines in sufficient quantity to justify the design and construction of such a specialized model.

[Faqa]

Ahem...

Yes, which is exactly one line. We have no idea if it's actually a reference to T3 or not. Also, given Skynet's clearly differing origins, one can safely say that Cyberdyne's 'off-site backups' don't exist in T:SCC, thus seperating it firmly from T3.

Sigh. I've said it in every T3 discussion since the film itself, but it bears repeating again. The T-850 lied, and would not know if there was 'destiny' or not. Certainly, at the point it arrived, Judgement Day was inevitable. That's not predestination, it's simply turning up too late.

Then why send it too late? Why not send it early enough to make a difference?

Because, obviously, 'Judgement Day is inevitable'....

Although, frankly, there's probably a way to fanwank that the T-850 was TOTALLY saying something completely different, but come on. The simplest solution is that it meant exactly what it said. Besides, the movie treated it as a throwaway line to justify a mindless action plot, so I don't see why I should treat it more charitably.

Coincidentally, there is shitfuckall about changing the future in The Terminator. Aside from Skynet thinking it's possible to do so.

I see your point(though T1 was originally supposed to have a scene where Kyle and Sarah destroy Cyberdyne). It's mainly T2 that sets this ethos in canon.

What's more, the series undermines T2 at least as much as T3, in that destroying Skynet in T2 once more achieved nothing (it was in fact counterproductive; in the T1 timeline, Skynet's destruction and the survival of humanity was assured, it's not in SCC) given that Skynet still exists. If you're going to be a purist, by all means, be so, but the series is no more true to the original movies than T3.

It doesn't undermine T2 so much as it lessens it's impact - the main idea IS preserved. As John himself put it: "You DID change the future - you just didn't change it ENOUGH.".

We actually don't know how powerful Skynet is 'these days'. What we DO know is that the future is mutable, changing, and both sides are playing that for all it's worth.

I'm not a purist, really - it's just that this series 'feels' like the Terminator franchise in a way that T3 did not.

[NecronLord]

Yes, which is exactly one line. We have no idea if it's actually a reference to T3 or not. Also, given Skynet's clearly differing origins, one can safely say that Cyberdyne's 'off-site backups' don't exist in T:SCC, thus seperating it firmly from T3.

Or one of those fucking oodles of 'hunting parties' the Resistance seems to have sent back in time in SCC got it...

Then why send it too late? Why not send it early enough to make a difference?

Because the mission was to protect Connor and Brewster from the TX, not to destroy Skynet. The terminator outright refuses to countenance such an attack until Brewster orders it to, and then it knowingly sends them to Crystal Peak despite that not being what they think.

It doesn't undermine T2 so much as it lessens it's impact - the main idea IS preserved. As John himself put it: "You DID change the future - you just didn't change it ENOUGH.".

We actually don't know how powerful Skynet is 'these days'. What we DO know is that the future is mutable, changing, and both sides are playing that for all it's worth.

It's not dead. In the original movies it was dead. Dead as a doornail. There was one time device, and they pried it out of Skynet's cold dead mechanical fingers in order to send Kyle and the Terminator back.

I'm not a purist, really - it's just that this series 'feels' like the Terminator franchise in a way that T3 did not.

Personally, I disagree. While I like this series, and it's far better than I expected, it 'feels' no more like the original films than T3, by my reckoning.

[Shroom Man 777]

It didn't burn out, it short-circuited iirc. AFAIK that does not cause a chip to shrink and notice that there were no break lines. It seemed rather smooth.

Seriously? I thought the chip actually broke. It wasn't really square anymore... like, a part of it got cut off diagonally.

[FireNexus]

I give even odds that isn't a skynet terminator. The future lady comes back to talk about how much metal John is using in the same episode as a termie tries to kill the doc that helps develop skynet. Not a coinky-dink, I reckon.

[Shroom Man 777]

The Terminator killed the Doctor's receptionist and intended to replace her. Why would it need to do that if all it had to do was walk into the Doctor's office, or his house, and turn him into a pretzel? Replacing the receptionist means that the Terminator intended to... receptionize. Meaning that it meant to work there, at the receptionist's receptionary. Meaning that, unless it was planning to kill the Doctor sometime later maybe perhaps after a while, it intended to stay there for some time. Why? To protect him.

And maybe Triple 8s do come in an insanely wide variety of shapes, forms, sizes, colors, masses, sights, sounds, smells, lengths, widths, heights, weights, dimensions, densities and volumes. You don't see Derek or Cameron commenting on Pretzel being different (xcept for her chip), or of an heretofore unknown model.

[NecronLord]

And maybe Triple 8s do come in an insanely wide variety of shapes, forms, sizes, colors, masses, sights, sounds, smells, lengths, widths, heights, weights, dimensions, densities and volumes. You don't see Derek or Cameron commenting on Pretzel being different (xcept for her chip), or of an heretofore unknown model.

...

You're not letting this go are you?

[Shroom Man 777]

Well, if Pretzel was some new model, then there would be some mention of it. To excite viewers, or something. Rather than making us go "meh, just another Triple 8 of the week" or something. If it was a new model, they'd be tooting it instead of saying nothing and acting like it's all normal, except for the exploding microchip.

But whatever. If she does turn out to be a new model, no biggie.


Oh, and I like this show better than T3 since it follows T1 and T2 more closely. While it is certainly different, I like the fact that it has actual substance rather than whiz-bang explosions homosexual male strippers hand-talking like T3. In that way, in having actual food-for-thought and actual awesome acting, T:SCC does T1 and T2 justice.

[NecronLord]

Well, if Pretzel was some new model, then there would be some mention of it

Just like we've been given chapter and verse on what model Cameron is? Oh, wait.

[Shroom Man 777]

They took the effort to have John wonder what kind of model Cam is, and to have Vick identify her as an unknown cyborg, and to have her microchip... cranium hole have blue glowy lights (when John took her brain out and plugged her into a traffic light).

But then again, Cameron is a lying bitch and she might have withheld the fact that Pretzel was a new kind of model.

[Thanas]

They took the effort to have John wonder what kind of model Cam is, and to have Vick identify her as an unknown cyborg, and to have her microchip... cranium hole have blue glowy lights (when John took her brain out and plugged her into a traffic light).

But then again, Cameron is a lying bitch and she might have withheld the fact that Pretzel was a new kind of model.

Let it go man - there is no evidence that she was a T-888.

[Sarevok]

It's been over a week since this episode has not it ? When will the next episode be finally shown ?

[Thanas]

Next monday, usual time. T:SCC is getting pulled for a week due to the world series and the elections.

[Shroom Man 777]

Monday? Are you sure? I heard it was going to be shown at Wednesday...

Or am I confusing showing times for T:SCC with the day my school resumes...

[Thanas]

Monday? Are you sure? I heard it was going to be shown at Wednesday...

Or am I confusing showing times for T:SCC with the day my school resumes...

No, it is definitely Monday, November 3rd.