Tytania

[montypython]

If in case this hasn't been mentioned before, there's a new anime space opera series based on novels written by the creator Legend of the Galactic Heroes titled 'Tytania', which deals with an Empire born from a human interstellar federation intent on conquering the known worlds and is at war with several human factions. Although a fan of space opera, I haven't heard about this one before so I don't know how good this one will turn out.

http://www.tytania.jp/

[Dendrobius]

Problem with this series is that the novels from which it's based has pretty much been abandoned by the author, so Artland (the studio) is going to have to either create their own ending, or leave it hanging like Twelve Kingdoms, which would suck.

By abandoned, I mean "3 volumes so far, released between 1988 and 1991"...

Considering the same author did Legend of the Galactic Heroes, I wouldn't be surprised if he just got sick of it all and decided to try something else. (LoGH came first, the novels got published between 1982~1987)

[Ryushikaze]

My friend was telling me about this, and the scale of their militaries seems completely overkill for the size of their populations.

Sounds and looks interesting, though.

[Darth Raptor]

My friend was telling me about this, and the scale of their militaries seems completely overkill for the size of their populations.

Sounds and looks interesting, though.

LotGH was like that too. Huge swarms of warships blotting out the sky, and I think both sides combined had a population of like, thirty billion.

[Darth Raptor]

So, having seen the first two episodes, I can say the resemblance to Galactic Heroes is readily apparent. Not that it's a bad thing, mind you. The space battles are sufficiently awesome and, once again, capital ship-centric, which is one of the things I loved about Galactic Heroes.

[K. A. Pital]

Overkill? A 600 ship fleet would have a 100,000 man contingent, based on the "losses" statement in E2. That's not exactly overkill at all. That's well on par with earth navies even.

As for LOGH, this series has newer graphics and chins are moving when people speak. The animated characters are pretty damn articulate and the animators seemed to go for a very high-quality, almost eye-candy animation. This is 2008 after all. And an important part of a space opera are amazing visuals - else the viewer would be, uh, underwhelmed.

[Saxtonite]

Although a fan of space opera, I haven't heard about this one before so I don't know how good this one will turn out.

I watched the first 2 eps in the time of the past week. It is FUCKING BADASS. The OP, Ending, story is pure win.

LotGH was like that too. Huge swarms of warships blotting out the sky, and I think both sides combined had a population of like, thirty billion.

not really. At max before the invasion of the Empire in season 1 the Free Planets Star Fleet had a size of 30 million people which seems good given it had 15 bill or so (IIRC that was more than 100,000 cap ships in total)s. When the Empire invaded the FPA later on IIRC their fleet troops numbered 20 million or so out again of a pop about 15 bil (IIRC that had 200,000 ships in total).

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[Saxtonite]

EDIT: when I said "In the time of the past week" I meant from today to last saturday. I watched the first ep Saturday and the second ep tonight ~15 mins before this post. I was probably going to make this thread if I didn't see it (I didn't see it earlier this week or I didn't look hard enough)

As for LOGH, this series has newer graphics and chins are moving when people speak.

odd. I keep hearing from other people constantly complaining about "nobody moving" and the faces only moving or something like it. I never noticed it. Also thank you for your info re. the Soviet Union and slacking. And I see your avatar choice too now

So, having seen the first two episodes, I can say the resemblance to Galactic Heroes is readily apparent.

yes. Though apparently they do battle at a closer distances than in Legend of Galactic Heroes based off the first ep.

Not that it's a bad thing, mind you. The space battles are sufficiently awesome

oh yes they are. Of note is apparently the ships are strong enough not to be destroyed by crashing into each other at speeds and angles that would destroy ships in Legend of the Galactic Heroes as shown in many places. I was surprised at that.

One thing of interest was the similar scenes when the Tytania clan talked about how their ancestors "purged" rebels. The brown background showing the rebels being crushed, etc were similar to the style used in Legend of the Galactic Heroes. (I felt sad at that, especially the scene of the mother and her child surrounded by police in Tytania, to a lesser extent in the eps on LOGH detailing that). I though that was something nice and interesting. The 'pace' seems to be faster than LOGH that personally, I'd like that because some parts of LOGH were extremely slow.

[K. A. Pital]

I keep hearing from other people constantly complaining about "nobody moving" and the faces only moving or something like it.

WTF. Did they even see what older anime looks like? In LOGH, Macross, Lodoss and other "oldtimers" chins of characters rarely move when they speak... which is, uh... extremely unnatural. In Tytania, they move quite well.

[Darth Raptor]

One thing of interest was the similar scenes when the Tytania clan talked about how their ancestors "purged" rebels. The brown background showing the rebels being crushed, etc were similar to the style used in Legend of the Galactic Heroes. (I felt sad at that, especially the scene of the mother and her child surrounded by police in Tytania, to a lesser extent in the eps on LOGH detailing that). I though that was something nice and interesting. The 'pace' seems to be faster than LOGH that personally, I'd like that because some parts of LOGH were extremely slow.

Hopefully they've mastered the art of "show, don't tell" in their exposition and we won't get massive, episode-spanning infodumps courtesy of the Future History Channel. "Do I get college credit for this?"

[K. A. Pital]

Well, at least the narrator here is far more awesome than in LOGH. Still a little cringeworthy, but I kinda liked her menacing voice when she said "Uraniborg blah blah blah"

[Ford Prefect]

My only problem at this point (finished episode 2) is that because everyone is being so polite and anachronistic, only Fan Hulic is particularly interesting as a character. The interpersonal conflict of the Tytanians is potentially quite exciting, but not enough of their personalities come through.

[Saxtonite]

WTF. Did they even see what older anime looks like?

I think so, I kept hearing it in a popular site's anime board and the criticisms tended to come from some of the hardcore Legend of the Galactic Heroes fans and whatnot (some of the people also said it was a rip-off in their same posts)....

In LOGH, Macross, Lodoss and other "oldtimers" chins of characters rarely move when they speak... which is, uh... extremely unnatural. In Tytania, they move quite well.

Personally I never paid attention to those gestures and the like or noticed it. Was busy often paying attention to the dialogue and more blatant gestures and whatnot. And enjoying the fleets blowing each other up sometimes in fine detail.

Hopefully they've mastered the art of "show, don't tell" in their exposition and we won't get massive, episode-spanning infodumps courtesy of the Future History Channel. "Do I get college credit for this?"

I actually enjoyed those episodes giving details on future human history. It was more direct and gave info that can b enjoyable to those who like it. So you didn't like it then. For me, the only problem was the computers and the big ass floppy disks. What no flash drives or something similar (yes I know it was in the late 80s and early flash drives weren't in use until the late 90s or so..)

My only problem at this point (finished episode 2) is that because everyone is being so polite and anachronistic, only Fan Hulic is particularly interesting as a character.

I believe that was part of their point, how "civilized" and "noble" and whatnot those Nobles were and their acting and behavior

The interpersonal conflict of the Tytanians is potentially quite exciting, but not enough of their personalities come through.

yes. holy shit the manipulative social games.

[K. A. Pital]

My only problem at this point (finished episode 2) is that because everyone is being so polite and anachronistic, only Fan Hulic is particularly interesting as a character.

What? Hulic is a total asshole. He managed to annoy me a lot. He just doesn't fit into Tytania's grand scheme, and his scenes do provide comic relief from an otherwise serious story, but that's his only redeeming quality.

He has no motivation, just harem fantasies, booze and money. He's kinda like Han Solo, but at least Han Solo was still a serious character when he was joking - you knew that the next thing after Han smiles, you could be fried right in front of Han, like Greedo was

I find most of the Tytanias, save the bloke who rants about "military prowess", far more awesome Yeah, and polite and anachronistic is awesome because that means style. Fan Hulic has luck (not that he has any real skills, which is sad), but Tytania has style, nobleness, theatrical shit.

[Darth Raptor]

But buggered if I can keep track of their names. Fortunately, they're like the Power Rangers, each wearing a different color. The Red Tytania is clearly Reinhard II, while the Green Tytania is cute. Beyond that, no. They haven't been all that interesting yet.

[Darth Raptor]

So in this episode we meet the black sheep of one of the five families, and Fan falls in oh-so-predictably with La Resistance. Pretty ho-hum overall, but it was interesting to see some actual (non-intelligent) alien life for once. Hopefully we'll get back to the *pew pew* next week.

[K. A. Pital]

Yeah, nice episode, and the political introduction has been mostly done I think.

The Red Tytania is trying to emulate Darth Vader, White Tytania spews Leto II-like speeches . Green Tytania once again proves himself to be a vengeful, sadistic and short-sighted asshole.

[Adrian Laguna]

At max before the invasion of the Empire in season 1 the Free Planets Star Fleet had a size of 30 million people which seems good given it had 15 bill or so (IIRC that was more than 100,000 cap ships in total)s.

Eight fleets and a total mobilization of 30.2 million men*. I think each FPA fleet is 25,000 ships, so nominally the invasion consists of 200,000 ships. The number of people seems woefully small, they are averaging a crew of 151 men per ship, which seems inadequate considering the size of the things, and that's assuming they're not counting occupation forces. If their population if 15 billion, 30 million men accounts for 0.2% of it. For comparison, 0.2% of the US population as of 2000 is 562,000 men, or only 24,000 more men than the US Army alone has at this time. Also, The video suggests the Empire's population is at least 25 billion.

*Incidentally, the video has the most true to life case of strategic weaselling I've ever seen in fiction. Rumsfield could have totally been a character based on Commodore Fork.

[Adrian Laguna]

At max before the invasion of the Empire in season 1 the Free Planets Star Fleet had a size of 30 million people which seems good given it had 15 bill or so (IIRC that was more than 100,000 cap ships in total)s.

Eight fleets and a total mobilization of 30.2 million men*. I think each FPA fleet is 25,000 ships, so nominally the invasion consists of 200,000 ships. The number of people seems woefully small, they are averaging a crew of 151 men per ship, which seems inadequate considering the size of the things, and that's assuming they're not counting occupation forces. If their population if 15 billion, 30 million men accounts for 0.2% of it. For comparison, 0.2% of the US population as of 2000 is 562,000 men, or only 24,000 more men than the US Army alone has at this time.

*Incidentally, the video has the most true to life case of strategic weaselling I've ever seen in fiction. Rumsfield could have totally been a character based on Commodore Fork.

[K. A. Pital]

The number of people seems woefully small, they are averaging a crew of 151 men per ship, which seems inadequate considering the size of the things

High automation, perhaps? In Tytania, there's ~166 per ship on the average in the fleet that got blown up in Ep 1, which also seems inadequate.

[Darth Raptor]

It's a damn good thing the crews are lean, because those ships die in droves.

[Vendetta]

The number of people seems woefully small, they are averaging a crew of 151 men per ship, which seems inadequate considering the size of the things

High automation, perhaps? In Tytania, there's ~166 per ship on the average in the fleet that got blown up in Ep 1, which also seems inadequate.

Very likely. The Eurian command ship that was the bait in the trap in the first episode was mentioned to be fully automated, so the technology certainly exists.

[Saxtonite]

Eight fleets and a total mobilization of 30.2 million men*.

thank you.

I think each FPA fleet is 25,000 ships, so nominally the invasion consists of 200,000 ships.

that's the Average I believe and a good base yes. I thought the invasion fleet had 100,000 ships. I remember a LOGH ep saying that.

I also am reminded of that quote in the beginning of an ep dealing with the second Imperial Invasion and actual destruction of the Free Planets Alliance. They said "100,000,000 troops and 1,000,000 ships" or something similar. Apparently the Empire CAN mobilize that much

The number of people seems woefully small, they are averaging a crew of 151 men per ship, which seems inadequate considering the size of the things, and that's assuming they're not counting occupation forces.

that's the average. Some of the larger ships have a larger crew and whatnot and the smaller ones probably have a very small crew.

*Incidentally, the video has the most true to life case of strategic weaselling I've ever seen in fiction. Rumsfield could have totally been a character based on Commodore Fork.

Hm. Part of that vid reminds me of that ep where the sick admiral was egged on by his subordinates who were nobles into battle-where they get pwned by Mittermeyer and retreat (the one around the Minefield during the Imperial Civil war between the Lippstadt Alliance and Lohengram/Lichtenlade)

EDIT : also says the Empire has 25 billion citizens. The pop stays steady through the years. IIRC during the formation of the Empire it had a similar pop. I wonder how the FPA's pop grew so fast though.

EDIT 2: yeah the last part where he talks about 'liberation' does does remind me of Rumsfeld and whatnot. Reminds me of other things said about "they will greet us as liberators" in other wars too.

[Saxtonite]

something else. does anyone else like the ending a LOT?

the symbolism with the Yggdrasil Tree and the starmap background with ground Forts/castles used in the map. Some of this reminds me of Outlaw Star. And the ending song.

[Darth Raptor]

Well, I certainly didn't see that coming. It's to Fan's credit that he didn't uncritically join the Casabiancan revanchists any more readily than he joined up with Tytania. I actually felt sorry for the guy getting Shanghaied everywhere he goes.