Ethnic Minorities as Elected Heads of State

[ray245]

I did not say that if you share the same skin colour, there will be no issue. There will be issue being raised, but compare it to people who have a different skin colour. Who will raise more eyebrows?

And Zod, I said that people won't make a big deal over it. Emphasis on the word 'big' . When you use the word big, you have to compare it to another thing.

Are you being deliberately retarded today or are you willfully ignoring the sheer amount of hatred throughout history and even modern times between the groups I mentioned earlier?

Again, compare Jews to black. If I remember my history correctly, it is more acceptable for you to view black as sub-humans as compared to Jews.

[fgalkin]

Congratulations, history is another area of knowledge you're completely ignorant about.

Is there ANYTHING that you're not a total failure in? Anything at all?

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[That NOS Guy]

Again, compare Jews to black. If I remember my history correctly, it is more acceptable for you to view black as sub-humans as compared to Jews.

Inaccurate. Back when segregation was in force the ads for housing lumped Blacks and Jews together in the "need not apply" section.

[General Zod]

Again, compare Jews to black. If I remember my history correctly, it is more acceptable for you to view black as sub-humans as compared to Jews.

You completely skipped over WW2 history didn't you? There's so much wrong with this sentence I don't even know where to start.

[ray245]

Again, compare Jews to black. If I remember my history correctly, it is more acceptable for you to view black as sub-humans as compared to Jews.

You completely skipped over WW2 history didn't you? There's so much wrong with this sentence I don't even know where to start.

Alright, I admit I was wrong in regards to using history as an example.

What about modern day? I mean, who has generated a bigger impact based on his race? Lieberman made a much smaller impact based on his race as compared to Obama.

[Samuel]

Again, compare Jews to black. If I remember my history correctly, it is more acceptable for you to view black as sub-humans as compared to Jews.

You completely skipped over WW2 history didn't you? There's so much wrong with this sentence I don't even know where to start.

Alright, I admit I was wrong in regards to using history as an example.

What about modern day? I mean, who has generated a bigger impact based on his race? Lieberman made a much smaller impact based on his race as compared to Obama.

According to opinion polls, the two most reviled groups in the US are gays and atheists, neither of which can be determined from appearence.

[General Zod]

According to opinion polls, the two most reviled groups in the US are gays and atheists, neither of which can be determined from appearence.

However, neither one is an ethnic group.

[ray245]

According to opinion polls, the two most reviled groups in the US are gays and atheists, neither of which can be determined from appearence.

Alright then, I admit I was wrong on this entire issue.

Which make me wonder, how long does it take for the world to elect a homosexual president?

[fgalkin]

According to opinion polls, the two most reviled groups in the US are gays and atheists, neither of which can be determined from appearence.

Alright then, I admit I was wrong on this entire issue.

Which make me wonder, how long does it take for the world to elect a homosexual president?

There has been speculation about James Buchanan's sexuality, and there is a high likelyhood of him being gay.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Darth Wong]

I can't help but wonder what kind of turmoil would result if America actually elected an openly homosexual president. How would the fundies react?

[Broomstick]

I think part of the importance of Obama's election is that he's not just coming from a minority but a minority that has been trashed for generations by this country and less than a century and a half ago were actually slaves and only given equal rights about 50 years ago. I don't think that's the same as just a simple minority in a country or coming from an underrepresented portion of society.

EDIT: I think a modern equivalent would be if the French elected a North African muslim as their Prime Minister.

Or perhaps if India elected someone from the Untouchables as Prime Minister.

[Tanasinn]

Mass suicide, one hopes.

[Tanasinn]

That last post was directed at Darth Wong's post. (And was sarcastic, of course.)

[Broomstick]

I can't help but wonder what kind of turmoil would result if America actually elected an openly homosexual president. How would the fundies react?

Their heads explode?

That would take care of the Fundy problem, but it would leave an awful mess to clean up...

[Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba]

Not as bad as Bush's mess.

Zing!

[Patrick Ogaard]

Benjamin Disraeli, while Anglican, was born to Jewish parents, and managed to become British PM twice, so that might qualify him. Austria's former chancellor Bruno Kreisky was also ethnically Jewish, and Fred Sinowatz, another former chancellor of Austria, was from Austria's Croatian minority. Not exactly representatives of visible minorities, but minorities nonetheless.

[Ekiqa]

I can't help but wonder what kind of turmoil would result if America actually elected an openly homosexual president. How would the fundies react?

Would the fundies still exist as a coherent political entity by the time an openly gay president is elected? It took nearly 150 years from the end of slavery till Obama, and in some states, homosexual acts are still illegal.

[Lonestar]

I can't help but wonder what kind of turmoil would result if America actually elected an openly homosexual president. How would the fundies react?

But presumably people were too busy hating him for being pro-slavery and allowing the country to fall apart around him.

[fgalkin]

See above

Also, he was never actually open about it. Yeah, people called him "Aunt Fancy" but that doesn't mean nuthin!

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Havok]

Would JFK count? Irish Catholic elected in a WASP nation.

I think that might be getting a little too nitpicky.

One thing I think that might be being overlooked about this situation, is the age of our country and just how little time has actually passed from slave race of a country to President of that country. Has there been any country, empire etc. ever, that has had this short of a turn around time or made this type of progress?

[Havok]

GE: Damnit... sorry missed all of page 2.

[Broomstick]

Would JFK count? Irish Catholic elected in a WASP nation.

I think that might be getting a little too nitpicky.

One thing I think that might be being overlooked about this situation, is the age of our country and just how little time has actually passed from slave race of a country to President of that country. Has there been any country, empire etc. ever, that has had this short of a turn around time or made this type of progress?

Ancient Rome.

One of the Ceasers was the grandson or great grandson of slaves. On the other hand, Rome hadn't abolished slavery, and slavery in Ancient Rome wasn't race-based.

[Masami von Weizegger]

I think that might be getting a little too nitpicky.

One thing I think that might be being overlooked about this situation, is the age of our country and just how little time has actually passed from slave race of a country to President of that country. Has there been any country, empire etc. ever, that has had this short of a turn around time or made this type of progress?

Not really. Rome still had the slaves, of course, and it wasn't really a racial thing.

But then we can claim that nations that have been around even less are way more awesome because they never had a slave race (Go Montenegro!). Then there are nations that just don't have a significant minority population for whatever reason (too small, not appealing to immigrants, etc).

That said, it's a huge deal and it should be commended. It's certainly some form of victory against racial discrimination even if some people could nitpick it all day and night.

[Coyote]

I can't help but wonder what kind of turmoil would result if America actually elected an openly homosexual president. How would the fundies react?

I suspect if it ever got to the point where we did, in fact, elect an openly gay President, that would mean that Fundamentalism probably became unpopular and died out as a social movement years prior...

So I'll hold out hope... but I won't hold my breath...

[Coyote]

Would JFK count? Irish Catholic elected in a WASP nation.

I think that might be getting a little too nitpicky.

I don't know, it was a real issue at the time. Many Christians don't consider Catholics to be true Christians; and many were concerned that JFK would hold more allegiance to the Pope, and follow the Vatican's orders, than hold true to the Constitution.