Skynet awakens on Imperial earth

[Ford Prefect]

That said, given the links between certain parts of the Imperium and a certain C'Tan (if not 2), it may be that the Iron Men are connected to the Necrons (perhaps based on them).

The Deciever's infilitration of the Adeptus Mechanicus is likely only fairly recent, and as I recall the Void Dragon has never woken up since Vaul kicked him in the nads.

[NecronLord]

The Deciever's infilitration of the Adeptus Mechanicus is likely only fairly recent, and as I recall the Void Dragon has never woken up since Vaul kicked him in the nads.

Vaul's objective was to destroy the Void Dragon. Given that we know Vaul Talismen are at least vaguely a concern to the C'tan, and thus a threat, it is logical to assume Vaul was defeated in that battle, or never managed to engage the Void Dragon at all.

As for the influence of the Void Dragon; the Horus Heresy artbook contains a mechanicum story where they talk about the 'true machine god' influencing the people of Mars with his 'silver dreams' which may suggest that some degree of unconcious influence was being observed. Given that the C'tan certainly interfered with human development (pariah gene) at some point, it's possible the Void Dragon set up something to ensure human technological development (and thus spread across the galaxy) on Mars.

[Ford Prefect]

You're the expert, so I'll defer to you, but I thought the prevailing notion was that the Talismans simply did not work as well as Vaul had hoped. It is almost totally certain that Vaul died in combat with the Void Dragon. I don't think there's much to go on, given that all the sources are basically Eldar legends, and the story of Vaul and the Dragon doesn't even finish. My only actual 'source' for the Void Dragon being dormant is an Eldar poem.

[NecronLord]

You're the expert, so I'll defer to you, but I thought the prevailing notion was that the Talismans simply did not work as well as Vaul had hoped.

That would qualify as a C'tan victory, rather than the dragon getting kicked in the 'nads, no?

It is almost totally certain that Vaul died in combat with the Void Dragon.

Highly unlikely. As far as we know, he died at the hands of Slanessh like the others.

I don't think there's much to go on, given that all the sources are basically Eldar legends, and the story of Vaul and the Dragon doesn't even finish. My only actual 'source' for the Void Dragon being dormant is an Eldar poem.

Indeed.

[Khaat]

To be honest what would happen would depend on what faction got their hands on the time machine. Most of the really high ups probably realise they benefit from the staus quo and would burry it, but if some lower ranking zelots got it I think there would be a few assasination attempts on Horus.

Ha! the primarchs were scattered by time-jumping agents of the Imperium in efforts to prevent Horus from becoming the warmaster!
"which one is he, master?"
"i do not have that information. best that we take them all to be sure."

[Ford Prefect]

You're the expert, so I'll defer to you, but I thought the prevailing notion was that the Talismans simply did not work as well as Vaul had hoped.

That would qualify as a C'tan victory, rather than the dragon getting kicked in the 'nads, no?

If he's been unconscious for a binillion years and not of his own violition, I wouldn't call it a C'tan 'victory'. I mean 'kicked in the gonads' doesn't mean dead, you fool.

[His Divine Shadow]

Skynet has the ability of thinking logically and being able to develop quite impressive technologies, while the humans of this age mostly get by on rituals and superstition. Maybe it could download into the T-1000 and make its escape?

[white_rabbit]

How is the T-1000 going to help it escape ?

At best it "escapes" into the bowels of terra, to plot and so forth, which might make for an interesting fic mind, but its pretty damn unnatural to mere baseline doggies, never mind some augmented cyber-hound.

TINY cells that can provide awesome power would be a boon for Imperial tech.

They can build a grenade with a 50m blast radius, and rayguns are the basic weapon of trillions of soldiers...... Skynets power generation capabilities aren't exactly impressive compared to 40k.

You are right- the Emperor is going to take a dim view on a machine who previously attempted to exterminate humanity. Can anyone say purge? There is no way anyone would work with such a create- aside from the Imperium's enemies and it isn't exactly possible to get SkyNet off Terra.

i wouldn't go that far, the Inquistion and the Ad-mech are full of crazed arseholes willing to wildly experiment with hostile alien technology to the detriment of others, or even incorporate it into their own bodies.

[His Divine Shadow]

The idea would be for skynet to download into the T-1000 that is, abandon it's fortress and leave everything behind. It clearly wants to leave earth and go somewhere more backwater where it can plot in peace for a cople of centuries or millenia.

There are alot of unknowns, hence it was a maybe. It would depend on it being atleast halfway possible get off planet via some freighter or something, pretending to be some average joe and hoping not to get caught (depends on if they scan everyone in detail or if there are alot of dogs about). If hiding as a human does not work maybe it could just seep along like a fluid in the gutter/sewers into the nearest freighter and hide in some nooks and crannies.

[Dark Hellion]

Dude, he is on Terra. They scan Space Marines multiple times before they get anywhere important. You think skynet can actually just sneak onto one of the ships coming out of Terra? This isn't about unknowns, this just isn't going to happen, not on a planet of paranoid security and fanatically loyal servants of the Emperor.

[Samuel]

Dude, he is on Terra. They scan Space Marines multiple times before they get anywhere important. You think skynet can actually just sneak onto one of the ships coming out of Terra? This isn't about unknowns, this just isn't going to happen, not on a planet of paranoid security and fanatically loyal servants of the Emperor.

Didn't they have a choas cult pop up on Terra (post Horus Heresy of course)? Besides, it is attempting to leave- or is security fanatical both ways?

[His Divine Shadow]

Dude, he is on Terra. They scan Space Marines multiple times before they get anywhere important. You think skynet can actually just sneak onto one of the ships coming out of Terra? This isn't about unknowns, this just isn't going to happen, not on a planet of paranoid security and fanatically loyal servants of the Emperor.

There are lots of unknowns that I can see, unless you are holding out in terms of sources. I've not seen any evidence that can reliably indicate what sort of surveilance skynet would encounter in trying to leave the surface. Assuming it's anything like other hive worlds there should be assloads of unimportant people shuffling plain old boring cargo from and to the surface all the time, can they check the cargo on every last ship incase the T-1000 slithers into a crate of bananas, or do they scan evey ship incase skynet would hide in some part of the ship thats not accessible to humans?

[Samuel]

Dude, he is on Terra. They scan Space Marines multiple times before they get anywhere important. You think skynet can actually just sneak onto one of the ships coming out of Terra? This isn't about unknowns, this just isn't going to happen, not on a planet of paranoid security and fanatically loyal servants of the Emperor.

There are lots of unknowns that I can see, unless you are holding out in terms of sources. I've not seen any evidence that can reliably indicate what sort of surveilance skynet would encounter in trying to leave the surface. Assuming it's anything like other hive worlds there should be assloads of unimportant people shuffling plain old boring cargo from and to the surface all the time, can they check the cargo on every last ship incase the T-1000 slithers into a crate of bananas, or do they scan evey ship incase skynet would hide in some part of the ship thats not accessible to humans?

Given that one of the fell powers rules over disease, they probably check EVERYTHING. If Choas could slip something in, they would. Of course, the Deciever managed to slip through somehow... but he is a god, so special case.

[NecronLord]

Of course, the Deciever managed to slip through somehow... but he is a god, so special case.

He pretty much mocks the idea that the 'childish toys' the Mechanicus use for sensors could detect him in Deus Ex Mechanicus.

[His Divine Shadow]

Given that one of the fell powers rules over disease, they probably check EVERYTHING. If Choas could slip something in, they would. Of course, the Deciever managed to slip through somehow... but he is a god, so special case.

Can they actually scan an entire ships and do they detect biohazards and technologies both, or do they have teams walking around the cargo with detectors for all ships? Are they as hard on security on what goes out as what goes in?