FOX royally screws over T:SCC and Dollhouse

[Darth Hoth]

I must say I am surprised at how well SCC apparently did; when Swedish TV did air it, I consistently found it to be rather uninteresting. Little character development, or plot overall; the first episode was good, but then it went downhill.

[Starglider]

Little character development, or plot overall; the first episode was good, but then it went downhill.

I agree that the first season was a bit bland, but I think it has been improving in the second season.

As mentioned above online viewing, DVD rentals/sales and fucking Tivo .... why are they still hung up on last century's outdated ratings?

Online and time-shifted ratings only count if the advertisers buy them. Maybe the advertisers are too stupid to do so (then again, maybe they correctly assume that most PVR users skip the ads).

Ignoring DVD revenues is just stupidity, but corporate accounting structures may be set up so that shows can't 'own the revenue' for DVD sales the way they can for associated advertising and air rights sales.

[Tsyroc]

Online and time-shifted ratings only count if the advertisers buy them. Maybe the advertisers are too stupid to do so (then again, maybe they correctly assume that most PVR users skip the ads).

Ignoring DVD revenues is just stupidity, but corporate accounting structures may be set up so that shows can't 'own the revenue' for DVD sales the way they can for associated advertising and air rights sales.

If the show is streamed from a site owned by the network it's usually got advertisers sponsoring it. Even so that still might not count in a way that impacts what the broadcast part of the network decides. I'm guessing that stuff sold on iTunes probably works the same way since a lot of shows air on networks that may not be the actual creators of the show. That was the case with Chuck last year. NBC was boycotting iTunes but Chuck was on there because was actually produced somewhere else.

Incidentally, last year I watched 5 shows exclusively through iTunes. So far only two have come back (T:SCC & Chuck) but supposedly one more (Reaper) is going to return mid season. One of the shows (New Amsterdam) that I watched which was cancelled kind of gave me the impression that it was dumped on iTunes to sort of make some money. The other (Moonlight) j was kind of mediocre and had bad broadcast ratings and must have cost enough that the spare change they were making off of iTunes wasn't going to help keep it around.

I watched a couple of of shows through networks sites along with ads. I wasn't able to skip the ads but in some cases I could choose the least annoying of the repeating ads.

[Thanas]

Friday night has always been the death slot of american television

The X-Files disproves you. It was best on friday nights, before it moved to Sundays.

Ah yes, the patented "there is one exception, so therefore the rule obviously must be wrong" argument.

As for Dark Angel getting moved to Friday nights, the first season kind of blew anyway and the beginning of the second season wasn't much better. All the way the fuck out there genetic soldiers didn't help either. It was pushing the suspension of disbelief way too far for me, especially the hive mind crew. By the time the second season got away from that an interesting again with the additional conspiracy and the ties to the Minoan snake cult it was already on it's way out. In my opinion for the most part that show went down hill from the pilot and only was mostly hanging on because of the cast/characters and the interesting setting.

We can certainly agree on the plot and general quality of Season 2, but iirc alot of that stuff was added because due to budget reasons (aka wirework) and because they thought it would appeal to the audience, like Alec and the virus story. I am no expert on DA, so please correct me if I am wrong.

Yeah, Dark Angel had a cool and somehow believable setting, but lousy scripts and stupid things like the dogman and way too much mutants in the second season screwed the show over.

Actually,the scripts on their own contain a lot of good ideas, the execution is just shitty as hell IMO in the second season, where they moved away from the main cast to secondary characters like the mutant of the week. Nevermind that atrocious finale of Season 2, which just sucked all around.

Heh. The new dollhouse trailer has a DA reference in 0:10-12. Notice the look?

[Thanas]

Link to new Dollhouse promo, which I forgot to add to my previous post.

[charlemagne]

Heh. The new dollhouse trailer has a DA reference in 0:10-12. Notice the look?

Ha, true, that short scene looks like taken directly out of DA.

Which reminds me, the gorgeous Jessica Alba of course had a lot do with me kinda having a soft spot for the show