End of an Era
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End of an Era
Byrd gives up Appropriations chairmanship
Hawaii's Inouye to head important Senate committee
CHARLESTON, W.Va. -- U.S. Sen. Robert C. Byrd, D-W.Va., announced Friday that on Jan. 6, he will step down as chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee - a position that allowed him to steer billions of federal dollars to West Virginia.
First elected to the Senate in 1958, Byrd is the longest-serving senator in American history. He chaired the powerful Appropriations Committee for 10 years and was Senate majority leader for 12 years.
In a news release, Byrd, who will be 91 on Nov. 20, said he decided to step down "only after much personal soul-searching, and after being sure of the substantial Democratic pickup of seats in the Senate.
"I am now confident that stepping aside as chairman will not adversely impact my home state of West Virginia," he said.
Sen. Daniel Inouye, D-Hawaii, 84, will replace Byrd as chairman of the Appropriations Committee, which reviews more than $1 trillion in federal expenditures annually. The committee's chairman has the power to bring special projects to his home state, and has the final word on other senators' project requests.
Byrd said Inouye "is my friend. He is a genuine American hero. He will be a skillful and fair chairman of the Appropriations Committee because he is a man of outstanding character and great wisdom."
Over the years, Byrd played a key role in sending billions of dollars back to the Mountain State for special projects to fund university medical centers, improve highways, expand airports and build flood-control dams.
Bringing home the bacon
Recently, Byrd has sent about $500 million a year in "earmarks" back to West Virginia each year, according to Jesse Jacobs, a Byrd spokesman.
"Because of about two-dozen federal facilities the senator has worked to put in West Virginia, another $1 billion in federal funds flows into the state annually to sustain those facilities," Jacobs said Friday.
Those facilities include the FBI Criminal Justice Information Center in Clarksburg, the Marshall University Forensic Science Center in Huntington, the Robert C. Byrd Health Sciences Center at West Virginia University in Morgantown, the IRS processing center in Martinsburg and a Fish and Wildlife Service Training Center in Harpers Ferry.
On Friday, Byrd's office announced that a regional Veterans Affairs data center will be built in Martinsburg. The contract to build the center was for $32 million.
Marshall University President Stephen J. Kopp said Byrd has played a central role in "delivering high-quality advances in technology-based medical services, like our new biotechnology center that allows us to advance research and help create new businesses.
"Pick your favorite infrastructure project anywhere in West Virginia. You will probably find Senator Byrd had some role in its creation. His service in the Senate has been extremely valuable."
Kopp also admires Byrd for "his willingness to take positions that are not always popular, like his opposition to the Iraq war.
"I regard him as the consummate statesman," Kopp said. "He has stood up for what he believes in, even when it meant standing alone."
Certainly, not everyone has agreed with Byrd and his largesse toward his home state. Groups opposed to "pork barrel" spending have labeled Byrd "The Prince of Pork."
Grover Norquist, leader of the group Americans for Tax Reform and a longtime critic of earmarks and powerful congressional leaders, believes Byrd stayed at the committee's helm too long.
"We will be trying to get the Republican caucuses to support term limits on Appropriations Committee membership in the House and the Senate to six years," Norquist said Friday. "Being a committee chair gives you an exorbitant amount of power being on the committee that hands out the money."
Declining health
Byrd's advancing age and health problems have taken their toll. He usually appears in public in a wheelchair.
For years, some Democratic leaders have explored the possibility of moving Byrd aside. The latest rumors came last week, when the political newspaper Politico reported that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., wanted to move Byrd out of the Appropriations Committee chairmanship.
Byrd reacted angrily. "I am disappointed that, according to press accounts, the majority leader is talking to others about the chairmanship of the Senate Appropriations Committee," he said in a statement. "This is the sort of Washington backroom gossip which ill serves the Democratic Party in a year when Democratic unity should be paramount."
Afterward, Inouye said he would not have agreed to become committee chairman if Reid had forced Byrd to resign.
"Yes, someday I would like to be chairman of the Appropriations Committee, but not at the expense of having someone arbitrarily told to step aside," Inouye said in a story reported by Richard Borreca of the Honolulu News-Star.
During a news conference in Honolulu last week, Borreca said, Inouye also told reporters that if he became chairman, "Hawaii would look a little bigger on the map."
On Friday, Byrd said he hopes to continue serving on the Appropriations Committee and chairing its homeland security subcommittee after Barack Obama becomes president.
As he often does, Byrd quoted the Bible, in this case Ecclesiastes: "To everything there is a season and a time for every purpose under heaven."
Byrd added, "I thank the people of West Virginia for continuing to put their faith in me. I thank God for the long life He has granted me and for the opportunity He has given me to assist this great country through long service in this magnificent institution, the United States Senate."
What they're saying about Sen. Byrd
Reactions to Sen. Robert C. Byrd's resignation of the Senate Appropriations Committee chairmanship:
# Sen. Jay Rockefeller: Byrd is "an absolute giant of the Senate. He is a living legend whose 50 years of dedicated and passionate service on the Appropriations Committee has been invaluable to our country and our state. He is the conscience of the Senate, the guardian of our Constitution. And to all of us in West Virginia - he is our hero."
# Rep. Nick J. Rahall: "Titles, schmitles, no matter what his title, Senator Byrd has always been, and will continue to be, a force to be reckoned with in the United States Senate. Sen. Byrd remains in a position of power, and I look forward to many more years of his hard work for West Virginia and the nation as a guiding force in the Senate."
# Rep. Alan B. Mollohan: "Byrd's decision to step down as chairman of the Appropriations Committee was exactly that - his decision, made for his reasons. I respect his decision, and I join all West Virginians in wishing him only the best." Mollohan said Byrd's political influence came "from two intangible qualities: his unmatched parliamentary abilities and the immense respect his colleagues in the Senate have for him."
# Rep. Shelley Moore Capito: "The dedication and leadership Senator Byrd brought to the Senate Appropriations Committee is legendary. He is a true servant of West Virginia, and I congratulate him on his distinguished service to our state and nation."
# Gov. Joe Manchin: "Senator Byrd certainly remains one of the most revered members of the United States Senate. I have no doubt that in this new chosen role he will not only continue to be a great partner to work with but he will also continue to spend his time and energy working on projects that will bring the most benefit to the state of West Virginia."
Hawaii's Inouye to head important Senate committee
CHARLESTON, W.Va. -- U.S. Sen. Robert C. Byrd, D-W.Va., announced Friday that on Jan. 6, he will step down as chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee - a position that allowed him to steer billions of federal dollars to West Virginia.
First elected to the Senate in 1958, Byrd is the longest-serving senator in American history. He chaired the powerful Appropriations Committee for 10 years and was Senate majority leader for 12 years.
In a news release, Byrd, who will be 91 on Nov. 20, said he decided to step down "only after much personal soul-searching, and after being sure of the substantial Democratic pickup of seats in the Senate.
"I am now confident that stepping aside as chairman will not adversely impact my home state of West Virginia," he said.
Sen. Daniel Inouye, D-Hawaii, 84, will replace Byrd as chairman of the Appropriations Committee, which reviews more than $1 trillion in federal expenditures annually. The committee's chairman has the power to bring special projects to his home state, and has the final word on other senators' project requests.
Byrd said Inouye "is my friend. He is a genuine American hero. He will be a skillful and fair chairman of the Appropriations Committee because he is a man of outstanding character and great wisdom."
Over the years, Byrd played a key role in sending billions of dollars back to the Mountain State for special projects to fund university medical centers, improve highways, expand airports and build flood-control dams.
Bringing home the bacon
Recently, Byrd has sent about $500 million a year in "earmarks" back to West Virginia each year, according to Jesse Jacobs, a Byrd spokesman.
"Because of about two-dozen federal facilities the senator has worked to put in West Virginia, another $1 billion in federal funds flows into the state annually to sustain those facilities," Jacobs said Friday.
Those facilities include the FBI Criminal Justice Information Center in Clarksburg, the Marshall University Forensic Science Center in Huntington, the Robert C. Byrd Health Sciences Center at West Virginia University in Morgantown, the IRS processing center in Martinsburg and a Fish and Wildlife Service Training Center in Harpers Ferry.
On Friday, Byrd's office announced that a regional Veterans Affairs data center will be built in Martinsburg. The contract to build the center was for $32 million.
Marshall University President Stephen J. Kopp said Byrd has played a central role in "delivering high-quality advances in technology-based medical services, like our new biotechnology center that allows us to advance research and help create new businesses.
"Pick your favorite infrastructure project anywhere in West Virginia. You will probably find Senator Byrd had some role in its creation. His service in the Senate has been extremely valuable."
Kopp also admires Byrd for "his willingness to take positions that are not always popular, like his opposition to the Iraq war.
"I regard him as the consummate statesman," Kopp said. "He has stood up for what he believes in, even when it meant standing alone."
Certainly, not everyone has agreed with Byrd and his largesse toward his home state. Groups opposed to "pork barrel" spending have labeled Byrd "The Prince of Pork."
Grover Norquist, leader of the group Americans for Tax Reform and a longtime critic of earmarks and powerful congressional leaders, believes Byrd stayed at the committee's helm too long.
"We will be trying to get the Republican caucuses to support term limits on Appropriations Committee membership in the House and the Senate to six years," Norquist said Friday. "Being a committee chair gives you an exorbitant amount of power being on the committee that hands out the money."
Declining health
Byrd's advancing age and health problems have taken their toll. He usually appears in public in a wheelchair.
For years, some Democratic leaders have explored the possibility of moving Byrd aside. The latest rumors came last week, when the political newspaper Politico reported that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., wanted to move Byrd out of the Appropriations Committee chairmanship.
Byrd reacted angrily. "I am disappointed that, according to press accounts, the majority leader is talking to others about the chairmanship of the Senate Appropriations Committee," he said in a statement. "This is the sort of Washington backroom gossip which ill serves the Democratic Party in a year when Democratic unity should be paramount."
Afterward, Inouye said he would not have agreed to become committee chairman if Reid had forced Byrd to resign.
"Yes, someday I would like to be chairman of the Appropriations Committee, but not at the expense of having someone arbitrarily told to step aside," Inouye said in a story reported by Richard Borreca of the Honolulu News-Star.
During a news conference in Honolulu last week, Borreca said, Inouye also told reporters that if he became chairman, "Hawaii would look a little bigger on the map."
On Friday, Byrd said he hopes to continue serving on the Appropriations Committee and chairing its homeland security subcommittee after Barack Obama becomes president.
As he often does, Byrd quoted the Bible, in this case Ecclesiastes: "To everything there is a season and a time for every purpose under heaven."
Byrd added, "I thank the people of West Virginia for continuing to put their faith in me. I thank God for the long life He has granted me and for the opportunity He has given me to assist this great country through long service in this magnificent institution, the United States Senate."
What they're saying about Sen. Byrd
Reactions to Sen. Robert C. Byrd's resignation of the Senate Appropriations Committee chairmanship:
# Sen. Jay Rockefeller: Byrd is "an absolute giant of the Senate. He is a living legend whose 50 years of dedicated and passionate service on the Appropriations Committee has been invaluable to our country and our state. He is the conscience of the Senate, the guardian of our Constitution. And to all of us in West Virginia - he is our hero."
# Rep. Nick J. Rahall: "Titles, schmitles, no matter what his title, Senator Byrd has always been, and will continue to be, a force to be reckoned with in the United States Senate. Sen. Byrd remains in a position of power, and I look forward to many more years of his hard work for West Virginia and the nation as a guiding force in the Senate."
# Rep. Alan B. Mollohan: "Byrd's decision to step down as chairman of the Appropriations Committee was exactly that - his decision, made for his reasons. I respect his decision, and I join all West Virginians in wishing him only the best." Mollohan said Byrd's political influence came "from two intangible qualities: his unmatched parliamentary abilities and the immense respect his colleagues in the Senate have for him."
# Rep. Shelley Moore Capito: "The dedication and leadership Senator Byrd brought to the Senate Appropriations Committee is legendary. He is a true servant of West Virginia, and I congratulate him on his distinguished service to our state and nation."
# Gov. Joe Manchin: "Senator Byrd certainly remains one of the most revered members of the United States Senate. I have no doubt that in this new chosen role he will not only continue to be a great partner to work with but he will also continue to spend his time and energy working on projects that will bring the most benefit to the state of West Virginia."

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Wait, but I thought Senator Byrd was actually kept alive by visiting the Robert C. Byrd Hospital and Spa and being dunked upside down in a giant vat for Federal Subsidies to leech away the age. What is he going to do now?
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Inouye's no better, being best friends with Stevens. Being near money and being a politician appears to corrupt someone inexorably, and Byrd is so old he's had like, a lifetime or two near that corrupting source.
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One more "first thing" President Obama needs to get cracking on: the Line-Item Veto.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!
If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!!
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Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!
If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!!
Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!
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Same as prior. Run down GOPers in his wheelchair.Gil Hamilton wrote:Wait, but I thought Senator Byrd was actually kept alive by visiting the Robert C. Byrd Hospital and Spa and being dunked upside down in a giant vat for Federal Subsidies to leech away the age. What is he going to do now?
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Yeah, good luck on that one, Grover. The GOP caucus doesn't have the power to get something like this rammed through committee, nevermind getting it onto the Senate floor. Also, since they anticipate (hope) to regain power, they're not going to curtail one of the primary mechanisms of party power available in the Senate.Grover Norquist, leader of the group Americans for Tax Reform and a longtime critic of earmarks and powerful congressional leaders, believes Byrd stayed at the committee's helm too long.
"We will be trying to get the Republican caucuses to support term limits on Appropriations Committee membership in the House and the Senate to six years," Norquist said Friday. "Being a committee chair gives you an exorbitant amount of power being on the committee that hands out the money."
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SirNitram wrote:Same as prior. Run down GOPers in his wheelchair.Gil Hamilton wrote:Wait, but I thought Senator Byrd was actually kept alive by visiting the Robert C. Byrd Hospital and Spa and being dunked upside down in a giant vat for Federal Subsidies to leech away the age. What is he going to do now?
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No Bear if you knew anything about West Virgina you'd know the spikes are not just for lacerating passerby but serve a valid purpose to held him negotiate slick roads. And second his chair is only 600 pounds and I'll have you know as a good son of West Virgina his chair is coal powered thank you.The Yosemite Bear wrote:
erm is that the spiked wheel chair that weighs 2000 pounds and runs on deseil
On to another topic this calls for another reminder of how much better government would be with term limits. I still say twelve years is about right, twelve years(Six terms) as a Representative, two terms as a Senator or three terms as the President. If you play your cards exactly right the most you can do is thirty six years but one has to win three Presidency to manage that, no easy feat. Instead the best you can do is twenty four years if you stay the full twelve as a rep.
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Legislative term limits, in the places they've been put into practice, have had the practical effect of shifting even more power into the hands of lobbyist, bureaucrats, and other capital city lifers. They're one of those ideas that sound good on paper, but are terrible in real life. There's already a mechanism in place to remove ineffective legislators (indeed, it seems to me that most term limits proposals are actually attempts to remove other people's legislators--if the voters of West Virginia won't replace Robert Byrd, we'll just do it for them).

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I find it surprising that endorsement for the power of Line-Item Veto would come from someone who was more than a little disturbed by the accumulation of power in the Bush Executive relative to other branches of government.One more "first thing" President Obama needs to get cracking on: the Line-Item Veto.
The Line-Item Veto would bolster the powers of the presidency enormously, and is especially dangerous when a friendly majority rules in Congress.
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Axis Kast wrote:I find it surprising that endorsement for the power of Line-Item Veto would come from someone who was more than a little disturbed by the accumulation of power in the Bush Executive relative to other branches of government.One more "first thing" President Obama needs to get cracking on: the Line-Item Veto.
The Line-Item Veto would bolster the powers of the presidency enormously, and is especially dangerous when a friendly majority rules in Congress.
I would agree if it wasn't for the fact most legislation wasn't a solid piece and rather a hodge podge of items and issues tacked together. The ability to let the 'freedom for seals act' to pass without having a 50 billion package tacked on for the states senator to build a new monument to his glory, would clean up a bit of what's wrong in Washington.
As it is, politicians strut around decrying that their opponents voted yes or no on some bill that the plebes say...why, that sounded like a good idea, when in fact they voted yes or no on a side issue rammed into the bill.
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That's how it works, Kast: you start with a bill no one could argue with, like "a billion dollars to send orphans to school" and tack on crap like "...and also, 100 million dollars for a bridge to nowhere in my home district." Then, when some political rival votes NO on the bill because of the wasteful bridge to nowhere, you can then jump on them next election by saying "he voted 'no' on money for orphans!"
The line-item veto would allow the orphan funding to pass, while canceling the line about bridges to nowhere in Congressman Snuffy's home district back in Dogpatch. Oddly enough, the last time we had a President with line-item veto authority was during the Clinton Administration-- when somehow that "tax and spend socialist liberal commie" gave us a balanced budget and a surplus... huh. Whaddaya know.
The line-item veto would allow the orphan funding to pass, while canceling the line about bridges to nowhere in Congressman Snuffy's home district back in Dogpatch. Oddly enough, the last time we had a President with line-item veto authority was during the Clinton Administration-- when somehow that "tax and spend socialist liberal commie" gave us a balanced budget and a surplus... huh. Whaddaya know.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!
If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!!
Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!
If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!!
Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!
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Clinton had a line-item veto for about 20 minutes before SCOTUS took it away. It had absolutely no part in the creation of the balanced budget or the surplus. The line-item veto is another terrible idea that seems good on the surface. It effectively removes all of Congress's leverage to pass legislation the president doesn't like without a supermajority in both houses, by giving the president the ability to pick and chose which sections of a law actually pass (or at least, which get funded, which amounts to the same thing). There are better mechanisms for keeping pork under control, like the numerous amendments to state constitutions that require that amendments to bills have something to do with the bill itself.Coyote wrote:That's how it works, Kast: you start with a bill no one could argue with, like "a billion dollars to send orphans to school" and tack on crap like "...and also, 100 million dollars for a bridge to nowhere in my home district." Then, when some political rival votes NO on the bill because of the wasteful bridge to nowhere, you can then jump on them next election by saying "he voted 'no' on money for orphans!"
The line-item veto would allow the orphan funding to pass, while canceling the line about bridges to nowhere in Congressman Snuffy's home district back in Dogpatch. Oddly enough, the last time we had a President with line-item veto authority was during the Clinton Administration-- when somehow that "tax and spend socialist liberal commie" gave us a balanced budget and a surplus... huh. Whaddaya know.

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