This shit should be common sense.

Bug-Eyed Earl · Post by **Bug-Eyed Earl** » 2003-01-30 11:48pm

The sheer amount of power conveyed in a Star Wars battle makes Star Trek look like nothing. And that's just from watching- other than a few minutes of reading for those who don't get that SW lasers aren't true lasers, it all should be common sense. But we still get the Darkstars of the world who can't accept it. really, there should be no need for this forum other than personal enjpyment, not passionate, insane debates that make no sense on the Trekkie's side.

Wouldn't you agree?

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2003-01-31 06:22am

Most Trekkies who still think ST can win are so deluded it isn't funny. To them, a thousand to one speed, industrial, numerical, and firepower advantage are meaningless. In their minds ST would win because the Federation is supposedly smart and has better tactics.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-01-31 12:38pm

[rabid trekkie]All hail the invincible power of Treknobabble![/rabid trekkie]

They think if they can spread enough bullshit, no noe will notice that their argument makes no sense. Its simply a distraction from the real issues.

Sektor31 · Post by **Sektor31** » 2003-01-31 12:56pm

If you put Trek ships in the Wars universe Trek dies.
If you put Wars ships in the Trek universe Wars dies.

Trek's fantasy physics would crush Wars ships.
Wars multigigaton weapons would crush Trek ships.

Ted C · Post by **Ted C** » 2003-01-31 01:29pm

Sektor31 wrote:If you put Trek ships in the Wars universe Trek dies.
If you put Wars ships in the Trek universe Wars dies.

Trek's fantasy physics would crush Wars ships.
Wars multigigaton weapons would crush Trek ships.

Trek physics probably wouldn't crush SW ships; SW ships are pretty resilient.

Trek ships, on the other hand, couldn't survive without Trek physics, since they will immediately fall apart if their technobabble fields (like ever-popular Structural Integrity Field) were to fail. Without all their subspace gizmos, Trek ships are junk.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-01-31 01:43pm

Hm maybe Star Wars ships wouldn't be able to survive all the ship-sized singularities out there. Now how weird is that?

Or the crack in the event horizon's ass.

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2003-01-31 03:22pm

Ted C wrote:
Sektor31 wrote:If you put Trek ships in the Wars universe Trek dies.
If you put Wars ships in the Trek universe Wars dies.

Trek's fantasy physics would crush Wars ships.
Wars multigigaton weapons would crush Trek ships.
Trek physics probably wouldn't crush SW ships; SW ships are pretty resilient.

Trek ships, on the other hand, couldn't survive without Trek physics, since they will immediately fall apart if their technobabble fields (like ever-popular Structural Integrity Field) were to fail. Without all their subspace gizmos, Trek ships are junk.

Trek ships are STILL junk with all their subspace gizmos!!

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2003-01-31 03:49pm

When I first came across this site (Spanky showed it to me early in highschool), I thought the idea of objectively comparing the technology levels of Star Wars and Star Trek by evidence was, though interesting and refreshingly intelligent by most internet debate standards, was pretty obvious. I mean, who else wouldn't admit that a 25,000 year-old spacefaring civilization spanning millions of worlds had better technology than one that had only been in space for 400 and had <200 planets, except a lowly, rabid trekkie whose only line of reasoning is 'favorite show>other show'?

Other than what was eventually covered in the new "SW vs ST in five minutes" page, I never really saw a use to arguing the subject any further than the obvious. Discussing minor technical details in a non-versus mannor is one thing, but the subject as a whole is such a dead horse, and I feel most people simply set it up like an arena battle just for their own unenlightening entertainment.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-01-31 05:55pm

Sektor31 wrote:If you put Trek ships in the Wars universe Trek dies.
If you put Wars ships in the Trek universe Wars dies.

Trek's fantasy physics would crush Wars ships.
Wars multigigaton weapons would crush Trek ships.

Wars ships aren't going to go looking around for all these fantasy physics phenomena. They'll never encounter them.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-02-01 01:09am

Lucas should put into episode three a quote where someone says "nuclear disruptors? those wont hurt us!" or something to jab the trekkie >D

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-02-01 04:42am

I'm waiting for B&B to put in something along those lines where they meet something with weapons akin to an ISD.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-02-01 02:35pm

They need to put some chlorine in the Trekkie's gene pool.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-02-02 08:55pm

Why is common sense called common if it isn't?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-02 08:56pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Why is common sense called common if it isn't?

Common sense is indeed common; it's just not good for anything. Einstein had a very uncommon sense. Now that is worth something.

Singular Quartet · Post by **Singular Quartet** » 2003-02-03 12:38am

Darth Wong wrote:
Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Why is common sense called common if it isn't?
Common sense is indeed common; it's just not good for anything. Einstein had a very uncommon sense. Now that is worth something.

Common sense? What's that?

Lord Sander · Post by **Lord Sander** » 2003-02-03 07:37am

Singuler Quartet wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Why is common sense called common if it isn't?
Common sense is indeed common; it's just not good for anything. Einstein had a very uncommon sense. Now that is worth something.
Common sense? What's that?

“Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen”
- Albert Einstein

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-02-03 08:22pm

kojikun wrote:Lucas should put into episode three a quote where someone says "nuclear disruptors? those wont hurt us!" or something to jab the trekkie >D

That would be too obvious. I'd rather have something like the orbital bombardment fans have eagerly waited for. Anyway, only the most deluded Trekkies think hyperdrive in olny 1.5c, or ST ships are immune to lasers, and although DarkStar doesn't say stuff like that, he brings up claims that are quite absurd (Such as a claim that the DS can olny generate 23.5 gigatons in one day, and that is enough to destroy a planet), and makes it even worse by never changing his views (If all rabid Trekkies were like him, we'd still have people saying the Enterprise's nav. deflectors would survive the DS superlaser)