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But he says he's not comparing him to Hitler at all despite making several references to said Hitler like traits.
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WASHINGTON — A Republican congressman from Georgia said Monday he fears that President-elect Obama will establish a Gestapo-like security force to impose a Marxist dictatorship.

"It may sound a bit crazy and off base, but the thing is, he's the one who proposed this national security force," Rep. Paul Broun said of Obama in an interview Monday with The Associated Press. "I'm just trying to bring attention to the fact that we may _ may not, I hope not _ but we may have a problem with that type of philosophy of radical socialism or Marxism."

Broun cited a July speech by Obama that has circulated on the Internet in which the then-Democratic presidential candidate called for a civilian force to take some of the national security burden off the military.

"That's exactly what Hitler did in Nazi Germany and it's exactly what the Soviet Union did," Broun said. "When he's proposing to have a national security force that's answering to him, that is as strong as the U.S. military, he's showing me signs of being Marxist."

Obama's comments about a national security force came during a speech in Colorado in which he called for expanding the nation's foreign service.

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," Obama said in July. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

The Obama transition team declined to comment on Broun's remarks. But spokesman Tommy Vietor said Obama was referring in the speech to a proposal for a civilian reserve corps that could handle postwar reconstruction efforts such as rebuilding infrastructure _ an idea endorsed by the Bush administration.

Broun said he believes Obama would move to ban gun ownership if he does build a national security force.

Obama has said he respects the Second Amendment right to bear arms and favors "common sense" gun laws. Gun rights advocates interpret that as meaning he'll at least enact curbs on ownership of assault weapons and concealed weapons. As an Illinois state lawmaker, Obama supported a ban on semiautomatic weapons and tighter restrictions on firearms generally.

"We can't be lulled into complacency," Broun said. "You have to remember that Adolf Hitler was elected in a democratic Germany. I'm not comparing him to Adolf Hitler. What I'm saying is there is the potential of going down that road."
I love these guys. For one Obama=Hitler because he wants the equivalent of a universe service model for 18-24 year olds(Except it only applies if you want to go to collage and if you want the tax break) and from this Broun considers this Obama founding a second SA. He says he'll ban guns because Obama says he will support "sensible" gun legislation. On that note I don't know if Obama is going to be "sensible" at all or just populist, we shall see.

In the mean time, this guy is fing nuts.

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That stupid Obama! it's almost like he wants to create some kind of nasty Department to enforce the Security of our Homeland!
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Sometimes I think that many House members are the village idiot that some congressional district elected so that they were Washington's problem for a few years.
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This guy isn't some isolated loon. He was probably elected because the sort of things he says actually resonated with his constituents.
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Behold the Strawman! Equating O with Hitler, number one, is just asinine on its face, and two, is unsupported because despite his stated positions, he hasn't done anything yet! Talk about jumping the gun.

If this guy knew his facts a little better, he'd recognize that the mandatory draft registration is a much closer analogue to Hitler's Youth Corp. Now, if Obama's proposed civilian national security force starts issuing brown uniforms and Walther P38s, I'll get just a leeeetle bit wary. :wink:
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Obama? Marxist? If only America could actually see that he's right wing.
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The Vortex Empire wrote:Obama? Marxist? If only America could actually see that he's right wing.
No, he is both a member of the extreme left (marxist) and extreme right wing (fascist) signs of america. Further proof that Obama is Palpatine incarnate, since there is no way an ordinary human being could accomplish that.

Or it could be that Broun is one of many ignorant americans who have no clue what Marxism or Fascism means other than "ZOMG! EVIL111".
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Darth Wong wrote:This guy isn't some isolated loon. He was probably elected because the sort of things he says actually resonated with his constituents.
That scares me to no end how the people we elect can say such stuff and find people who will eat it up. It makes me wonder how many psychopaths we have in the US or how many of them are in office. We need better background checks for people serving in public office.
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Someone this stupid who is reliant on public approval to succeed boggles the mind. Obama is Hitler and the nazis were Marxists? That's why the Marxists were practically public enemy number one until they got around to exterminating jews. I can only hope he goes further off the sanity rails and his own party rejects him.
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TheLegion wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:This guy isn't some isolated loon. He was probably elected because the sort of things he says actually resonated with his constituents.
That scares me to no end how the people we elect can say such stuff and find people who will eat it up. It makes me wonder how many psychopaths we have in the US or how many of them are in office. We need better background checks for people serving in public office.
Don't worry- our politicians only mirror the populace they serve. And only a third (?) of the people are nuts.
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The Vortex Empire wrote:Obama? Marxist? If only America could actually see that he's right wing.
No, he is both a member of the extreme left (marxist) and extreme right wing (fascist) signs of america. Further proof that Obama is Palpatine incarnate, since there is no way an ordinary human being could accomplish that.

Or it could be that Broun is one of many ignorant americans who have no clue what Marxism or Fascism means other than "ZOMG! EVIL111".
Isn't Palpatine only a fascist?
"I'm just trying to bring attention to the fact that we may _ may not, I hope not _ but we may have a problem with that type of philosophy of radical socialism or Marxism."
Reminds me a review of Empire. "Some people said that Card is trying to alert us to the danger... sort of like the homeless man warning us about the mole people".
Broun cited a July speech by Obama that has circulated on the Internet in which the then-Democratic presidential candidate called for a civilian force to take some of the national security burden off the military.

"That's exactly what Hitler did in Nazi Germany and it's exactly what the Soviet Union did," Broun said. "When he's proposing to have a national security force that's answering to him, that is as strong as the U.S. military, he's showing me signs of being Marxist."
Wasn't there a previous mention on the board that the war fighting force and the occupation forces should be two separate forces?
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TheLegion wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:This guy isn't some isolated loon. He was probably elected because the sort of things he says actually resonated with his constituents.
That scares me to no end how the people we elect can say such stuff and find people who will eat it up. It makes me wonder how many psychopaths we have in the US or how many of them are in office. We need better background checks for people serving in public office.
My first reaction was to think that he's probably from one of the many gerrymandered districts designed to produce a solid winner for a party, year after year (in this case, Republicans). In those districts, the real contest tends to be in the party primary - and as usually only the most devoted party members actually show up for the primary, it becomes a race to see who can pander the most to the prejudices of their party base.

However, apparently his district (the 10th Georgia Congressional) contains areas like the University of Georgia, which should moderate the base of his voting area (universities and university students tend to trend Democratic). Perhaps not, though. Does anyone live in that area on this board (i.e., around Athens, Georgia)?
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I went to Georgia Tech, and Tech alumni seem to be tilted toward the conservative side.

I can only imagine that UGA is more right leaning than GT.
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I'm not so sure, though. Here is a relevant article about Broun from when he won the seat in a special election last year:
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Georgia Republican Paul Broun, en route to become the newest member of the U.S. House on Wednesday, says he never lost confidence despite the underdog label he wore throughout his special election contest to succeed the late Republican Rep. Charlie Norwood.

But Broun — a physician who had lost three earlier attempts for Congress more than a decade ago — doesn’t deny that his narrow July 17 win over a fellow Republican, former state Sen. Jim Whitehead, was something of an upset.

“I really thought all along that we could and would win this election if we pulled all the pieces together,” Broun told CQPolitics.com in an interview last week after the special election runoff, but conceded “we were fighting a tremendous mountain.”

Whitehead — a longtime ally of Norwood, who died of cancer Feb. 13 — had been seen as the front-runner from the moment he entered the race, obtaining most of the endorsements from the Republican establishment and building a huge fundraising lead over his opponents. He finished first in the June 19 special election primary, in which candidates of all parties ran on a single ballot, with 44 percent of the vote; Broun, with 21 percent, barely edged Democrat James Marlow for the second runoff position.

Yet four weeks later, Broun edged Whitehead by 394 votes of 46,664 cast, 50.4 percent to 49.6 percent. The outcome did not become official until a week after the election: Whitehead, entitled under state law to request a recount because the margin of victory was less than 1 percentage point, initially said he was likely to do so. But he reversed himself late Tuesday, saying he had learned a recount could take as much as a week and he did not want to further delay representation in a district that was without a congressman for more than five months.

Though Broun had never served in political office before, his name was familiar to some district residents: His late father, Paul Broun, served as a conservative Democratic state senator for 38 years and a number of public places in the district are named for him.

The younger Broun has long held congressional aspirations, which he said stems from what he called voluntary work defending hunters’ rights for Safari Club International. He waged three unsuccessful bids for Congress, losing to Democratic Rep. Richard Ray in 1990, waging an unsuccessful bid for a 1992 U.S. House nomination in the same western Georgia district, and receiving a minuscule vote share in an unsuccessful 1996 U.S. Senate primary bid.

Like Norwood, who was a dentist, Broun’s life work has been in the medical field. Broun has been a physician since 1971 and expressed pride that his practice is almost exclusively made up of house calls.

Broun believes that Democratic voters played a role in his win, but stressed he won’t be “selling out” his conservative principles because of it. Broun regards himself as a strong constitutionalist who places importance on limited government and low taxes. He pledged during his campaign to apply a “4-Way Test” to all legislation in Congress bills must be constitutional and “a proper function of government”, morally correct, necessary and affordable.

He took hardline positions against illegal immigration and taxes during the campaign and strongly defended property rights.

But Broun said national security should be the number one issue for all lawmakers. Broun, a former Marine, supports the war in Iraq but said he recognizes the demands it has placed on troops.

“The military’s been cut into the muscle and bone and we need to rebuild it so that we don’t have to send [the same] troops to Iraq three times in four years,” Broun said. “We need to do the things necessary to keep our military fighting force the world’s best.”

Broun said that House Republican officials have indicated he will be assigned to the Homeland Security Committee as well as the Science and Technology Committee, positions he believes will allow him to work on national and local issues and will fit his background.

As he heads to Capitol Hill, Broun claims to harbor no ill will toward the Republican lawmakers who supported his favored opponent, and can be expected to side with most members of his party on many issues. But at the same time, Broun is conscious of what it might take to succeed in a Congress in which Democrats hold the majority.

“I’m eager to come to the Hill to work with Democrats as well as Republicans,” Broun said. “Like most people in this country, I hate the partisanship and the political bickering.”

An analysis of the returns showed a strongly regional flavor to Broun’s win in northeastern Georgia’s sprawling 10th Congressional District. Broun’s utterly dominating performance in his home base of populous Clarke County, where he took about 90 percent of the runoff vote, offset Whitehead’s only slightly less overpowering edge in his base in counties surrounding the hometown of Augusta that he had shared with the late Norwood.

Clarke County is the least conservative area of the district, as it is home to the city of Athens and its academic community at the University of Georgia; Clarke went strongly to Democrat Marlow in the free-for-all special election primary.


Yet there appears to be virtually no ideological content to Broun’s supremacy over Whitehead there, as both Republican finalists voiced strongly conservative views during the campaign. Rather, Broun prevailed there because he was as close as the region came to a “favorite son” candidate — and Whitehead was viewed as almost going out of his way to snub Clarke County.

Many Athens residents, including the editorial board of the city’s Banner-Herald newspaper, were angered when Whitehead declined to appear at a special election candidates’ debate at the Athens Press Club. They also took offense to comments Whitehead made in 2004, in what he later defended as a joke, suggesting that the University of Georgia was a liberal bastion that should be eliminated — save for the football team on which he played when he was a student there.


The Athens Banner-Herald editorial board, though highly unenthusiastic about Broun, nonetheless encouraged readers to vote for him to send a message to Whitehead.

Broun, though, disagrees with the characterization of the race as a regional showdown.

“To me, this was not an Athens versus Augusta race,” Broun said. “It was a race of status quo versus somebody who’s going to offer positive change for the people.” Broun said voters were wary of an “anointed candidate” and a party he believes was “trying to have a coronation instead of an election.”
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A lot of people must've missed the "Commie-Nazi" party moniker next to Obama's name when they voted a week ago.
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Thanas wrote:
The Vortex Empire wrote:Obama? Marxist? If only America could actually see that he's right wing.
No, he is both a member of the extreme left (marxist) and extreme right wing (fascist) signs of america. Further proof that Obama is Palpatine incarnate, since there is no way an ordinary human being could accomplish that.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:A lot of people must've missed the "Commie-Nazi" party moniker next to Obama's name when they voted a week ago.
Communists and Facists have never really learned to get along. They have very different ideas about how best to keep their populations afraid and complacent. They tend to use different tactics to get the same goal-we are going to find you if and when you decide we aren't the benevolent liberators we say we are. Oppression has no real attempt at originality as it's all been done before. Same thing for derranged veiws of a few mistaken individuals like this one elected straightjacket factory.
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TheLegion wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:A lot of people must've missed the "Commie-Nazi" party moniker next to Obama's name when they voted a week ago.
Communists and Facists have never really learned to get along. They have very different ideas about how best to keep their populations afraid and complacent. They tend to use different tactics to get the same goal-we are going to find you if and when you decide we aren't the benevolent liberators we say we are. Oppression has no real attempt at originality as it's all been done before. Same thing for derranged veiws of a few mistaken individuals like this one elected straightjacket factory.
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Samuel wrote:
Thanas wrote:
The Vortex Empire wrote:Obama? Marxist? If only America could actually see that he's right wing.
No, he is both a member of the extreme left (marxist) and extreme right wing (fascist) signs of america. Further proof that Obama is Palpatine incarnate, since there is no way an ordinary human being could accomplish that.

Or it could be that Broun is one of many ignorant americans who have no clue what Marxism or Fascism means other than "ZOMG! EVIL111".
Isn't Palpatine only a fascist?
I was referring to the fact that Palpatine managed to head both movements who advocated a social agenda in his universe, namely the seperatists and the republic.
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Alright, here's the deal with the 10th district:

Athens/Clarke County is the "least conservative" area, partly because of the university there, BUT probably most of those more liberal students vote absentee for wherever they're from. That cuts out a large chunk of population.

As for the rest of it...you know when I tell those stories about that festering shithole of imbecility, knee-jerk Limbaugh conservatism to the point that they'd be parody if the people weren't serious, and every single redneck stereotype in existence? That region of Georgia? THAT IS THE 10th DISTRICT! I'm from (what's now) the 10th district. Heck, I lived almost in the exact geographical center of it. I can easily believe that those less-than-worthless inbred donkey-fuckers elected this idiot scumbag, no doubt because he's slightly more intelligent than them and was able to convince them of his credentials of being Just Like Them. These are the people that I'm always saying need to be burned with fire because Sherman never got to the area. I grew up with those people. They ARE that bad, only most of them aren't imaginative enough to think of "Obama = Hitler!!!11!" on their own, but now that their representative is saying it, a very large portion of them will be parroting it.

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Holy shit. I guess that clears some things up.

I suppose, then, that there's really no chance of this asshat getting knocked off in 2010, short of an even more conservative guy beating him in the Republican Party primary. Oh, for a competitive district . . .
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Guardsman Bass wrote:Holy shit. I guess that clears some things up.

I suppose, then, that there's really no chance of this asshat getting knocked off in 2010, short of an even more conservative guy beating him in the Republican Party primary. Oh, for a competitive district . . .
Nope. I mean, he's practically a carbon copy of the previous asshat, Charlie Norwood, except not as fat and greasy (I bet Broun can actually wear a belt to keep his pants up instead of having to use suspenders).
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"We can't be lulled into complacency," Broun said. "You have to remember that Adolf Hitler was elected in a democratic Germany. I'm not comparing him to Adolf Hitler. What I'm saying is there is the potential of going down that road."
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I hope no one's surprised. Shocked and disgusted, sure, but this is how the next four years will be.

And gun sales upticked.

Now, what are the probabilities there's now a gun owner whose mentally unhinged, feels he has nothing to lose, and hears this stuff regularly? You get enough gun owners, you will satisfy practically any minority as being present..
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SirNitram wrote:I hope no one's surprised. Shocked and disgusted, sure, but this is how the next four years will be.

And gun sales upticked.

Now, what are the probabilities there's now a gun owner whose mentally unhinged, feels he has nothing to lose, and hears this stuff regularly? You get enough gun owners, you will satisfy practically any minority as being present..
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SirNitram wrote:I hope no one's surprised. Shocked and disgusted, sure, but this is how the next four years will be.

And gun sales upticked.

Now, what are the probabilities there's now a gun owner whose mentally unhinged, feels he has nothing to lose, and hears this stuff regularly? You get enough gun owners, you will satisfy practically any minority as being present..
Wow, I'm glad I don't work for the secret Service. The next 8 years might be a little crazy. Any other candidate have two assassination attempts when on campaign?
Assassination attempt is dramatically overstating the case. The three chuckleheads in Denver had no realistic chance to get anywhere near Obama (and were arrested before he was even in town), and the skinheads in Tennessee had zero chance of successfully completing their plan. They were a danger to whichever high school they targeted, but not Obama.
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